Colt Mcfrye
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the drive to beat Miami was something (yes it was Miami,
Colt's performance playing Tennessee,
Colt demonstrated his ability to cram the ball into places against PITT the 2nd game,
here's the thing...he does none of that consistently. none of it...as you had to pull select moments over a 16-game season. the rest of those times, when he struggled, he struggled big. like throwing on the run to hillis in the endzone 15 yards short, only to have the ball picked off and go for a defensive TD kind of struggle.
we gave him a shot....he had 21 games, didn't show much, isn't gonna hurt the team financially....time to move on.
here's the thing...he does none of that consistently. none of it...as you had to pull select moments over a 16-game season. the rest of those times, when he struggled, he struggled big. like throwing on the run to hillis in the endzone 15 yards short, only to have the ball picked off and go for a defensive TD kind of struggle.
we gave him a shot....he had 21 games, didn't show much, isn't gonna hurt the team financially....time to move on.
I usually repectfully disagree, but this is wrong, he did not struggle "big" at all. over a 16 game season, you only pointed out a pick he threw that our offense couldn't tackle the cb after like 5 whiffs. playing tennessee, who killed us with big plays.
11 picks in a season is not bad by any means, and not one game did colt "struggle big". none. look back at his stats, its the offense he was trying to score with.
colts worse game was the one he got knocked out in, against PITT, he went 18-35 for 209 yds and 2 picks. that was when he "struggled big" i guess. he lost 14-3, struggling BIG.
His qb rating showed consistency all year.
70.1
97.3
71.5
79.3
75.7
59.0
83.0
79.0
97.5
92.2
67.2 these last 3 games are all division opponents. who defensively crushed the browns almost every drive.
63.0
46.0
So are you putting Colt in the same league as DA BQ CF and every other QB that has literally sucked for the browns?
Cause McCoy is different. I see it, tour2ma sees it, milktoxic sees it.i know others on this board see it too. Colt managed to not look terrible on a terrible offense. with a terrible coach calling it...
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I don't see how more talent around Colt is going to make him able to
1. Throw deep passes that don't wobble.
2. Throw deep passes receivers don't have to wait for.
3. Throw passes that lead his receivers to give them an opportunity to get yards after the catch.
4. Throw passes to the correct shoulder
Hell it's hard not to like the underdog goofy looking scrawny polite southern boy who is tough as balls- but it just ain't happening.
The only thing I ever seen from McCoy is when he completed the pass to Moore over Revis.
Your post makes it look like he did those things on every play, but he didn't.
sure he had a few wobbly balls some games, and there were some times he didnt hit some wrs in the right shoulder.
Colt did show signs of brilliance this year tho, the drive to beat Miami was something (yes it was Miami, but still, who jumped out of their seat screaming like a little girl when Momass came up with that?)
Colt's performance playing Tennessee, although losing to big plays, Colt went 40-61 and broke a Browns QB record(kosar's or sipe's?) for completions
Colt demonstrated his ability to cram the ball into places against PITT the 2nd game, til he was knocked out of course, but he did make some insane throws to recievers who werent even open.
He can scramble like a MF, and take broken plays and make them into a gain consistenly. How many times did a play break down and Colt scrambled to the right or left, finding a reception or taking it for a few yards himself?
Have you seen DTs and LBs try to catch him in the backfield? And 8 times out of 10 he literally sprints away from them, and they cant catch him? He's got some wheels once he's running for his life.
He is still, for as bad as our recieving core was, very smart with the football. The times he threw picks, they were only one a game.
Seeing Seneca play the last games reaffirmed my confidence in Colt also. A WCO veteran looked only slightly better than Colt who played with the WCO for only one year.
And learning an offense is apart of it also, which Colt needs more time to do.
Colt, with all the chips down last year, and with only Little, Cribbs, Norwood, and Hillis as guys who could even help the offense get CLOSE to scoring,he still tried to make something out of it, and that alone should give him one more year to show what he's got when everyone is on the same page.
Your post makes it look like he did those things on every play, but he didn't.
sure he had a few wobbly balls some games, and there were some times he didnt hit some wrs in the right shoulder.
