Colt Mccoy To Be Traded
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Just curious, did Weeden make Blackmon or vice versa. Was Weeden a product of the system or can he make big boy throws?
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and i thought gipper was making excuses.....yikes.
whats the infatuation with the small pop-gun armed QB with freckles? you say he can air it out if he wants.....well, why doesn't he want to? because our WR's suck, or because they hang in the air so long its essentially a jump-ball everytime?
remember when he was 15 yards short of hillis in the end zone for a pick 6?
edit: every argument for colt revolves around one important aspect....that the situation be ideal for him to be evaluated. the reality tho, is that situations are never ideal. you play the cards you are dealt. again, if a QB requires an all-pro team around him to play well, chance are that QB isn't very good. good players find a way to push thru adversity and persevere....make the proverbial lemonade out of lemons....elevate the players around him. all the heart in the world wont give you the ability to throw a football on a rope.
edit2: we already went thru this same exact situation with quinn, to the point the board split. some could see that quinn wasn't a good QB, and wanted to cut ties before we wasted anymore time. others, thought he got a raw deal and just needed some help....made worse by the fact quinn was a browns fan. in the end, he's had the pleasure of never being anywhere near a starting lineup....
point being, 'dems da breaks. not every needs 32 games with an all-pro team to see how good or bad any given QB is.
The point being? My point is, if Weeden were here last year through all that we went through as a team he would have fared no better than McCoy did. If you want the jist of it, trot Weeden out behind the same Oline, unlearn Pinkston to play at a rookie level, try to find a RT as bad as the one we had last year. You have to use Owen at FB. You've gotta convince the WR to drop the most passes in the league for a second straight year and Childress isn't allowed to help on offense. Then we'll see how good Weeden is compared to Colt. Just sayin. It's not fair to provide Weeden all the tools... Oh yeah, the weedster can't use Trent either. Like I was saying it's not fair to provide Weeden all the tools to be successful and proclaim him the prodigy while Colt had shit to work with and deem him a bust. Fair and equal is fair and equal. IMO.
The point being? My point is, if Weeden were here last year through all that we went through as a team he would have fared no better than McCoy did. If you want the jist of it, trot Weeden out behind the same Oline, unlearn Pinkston to play at a rookie level, try to find a RT as bad as the one we had last year. You have to use Owen at FB. You've gotta convince the WR to drop the most passes in the league for a second straight year and Childress isn't allowed to help on offense. Then we'll see how good Weeden is compared to Colt. Just sayin. It's not fair to provide Weeden all the tools... Oh yeah, the weedster can't use Trent either. Like I was saying it's not fair to provide Weeden all the tools to be successful and proclaim him the prodigy while Colt had shit to work with and deem him a bust. Fair and equal is fair and equal. IMO.
Yes and no. Part of me wonders if our anemic play calling was due to Colt. I mean we rarely threw down field. It very well could be on our WR's, Colt or both. But one thing is for sure, the play calling has GOT to be a lot better this year, or it doesn't matter who we got in the draft. Give us RG3, Blackmon, Kalil, Richardson and with our pathetic play calling we had last year we would have been hard up to win even 6-7 games.
Last year was such a myriad of "Bad Things" it's really hard to place it on one thing. One thing is for sure our play calling has to get better. We can't drop 30+ passes again. We have to protect better. We need to stretch the field. Utilize our TE's more. and the list goes on and on and on and on...
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Just curious, did Weeden make Blackmon or vice versa. Was Weeden a product of the system or can he make big boy throws?
Just curious, did Weeden make Blackmon or vice versa. Was Weeden a product of the system or can he make big boy throws?
Did Montana make Rice, or did Rice make Montana? Did I make my kids or did my wife make our kids... well technically it's a little bit of both.
Montana & Rice was a marriage made in NFL Heaven. Two competitors with huge work ethics. Problem is now a days we don't see those relationships develope. $$, like most real marriages, is the reason that relationships don't last in the NFL. Guys want paydays over wins. Guys want mansions and cars over Superbowls. It's shame really.
It's hard to have any vested interest in a player because give them enough time and a huge season, and someone with a bigger check is going to take them.
