Art Modell
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fart schmodell was scum. I don't care about him - when we got our team back, I forgot about him about a year later.
But, every time somebody tries to paint lipstick on ....schmodell, I hate him all over again. @@
If it's a league wide moment of silence, I understand the Browns going along. And, if any Browns fans boo
at the mention of his dirtied forever name, that would go down as a worse scandal vs Browns fans (via the media, especially),
than bottlegate.
Let it suffice to say, that it was always about schmodell, and him alone - in his own warped mind. He could NOT STAND the attention on Paul Brown, so he dumped him.
Blanton Collier was also a great coach, and I figure if he hadn't retired, schmodell would have fired him, too, just as he
fired Sam Rutigilano in later years.
It always had to be all about fart schmodell. Moment of silence, whatever. I'm sure they had one for Al Davis, who cares.
If I were there, I'd make sure I left during it, and quietly went to get a coke, and go to the bathroom.
fart doesn't deserve the HOF, and I hope and pray he never gets in. The evil that men do live after them.
Forget it, forget him. Observe the moment of silence respectfully out of principle. Then quietly hope He has a nice time in hell.
What a last schmodell blight on the NFL right before the Browns play their first game.
blech.
fart doesn't deserve the HOF, and I hope and pray he never gets in. The evil that men do live after them.
Then quietly hope He has a nice time in hell.
wow. i guess living on a farm has sheltered you from seeing REAL evil. bin laden was evil. dahmer, bundy and fish etc., were evil. to call modell evil is way overboard. greedy maybe. evil no. if you were to base your equation as to what is evil then i guess mitt romney must be evil too, huh?
the guy made a bad business decision based on greed. doesn't equate to evil.
Like I said before, you may have seen a championship under his reign, but I never had, and I never saw Sipe play either.
i didn't see championships either. but it is apart of brown's history. you must be pretty young if you didn't see sipe. well we were the favorites to beat oakland in an AFC playoff game because of the weather here in cleveland (playing in the old muni and because of a few gaffs we ended up losing by 2 points) and thought if we did we had a good chance to go all the way.
you did see kosar right? 1986 and 87 one game away from the super bowl.
I wouldn't put him in based on what he did to our city.
well i'm glad you don't have a vote.
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fart doesn't deserve the HOF, and I hope and pray he never gets in. The evil that men do live after them.
Then quietly hope He has a nice time in hell.
wow. i guess living on a farm has sheltered you from seeing REAL evil. bin laden was evil. dahmer, bundy and fish etc., were evil. to call modell evil is way overboard. greedy maybe. evil no. if you were to base your equation as to what is evil then i guess mitt romney must be evil too, huh?
the guy made a bad business decision based on greed. doesn't equate to evil.
Like I said before, you may have seen a championship under his reign, but I never had, and I never saw Sipe play either.
i didn't see championships either. but it is apart of brown's history. you must be pretty young if you didn't see sipe. well we were the favorites to beat oakland in an AFC playoff game because of the weather here in cleveland (playing in the old muni and because of a few gaffs we ended up losing by 2 points) and thought if we did we had a good chance to go all the way.
you did see kosar right? 1986 and 87 one game away from the super bowl.
I wouldn't put him in based on what he did to our city.
well i'm glad you don't have a vote.
wow. i guess living on a farm has sheltered you from seeing REAL evil. bin laden was evil. dahmer, bundy and fish etc., were evil. to call modell evil is way overboard. greedy maybe. evil no. if you were to base your equation as to what is evil then i guess mitt romney must be evil too, huh?
the guy made a bad business decision based on greed. doesn't equate to evil.
Evil is completely relative, and to be completely honest, what Modell did was more personal than anything Bin Laden did.
i didn't see championships either. but it is apart of brown's history. you must be pretty young if you didn't see sipe. well we were the favorites to beat oakland in an AFC playoff game because of the weather here in cleveland (playing in the old muni and because of a few gaffs we ended up losing by 2 points) and thought if we did we had a good chance to go all the way.
you did see kosar right? 1986 and 87 one game away from the super bowl.
No. I didn't.
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the guy made a bad business decision based on greed. doesn't equate to evil. Mik
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We're talkin football here. And what that dirtbag did to every single Browns fan, was evil as far as football goes.
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Any Browns fan who thinks this dirt bag should be in the Hall of Fame is a fucking tool.
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http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2012/09/cleveland_browns_cancel_their.html
CLEVELAND -- The Browns will not be publicly recognizing Art Modell's passing during their pre-game activities at Cleveland Browns Stadium tomorrow afterall.
Browns President Mike Holmgren reached out to Modell's son David and said 'we want to do the right thing by the Modell family,'' according to Ravens spokesman Kevin Byrne.
"David told Mike that he really appreciated the call and the offer, but that he knew it would not be totally accepted by the Cleveland fans,'' Byrne said.