Colt did show signs of brilliance this year tho, the drive to beat Miami was something (yes it was Miami, but still, who jumped out of their seat screaming like a little girl when Momass came up with that?)
Colt's performance playing Tennessee, although losing to big plays, Colt went 40-61 and broke a Browns QB record(kosar's or sipe's?) for completions
Colt demonstrated his ability to cram the ball into places against PITT the 2nd game, til he was knocked out of course, but he did make some insane throws to recievers who werent even open.
He can scramble like a MF, and take broken plays and make them into a gain consistenly. How many times did a play break down and Colt scrambled to the right or left, finding a reception or taking it for a few yards himself?
Have you seen DTs and LBs try to catch him in the backfield? And 8 times out of 10 he literally sprints away from them, and they cant catch him? He's got some wheels once he's running for his life.
He is still, for as bad as our recieving core was, very smart with the football. The times he threw picks, they were only one a game.
Seeing Seneca play the last games reaffirmed my confidence in Colt also. A WCO veteran looked only slightly better than Colt who played with the WCO for only one year.
And learning an offense is apart of it also, which Colt needs more time to do.
Colt, with all the chips down last year, and with only Little, Cribbs, Norwood, and Hillis as guys who could even help the offense get CLOSE to scoring,he still tried to make something out of it, and that alone should give him one more year to show what he's got when everyone is on the same page.
You fail to mention the Ravens game where their D Backs sat on Colt like cackling hyenas baiting him to throw.
Or the Houston game where he failed time after time to adjust protection against their blitzes,like he did all year long against every team. Or how every freaking team put eight in the box against us daring him to go downfield which he rarely even tried like a fourth quarter Lebron.
Yeah his QB rating showed consistency , it consistently fuckin sucked. And you compare Colt to Seneca which is a total fucking joke. A career backup as your point of reference is not setting the bar high my man.
And Wallace came in against the Cards and eluded a cornerback blitz and threw a laser with velocity to Little for a touchdown, a throw Colt will never,ever be able to make.
"All Truth Passes Through Three stages. First, It Is Ridiculed, Second It Is Violently Opposed, And Third, It Is Accepted As Self-Evident" ~Arthur Schopenhauer -
Your post makes it look like he did those things on every play, but he didn't.
sure he had a few wobbly balls some games, and there were some times he didnt hit some wrs in the right shoulder.
Colt did show signs of brilliance this year tho, the drive to beat Miami was something (yes it was Miami, but still, who jumped out of their seat screaming like a little girl when Momass came up with that?)
Colt's performance playing Tennessee, although losing to big plays, Colt went 40-61 and broke a Browns QB record(kosar's or sipe's?) for completions
Colt demonstrated his ability to cram the ball into places against PITT the 2nd game, til he was knocked out of course, but he did make some insane throws to recievers who werent even open.
He can scramble like a MF, and take broken plays and make them into a gain consistenly. How many times did a play break down and Colt scrambled to the right or left, finding a reception or taking it for a few yards himself?
Have you seen DTs and LBs try to catch him in the backfield? And 8 times out of 10 he literally sprints away from them, and they cant catch him? He's got some wheels once he's running for his life.
He is still, for as bad as our recieving core was, very smart with the football. The times he threw picks, they were only one a game.
Seeing Seneca play the last games reaffirmed my confidence in Colt also. A WCO veteran looked only slightly better than Colt who played with the WCO for only one year.
And learning an offense is apart of it also, which Colt needs more time to do.
Colt, with all the chips down last year, and with only Little, Cribbs, Norwood, and Hillis as guys who could even help the offense get CLOSE to scoring,he still tried to make something out of it, and that alone should give him one more year to show what he's got when everyone is on the same page.
You fail to mention the Ravens game where their D Backs sat on Colt like cackling hyenas baiting him to throw.
Or the Houston game where he failed time after time to adjust protection against their blitzes,like he did all year long against every team. Or how every freaking team put eight in the box against us daring him to go downfield which he rarely even tried like a fourth quarter Lebron.
Yeah his QB rating showed consistency , it consistently fuckin sucked. And you compare Colt to Seneca which is a total fucking joke. A career backup as your point of reference is not setting the bar high my man.