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Colt's no longer going to be our starter, so what's the point in this argument?
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Honestly I think I would rather have Wallace as our backup then McCoy. All I keep thinking about is that game last season where Colt went down and they brought Seneca in to take over and he managed to move the ball downfield up to aobut the 10 yard line. Once he moved the ball 80 yards they pulled him out and put Colt back in. I think the first pass Colt threw was incomplete and the very next pass was an interception. It was then and there I decided I would rather see what Seneca can do for 3 or 4 games instead of Colt.
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U have no idea if weeden would better. It stands to reason that with better QB play, the O would be better. Upgrade any position and the same holds true.
Would wr's be able to catch the ball if it was on time and accurate, rather than a late throw 10 feet too high with a linebacker ready to lay a lick?
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Just curious, did Weeden make Blackmon or vice versa. Was Weeden a product of the system or can he make big boy throws?
Just curious, did Weeden make Blackmon or vice versa. Was Weeden a product of the system or can he make big boy throws?
As a poke fan, and with a gun to my head, I'd have to say Blackmon made Weeden. Don't get me wrong Weeden is the most talented QB the pokes have had since Josh Fields (kind of a reverse Weeden, played football then went into baseball) but Blackmon definitely boosted Weeden's stats with his ability after the catch. Before everybody jumps me for being pissy about not getting Blackmon I only say Blackmon made Weeden with a gun to my head. I think their both going to be legit in the NFL and I'm glad we at least got one of them.
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Just curious, did Weeden make Blackmon or vice versa. Was Weeden a product of the system or can he make big boy throws?
As a poke fan, and with a gun to my head, I'd have to say Blackmon made Weeden. Don't get me wrong Weeden is the most talented QB the pokes have had since Josh Fields (kind of a reverse Weeden, played football then went into baseball) but Blackmon definitely boosted Weeden's stats with his ability after the catch. Before everybody jumps me for being pissy about not getting Blackmon I only say Blackmon made Weeden with a gun to my head. I think their both going to be legit in the NFL and I'm glad we at least got one of them.
As a poke fan, and with a gun to my head, I'd have to say Blackmon made Weeden. Don't get me wrong Weeden is the most talented QB the pokes have had since Josh Fields (kind of a reverse Weeden, played football then went into baseball) but Blackmon definitely boosted Weeden's stats with his ability after the catch. Before everybody jumps me for being pissy about not getting Blackmon I only say Blackmon made Weeden with a gun to my head. I think their both going to be legit in the NFL and I'm glad we at least got one of them.
Nothing wrong with saying they made each other. that's how I feel anyway
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Just curious, did Weeden make Blackmon or vice versa. Was Weeden a product of the system or can he make big boy throws?
Just curious, did Weeden make Blackmon or vice versa. Was Weeden a product of the system or can he make big boy throws?
Fair question. Not sure there is a knowable answer at this point.
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Just curious, did Weeden make Blackmon or vice versa. Was Weeden a product of the system or can he make big boy throws?
Did Montana make Rice, or did Rice make Montana? Did I make my kids or did my wife make our kids... well technically it's a little bit of both.
Montana & Rice was a marriage made in NFL Heaven. Two competitors with huge work ethics. Problem is now a days we don't see those relationships develope. $$, like most real marriages, is the reason that relationships don't last in the NFL. Guys want paydays over wins. Guys want mansions and cars over Superbowls. It's shame really.
It's hard to have any vested interest in a player because give them enough time and a huge season, and someone with a bigger check is going to take them.
Did Montana make Rice, or did Rice make Montana? Did I make my kids or did my wife make our kids... well technically it's a little bit of both.
Montana & Rice was a marriage made in NFL Heaven. Two competitors with huge work ethics. Problem is now a days we don't see those relationships develope. $$, like most real marriages, is the reason that relationships don't last in the NFL. Guys want paydays over wins. Guys want mansions and cars over Superbowls. It's shame really.
It's hard to have any vested interest in a player because give them enough time and a huge season, and someone with a bigger check is going to take them.
Note: Montana was winning Super Bowls before Rice arrived. Rice was winning SBs after Montana left.