"David suggested that the Browns not do a tribute.''
The Browns received a backlash from angry fans when they announced Friday that they would have an "appropriate recognition'' at the Stadium Sunday before their opener against the Eagles.
Modell, owner of the Browns from 1961 to 1995, died Thursday morning of natural causes at the age of 87. He had been suffering from congestive heart failure and other serious ailments
After much careful thought and many conversations, including those with the NFL office, the Browns had planned just a brief read over their public address system. No moment of silence or photos on the scoreboard were to be included.
Current Ravens and former Browns spokesman Kevin Byrne, a native Clevelander who worked for Modell for 31 years, told the Plain Dealer Thursday that he didn't think the Browns should honor Modell because of the fans' intense anger over Modell moving the team to Baltimore in 1996.
The NFL sent a memo to all clubs on Friday asking that they commemorate Modell's death in some way. Many are planning a moment of silence or a scoreboard tribute.
This is the best decision that could have been made.
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I agree. We don't need to look like fools on Television.
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wow, some of you guys take this shit way too far. hey, to each their own.
just sayin when there is so much more to life than hating some dead guy, you seem silly.
betcha on your death bed this is the last thing you'll be thinking about.
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^^^That's such a gross oversimplification. He isn't just some dead guy. Benedict Arnold wasn't just some dead guy. He was a fucking traitor, and his name is still used to describe people like him 200 years later. Modell committed the worst sin that could be committed in the NFL, and this is how he's going to be remembered for it.
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this was posted on www.reddit.com/r/nfl and I thought you'd like to read it:
I can't believe the NFL, I can't help but think that Cleveland is just seen as a whipping post to the NFL leadership. They oversaw the Browns move and allowed it to happen. A move that was motivated by the owner being stupid with his business practices and was doing what he could to avoid bankruptcy. Because of his mistakes he decided to punish an entire fanbase and then ended up STILL having to sell the team a couple years later. Even with the amazing deal he got for moving the team he couldn't afford to keep it.
Many of you may say that he moved because Cleveland refused to give him a new stadium. Despite the "facts" the media is manufacturing after his death this is untrue. He was offered a spot in the Gateway project that gave the Indians a new field and the Cavs a new arena. He refused because he'd be expected to actually pay money for a lease instead of getting it basically free and bleeding the city and the Indians for more money. Source.
Many are also seeing reports from the media that Modell basically "let" us keep our history and team name out of the goodness of his heart. This is also untrue, the city had to fight him to keep them. He also broke a lease agreement and the city had to sue him to get him to honor his agreement there. Source.
The NFL then allowed friend and business partner of Modell, Al Lerner, to become the owner of the new team. This is a guy that actually assisted in the move of the original Browns so he could later become the owner of the new team.
Now that Modell has died I'd very much prefer if we could just move on. The only problem is that the media has changed the story on what has happened with the move. I don't know if this is under pressure from the NFL but what other reason would they have for trying to change history? Also, the NFL has stepped in and isn't allowing fans to just move on. Initially sources were saying that the Browns had no plans to honor Modell. Now, after an NFL message "asking" the teams to honor him in some, appropriate way the Browns are saying they'll be doing something in his honor. That sounds very much like the NFL is pressuring the Browns FO to do this. There's no proof of this and never will be but it's extremely suspicious. I'm not saying there shouldn't be a tribute because I hate him, I'm not going to include my opinion of the man in this post. I'm saying the NFL knows what kind of reaction the Cleveland fanbase will give and is still pressuring the Browns to do something. They know it will make us look like shit and they don't care. It won't be all Browns fans booing and making noise but in a silent stadium a couple thousand people yelling will be easily heard. They seem to like having a whipping boy around, it's good for media attention.
Sorry this rant got so long but it's getting ridiculous and I'm hoping people will try to see things from our point of view.
one of the worst reads ever.
i know this hits clevelanders a lot harder than those fans living outside the region so i've made an effort as to stand back a little as far as my comments go just because i wasn't there. that being said yes he was on one hand the biggest scumbage in cleveland history. but on the other hand he was one of the best owners the franchise has ever seen. didn't we see a championship under his reign? didn't we have the sipe and cardiac kids? the kosar era? if not for a couple of bungled plays we could have easily been in 3 super bowls. then there is what he did for football outside of cleveland.
watching it from afar, seeing everything unfold via news articles and national sports tv, i truly put more blame on the city of cleveland and their city council and especially the mayor, who when he spoke was basically drawing a line in the sand. "wouldn't give in". "not be hussled" and then after weeks and months of hearing this and not getting what he needed modell was on tv saying "i'm not going to sit here and beg and plead like a little child for what i think this team deserves" kinda told me the team was gone.
yes he does deserve the HOF. he did then and does now. if anyone should've been burned in effigy it should've benn mayor blackie white.