And Wallace came in against the Cards and eluded a cornerback blitz and threw a laser with velocity to Little for a touchdown, a throw Colt will never,ever be able to make.
You fail to mention the Ravens game where their D Backs sat on Colt like cackling hyenas baiting him to throw.
Or the Houston game where he failed time after time to adjust protection against their blitzes,like he did all year long against every team. Or how every freaking team put eight in the box against us daring him to go downfield which he rarely even tried like a fourth quarter Lebron.
Yeah his QB rating showed consistency , it consistently fuckin sucked. And you compare Colt to Seneca which is a total fucking joke. A career backup as your point of reference is not setting the bar high my man.
And Wallace came in against the Cards and eluded a cornerback blitz and threw a laser with velocity to Little for a touchdown, a throw Colt will never,ever be able to make.
you've got to be one of the biggest dolts to post on this board.
answer me this batman: RG3 would have done better with the same squad, schedule, no off season, new coach and new system?
i already know your answer which means you're a fuckin liar.
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I like Colt and wish he were the guy. I'm not totally giving up on him I think he deserves a chance to compete for the job. But to go into next season handing him over the job is ridiculous, it's basically giving him another "test year" to see if he is the guy. I thought 2011 was the test year? Oh he sucked last season, DO OVER !
I think RG3 has a higher ceiling than Colt does without question.
"All Truth Passes Through Three stages. First, It Is Ridiculed, Second It Is Violently Opposed, And Third, It Is Accepted As Self-Evident" ~Arthur Schopenhauer -
Your post makes it look like he did those things on every play, but he didn't.
sure he had a few wobbly balls some games, and there were some times he didnt hit some wrs in the right shoulder.
Colt did show signs of brilliance this year tho, the drive to beat Miami was something (yes it was Miami, but still, who jumped out of their seat screaming like a little girl when Momass came up with that?)
Colt's performance playing Tennessee, although losing to big plays, Colt went 40-61 and broke a Browns QB record(kosar's or sipe's?) for completions
Colt demonstrated his ability to cram the ball into places against PITT the 2nd game, til he was knocked out of course, but he did make some insane throws to recievers who werent even open.
He can scramble like a MF, and take broken plays and make them into a gain consistenly. How many times did a play break down and Colt scrambled to the right or left, finding a reception or taking it for a few yards himself?
Have you seen DTs and LBs try to catch him in the backfield? And 8 times out of 10 he literally sprints away from them, and they cant catch him? He's got some wheels once he's running for his life.
He is still, for as bad as our recieving core was, very smart with the football. The times he threw picks, they were only one a game.
Seeing Seneca play the last games reaffirmed my confidence in Colt also. A WCO veteran looked only slightly better than Colt who played with the WCO for only one year.
And learning an offense is apart of it also, which Colt needs more time to do.
Colt, with all the chips down last year, and with only Little, Cribbs, Norwood, and Hillis as guys who could even help the offense get CLOSE to scoring,he still tried to make something out of it, and that alone should give him one more year to show what he's got when everyone is on the same page.
You fail to mention the Ravens game where their D Backs sat on Colt like cackling hyenas baiting him to throw.
Or the Houston game where he failed time after time to adjust protection against their blitzes,like he did all year long against every team. Or how every freaking team put eight in the box against us daring him to go downfield which he rarely even tried like a fourth quarter Lebron.
Yeah his QB rating showed consistency , it consistently fuckin sucked. And you compare Colt to Seneca which is a total fucking joke. A career backup as your point of reference is not setting the bar high my man.
And Wallace came in against the Cards and eluded a cornerback blitz and threw a laser with velocity to Little for a touchdown, a throw Colt will never,ever be able to make.
You fail to mention the Ravens game where their D Backs sat on Colt like cackling hyenas baiting him to throw.
Or the Houston game where he failed time after time to adjust protection against their blitzes,like he did all year long against every team. Or how every freaking team put eight in the box against us daring him to go downfield which he rarely even tried like a fourth quarter Lebron.
Yeah his QB rating showed consistency , it consistently fuckin sucked. And you compare Colt to Seneca which is a total fucking joke. A career backup as your point of reference is not setting the bar high my man.