I am pretty sure in saying that in that case, both players were great. They won with each other and without each other.
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Our WRs led the league in dropped passes. Between Colt's inconsistency and concussions and our WRs being slow and not catching the ball... we need serious help in one of those areas.
I was wondering if the Browns would be able to send McCoy to Houston or Dallas for a 5th, 6th or 7th Rd Pick... Thoughts?
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I thought for sure the Packers might do a trade for a 6th rounder. I wonder if we could do a osi umenyura for colt plus a late rounder.
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Our WRs led the league in dropped passes. Between Colt's inconsistency and concussions and our WRs being slow and not catching the ball... we need serious help in one of those areas.
I was wondering if the Browns would be able to send McCoy to Houston or Dallas for a 5th, 6th or 7th Rd Pick... Thoughts?
Our WRs led the league in dropped passes. Between Colt's inconsistency and concussions and our WRs being slow and not catching the ball... we need serious help in one of those areas.
I was wondering if the Browns would be able to send McCoy to Houston or Dallas for a 5th, 6th or 7th Rd Pick... Thoughts?
they received no offers when he was on the block. so we're not getting picks for him, and he's worth more to us (only us) than a late round pick at this point. i'd rather cut wallace, recoup that 2 mil and see who hits waivers after cuts.
If anything, the Browns might get a conditional 6th for Colt. Clayton was on ESPN yesterday and said just about every other team in the NFL has addressed the backup QB position, so Colt's trade value is near zero.
I agree with Choco, Colt has more value as a backup qb than any conceivable trade we might get for him. He knows the system and is EDIT: 75% cheaper to keep around than Wallace.
PS to PG: Colt does not have the arm to beat people deep. Read Pluto's article on cleveland.com if you don't believe me. That's from an opposing AFC North trusted source.
Finally- I believe it was Holmgren (might have been Heckert) who said our WRs are OK, they just dropped too many passes, that's why we didn't prioritize the position in the draft. Really H&H? If so, you must be the only guys in the NFL who believe that.
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Now Wallace is fucking terrified of being cut so he is saying that he is more than willing to mentor Weeden. So last year he felt he had a chance to start and wouldn't help McCoy but now that a 1st round QB was drafted and either him or McCoy are scheduled to be released he wants to finally be a team member.
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Now Wallace is fucking terrified of being cut so he is saying that he is more than willing to mentor Weeden. So last year he felt he had a chance to start and wouldn't help McCoy but now that a 1st round QB was drafted and either him or McCoy are scheduled to be released he wants to finally be a team member.
Now Wallace is fucking terrified of being cut so he is saying that he is more than willing to mentor Weeden. So last year he felt he had a chance to start and wouldn't help McCoy but now that a 1st round QB was drafted and either him or McCoy are scheduled to be released he wants to finally be a team member.
Wallace is gaining a "teamwork" mentality? Even if it's sincere, which I don't believe, it's too little, too late.......Bye!
We are finally putting more pieces in place & some of the mediocre or even sub standard players we have tolerated better get off their high horses.
Mike
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Now Wallace is fucking terrified of being cut so he is saying that he is more than willing to mentor Weeden. So last year he felt he had a chance to start and wouldn't help McCoy but now that a 1st round QB was drafted and either him or McCoy are scheduled to be released he wants to finally be a team member.
Now Wallace is fucking terrified of being cut so he is saying that he is more than willing to mentor Weeden. So last year he felt he had a chance to start and wouldn't help McCoy but now that a 1st round QB was drafted and either him or McCoy are scheduled to be released he wants to finally be a team member.
yeah and really?? did brett favre 'mentor' aaron rodgers?
when it comes down to it that's a coaches job. and if holmgren was half the fuggin QB czar that everyone (including himself) thinks he is, why doesn't he throw a whistle around his neck and put a clipboard in his hands?
you know why? cuz he's too fat and unhealthy to stand on the sidelines for any amount of time. looks like he's ready to blow a gasket at anytime....that's why he needs a golf cart with a driver to ride around in.
wonder if the driver could find his way to krispy kreme donuts blindfolded?
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