And Wallace came in against the Cards and eluded a cornerback blitz and threw a laser with velocity to Little for a touchdown, a throw Colt will never,ever be able to make.
aaaaand why did every team put 8 in the box? cause we didnt have a run game and they knew it, and last time I checked a passing game works better with a run game that sets it up.
aaaaand not like our WRs were beating the Ravens veteran DBs (or any good DBs for that matter) on routes either.
aaaaand the QB rating did not consistently suck, hence why i put the ratings up. you ruined your argument by saying it "consistently fuckin sucked", cause it didn't.
aaaaand once again if Seneca is joke, why compare him to Colt, like you did with Seneca's throw to Little.
aaaaand using more than one finger, tell me how many downfield threats Colt had to throw to.
aaaaand did you just use Lebron as a comparison to Colt?
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I like Colt and wish he were the guy. I'm not totally giving up on him I think he deserves a chance to compete for the job. But to go into next season handing him over the job is ridiculous, it's basically giving him another "test year" to see if he is the guy. I thought 2011 was the test year? Oh he sucked last season, DO OVER !
I think RG3 has a higher ceiling than Colt does without question.
I like Colt and wish he were the guy. I'm not totally giving up on him I think he deserves a chance to compete for the job. But to go into next season handing him over the job is ridiculous, it's basically giving him another "test year" to see if he is the guy. I thought 2011 was the test year? Oh he sucked last season, DO OVER !
I think RG3 has a higher ceiling than Colt does without question.
yes, you are totally giving up on him.
and he'll EARN the job next year. just like last year over Seneca
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You fail to mention the Ravens game where their D Backs sat on Colt like cackling hyenas baiting him to throw.
Or the Houston game where he failed time after time to adjust protection against their blitzes,like he did all year long against every team. Or how every freaking team put eight in the box against us daring him to go downfield which he rarely even tried like a fourth quarter Lebron.
Yeah his QB rating showed consistency , it consistently fuckin sucked. And you compare Colt to Seneca which is a total fucking joke. A career backup as your point of reference is not setting the bar high my man.
And Wallace came in against the Cards and eluded a cornerback blitz and threw a laser with velocity to Little for a touchdown, a throw Colt will never,ever be able to make.
aaaaand why did every team put 8 in the box? cause we didnt have a run game and they knew it, and last time I checked a passing game works better with a run game that sets it up.
aaaaand not like our WRs were beating the Ravens veteran DBs (or any good DBs for that matter) on routes either.
aaaaand the QB rating did not consistently suck, hence why i put the ratings up. you ruined your argument by saying it "consistently fuckin sucked", cause it didn't.
aaaaand once again if Seneca is joke, why compare him to Colt, like you did with Seneca's throw to Little.
aaaaand using more than one finger, tell me how many downfield threats Colt had to throw to.
aaaaand did you just use Lebron as a comparison to Colt?
aaaaand why did every team put 8 in the box? cause we didnt have a run game and they knew it, and last time I checked a passing game works better with a run game that sets it up.
aaaaand not like our WRs were beating the Ravens veteran DBs (or any good DBs for that matter) on routes either.
aaaaand the QB rating did not consistently suck, hence why i put the ratings up. you ruined your argument by saying it "consistently fuckin sucked", cause it didn't.
aaaaand once again if Seneca is joke, why compare him to Colt, like you did with Seneca's throw to Little.
aaaaand using more than one finger, tell me how many downfield threats Colt had to throw to.
aaaaand did you just use Lebron as a comparison to Colt?
This reply is so irrational I'm not even going to argue with you anymore because I've got the feeling I'm debating with a twelve year old.
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aaaaand why did every team put 8 in the box? cause we didnt have a run game and they knew it, and last time I checked a passing game works better with a run game that sets it up.
aaaaand not like our WRs were beating the Ravens veteran DBs (or any good DBs for that matter) on routes either.
aaaaand the QB rating did not consistently suck, hence why i put the ratings up. you ruined your argument by saying it "consistently fuckin sucked", cause it didn't.
aaaaand once again if Seneca is joke, why compare him to Colt, like you did with Seneca's throw to Little.
aaaaand using more than one finger, tell me how many downfield threats Colt had to throw to.
aaaaand did you just use Lebron as a comparison to Colt?
This reply is so irrational I'm not even going to argue with you anymore because I've got the feeling I'm debating with a twelve year old.
This reply is so irrational I'm not even going to argue with you anymore because I've got the feeling I'm debating with a twelve year old.
im not sure you know what irrational means
how was that post a 12 year olds? sorry i put to many as on the aaaaands
Colt was on a shit sytem with shit players and a shit coach. and he was mediocre. not shit.
of course you reply back copping out cause my posts reflect that of a 12 year old.
gooo ga gooo da deee daddy mama num num num. there thats closer to a 2 year old.
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tony pike is a free agent. love the kid when he played at cincinatti.
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Zombo said:
Oh, OK. Those are the three teams He has to beat on a consistant basis for us to contend?
Consistant indeed.
Zombo
hahahaha so RG3 would've done better.
our offense cant hold a candle to the defenses of those teams. cause our offense blew chunks.
and you say "he" has to beat those teams, like Colt was the only one to lose those games.
cmon guys. I'm told that I'm a 12 year old by saying that NOT ONE qb could've excelled with our offense last year. And that having the 30th ranked offense in the league is NOT all Colt's fault.
Zombo, its not just a QB that scores points in games. you think because Colt's QB rating is the ONLY reason we lost to those teams, yeah right.
i feel like im a broken record that just keeps spinning the simple facts that our offense sucked so much last year that judging Colt's cieling is f#%&*#g impossible
I DO NOT MEAN TO OFFEND people, just there are some arguments that I get heated over a little.
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Zombo said:
Oh, OK. Those are the three teams He has to beat on a consistant basis for us to contend?
Consistant indeed.
Zombo
hahahaha so RG3 would've done better.
our offense cant hold a candle to the defenses of those teams. cause our offense blew chunks.
and you say "he" has to beat those teams, like Colt was the only one to lose those games.
cmon guys. I'm told that I'm a 12 year old by saying that NOT ONE qb could've excelled with our offense last year. And that having the 30th ranked offense in the league is NOT all Colt's fault.
Zombo, its not just a QB that scores points in games. you think because Colt's QB rating is the ONLY reason we lost to those teams, yeah right.
i feel like im a broken record that just keeps spinning the simple facts that our offense sucked so much last year that judging Colt's cieling is f#%&*#g impossible
I DO NOT MEAN TO OFFEND people, just there are some arguments that I get heated over a little.
hahahaha so RG3 would've done better.
our offense cant hold a candle to the defenses of those teams. cause our offense blew chunks.
and you say "he" has to beat those teams, like Colt was the only one to lose those games.
cmon guys. I'm told that I'm a 12 year old by saying that NOT ONE qb could've excelled with our offense last year. And that having the 30th ranked offense in the league is NOT all Colt's fault.
Zombo, its not just a QB that scores points in games. you think because Colt's QB rating is the ONLY reason we lost to those teams, yeah right.
i feel like im a broken record that just keeps spinning the simple facts that our offense sucked so much last year that judging Colt's cieling is f#%&*#g impossible
I DO NOT MEAN TO OFFEND people, just there are some arguments that I get heated over a little.
I would be willing to bet that a good QB would have made plays last year for our team. Many of the best QBs in the league are playing with late round picks at WR. The Giants had a worse running game than we did, yet they had no problem scoring. A QB touches the ball every play and is in charge of getting the offense going. Why do you think coaches pull the quarterback when the offense is struggling instead of the WR?
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On a side note, Nickers I'm flattered that you would use my stuff in your sig but I'd appreciate some quotations.
"All Truth Passes Through Three stages. First, It Is Ridiculed, Second It Is Violently Opposed, And Third, It Is Accepted As Self-Evident" ~Arthur Schopenhauer -
Zombo said:
I'd like to see an upgrade as opposed to the "add weapons and hope" plan.
Would you be ok, If the Browns do not sell the farm for RG3, but draft a new QB with their draft picks #22 and below and use the other picks to solidify their roster?
RG3 is touted as a better prospect than Joe Flacco, Andy Dalton and Ben Rothlesberger. These 3 QB's led their teams to the playoffs and one of them is a multiple SuperBowl champion. Plus, they also had a good roster to help them.
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I read today that Griffin is actually a more attractive option than Flynn because he will cost less. We should hope that the Redskins overpay for Peyton and that the Dolphins get Flynn which would eliminate two of the competition for RGIII.
Zombo said:
I don't like any of the QBs after the top 2 this year. I think there is a big gap. In that scenario you give Colt another year to produce and go after a QB next year if he doesn't turn the corner, or you can go the Matt Flynn route.
I think the reason I am all in on Grif is that I am more dissatisfied with Colt than most, less impressed with Tannehill, et al than most, and not really taken with Flynn either.
If it wasn't for those meddling Redskins I think things would work out nicely for us as far as RG3 goes ... now it comes down to "how much do you give up for him?" ... three future prospective starters? That's a lot.
Zombo
IMHO- most Cleveland fans need to be a little more objective about Colt- and think for a second why in the hell would every pundit, commentator or so called "expert" that doesn't live in Cleveland think the Browns have a gaping hole at the qb position? Like none of them have ever broken down tape on McCoy and see that he does indeed have limitations to his game?
Yeah- ouch, looks like two firsts and a second for RGIII.
I read today that Griffin is actually a more attractive option than Flynn because he will cost less. We should hope that the Redskins overpay for Peyton and that the Dolphins get Flynn which would eliminate two of the competition for RGIII.
That my man is the best possible scenario, and would put the Browns in the catbird seat to get Griffin- it effectively eliminates all of the competition. Any other team would have to give up virtually their entire draft (or a super stud player) plus multiple future picks including at least one first rounder to jump ahead of the Browns. For instance if Jerry Jones is tired of Romo, think a couple firsts, a second and Demarcus Ware.
I've been banging this drum for that past week- a lot is going to depend on how much value the Rams put on Blackmon or Kalil. If they trade down with the Redskins they won't get either. Oh well I suppose- if Snyder goes all crazy again, Blackmon isn't a bad consolation prize.
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On a side note, Nickers I'm flattered that you would use my stuff in your sig but I'd appreciate some quotations.
On a side note, Nickers I'm flattered that you would use my stuff in your sig but I'd appreciate some quotations.
that will cost you $500.00. I dont work for nothing
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hahahaha so RG3 would've done better.
our offense cant hold a candle to the defenses of those teams. cause our offense blew chunks.
and you say "he" has to beat those teams, like Colt was the only one to lose those games.
cmon guys. I'm told that I'm a 12 year old by saying that NOT ONE qb could've excelled with our offense last year. And that having the 30th ranked offense in the league is NOT all Colt's fault.
Zombo, its not just a QB that scores points in games. you think because Colt's QB rating is the ONLY reason we lost to those teams, yeah right.
i feel like im a broken record that just keeps spinning the simple facts that our offense sucked so much last year that judging Colt's cieling is f#%&*#g impossible
I DO NOT MEAN TO OFFEND people, just there are some arguments that I get heated over a little.
I would be willing to bet that a good QB would have made plays last year for our team. Many of the best QBs in the league are playing with late round picks at WR. The Giants had a worse running game than we did, yet they had no problem scoring. A QB touches the ball every play and is in charge of getting the offense going. Why do you think coaches pull the quarterback when the offense is struggling instead of the WR?
I would be willing to bet that a good QB would have made plays last year for our team. Many of the best QBs in the league are playing with late round picks at WR. The Giants had a worse running game than we did, yet they had no problem scoring. A QB touches the ball every play and is in charge of getting the offense going. Why do you think coaches pull the quarterback when the offense is struggling instead of the WR?
well what does that say about our receivers when we outright cut one of our starters but left the QB in?
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Here's my take on the situation. I like Colt McCoy and defended him all season long but it'd be foolish to pass on RGIII. The kid is going to really be something. Now with that said, it doesn't stop with him. The need for a home run hitter is still need. Rather it's in the backfield or at wide out is apples and oranges. This is a really good chance to bring in some true young talent. The defense is getting there, so it's time to focus on offense. I know some of you want to see a stud linebacker picked up. That's still possible as well but if not through the draft, free agency is still an option. We may not agree on a lot but one thing we can agree on is we're all tired of seeing our beloved Browns lose.
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