btw. it's not just the browns doing a moment of silence for modell it's every team in the league. i'm sure goodell was a teeneager in the nfl offices running errands for the big boys while rozell and tagliabu were still at the helm so he must have seen modell many times in those offices. i'm sure he has first hand knowledge of what modell did for this league. that's why the moment of silence is being done league wide.
one of the worst reads ever.
i know this hits clevelanders a lot harder than those fans living outside the region so i've made an effort as to stand back a little as far as my comments go just because i wasn't there. that being said yes he was on one hand the biggest scumbage in cleveland history. but on the other hand he was one of the best owners the franchise has ever seen. didn't we see a championship under his reign? didn't we have the sipe and cardiac kids? the kosar era? if not for a couple of bungled plays we could have easily been in 3 super bowls. then there is what he did for football outside of cleveland.
watching it from afar, seeing everything unfold via news articles and national sports tv, i truly put more blame on the city of cleveland and their city council and especially the mayor, who when he spoke was basically drawing a line in the sand. "wouldn't give in". "not be hussled" and then after weeks and months of hearing this and not getting what he needed modell was on tv saying "i'm not going to sit here and beg and plead like a little child for what i think this team deserves" kinda told me the team was gone.
yes he does deserve the HOF. he did then and does now. if anyone should've been burned in effigy it should've benn mayor blackie white.
btw. it's not just the browns doing a moment of silence for modell it's every team in the league. i'm sure goodell was a teeneager in the nfl offices running errands for the big boys while rozell and tagliabu were still at the helm so he must have seen modell many times in those offices. i'm sure he has first hand knowledge of what modell did for this league. that's why the moment of silence is being done league wide.
IMHO he wasnt a great franchise owner. He was losing money despite leasing the stadium for $1/year, and cleveland was responsible for upkeep on the stadium. Sounds like a bad business owner to me.
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http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2012/09/cleveland_browns_cancel_their.html
CLEVELAND -- The Browns will not be publicly recognizing Art Modell's passing during their pre-game activities at Cleveland Browns Stadium tomorrow afterall.
Browns President Mike Holmgren reached out to Modell's son David and said 'we want to do the right thing by the Modell family,'' according to Ravens spokesman Kevin Byrne.
"David told Mike that he really appreciated the call and the offer, but that he knew it would not be totally accepted by the Cleveland fans,'' Byrne said.
"David suggested that the Browns not do a tribute.''
The Browns received a backlash from angry fans when they announced Friday that they would have an "appropriate recognition'' at the Stadium Sunday before their opener against the Eagles.
Modell, owner of the Browns from 1961 to 1995, died Thursday morning of natural causes at the age of 87. He had been suffering from congestive heart failure and other serious ailments
After much careful thought and many conversations, including those with the NFL office, the Browns had planned just a brief read over their public address system. No moment of silence or photos on the scoreboard were to be included.
Current Ravens and former Browns spokesman Kevin Byrne, a native Clevelander who worked for Modell for 31 years, told the Plain Dealer Thursday that he didn't think the Browns should honor Modell because of the fans' intense anger over Modell moving the team to Baltimore in 1996.
The NFL sent a memo to all clubs on Friday asking that they commemorate Modell's death in some way. Many are planning a moment of silence or a scoreboard tribute.
This is the best decision that could have been made.
http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2012/09/cleveland_browns_cancel_their.html
This is the best decision that could have been made.
Yeah- at least Dave Modell and Kevin Byrne knew the odds of it getting really ugly were mighty high. I'll be at the game and disrespectful or not- pretty sure I would have booed- loudly.
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Yea this is a super good move to not remember him. I bet there will still be things you can hear. Maybe a chant or something, but not having a moment of silence is a good call of the team's part.
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^^^That's such a gross oversimplification. He isn't just some dead guy. Benedict Arnold wasn't just some dead guy. He was a fucking traitor, and his name is still used to describe people like him 200 years later. Modell committed the worst sin that could be committed in the NFL, and this is how he's going to be remembered for it.
^^^That's such a gross oversimplification. He isn't just some dead guy. Benedict Arnold wasn't just some dead guy. He was a fucking traitor, and his name is still used to describe people like him 200 years later. Modell committed the worst sin that could be committed in the NFL, and this is how he's going to be remembered for it.
dude, i know all of this. why should you care, you weren't even a fan then.
listen i 'hate' people. not in a true sense, but like when you're speeding along the highway and some asshole is doing 55 in the left lane and the other 2 lanes are blocked.......and you flash your brights or honk your horn but the person is oblivious to the fact that you want to run them the fuck off the road. yeah i 'hate' that person. then. 5 minutes later i forget all about the prick. i 'hate' people that walk 3 across the sidewalks but because there are 3 of them they won't move making you step into the street or into dog shit by a tree. yeah i 'hate' people. but 5 minutes later i forget about the fucks.
granted modell took about 6 years to get over BUT it's over. sure he'll always be remembered as the guy who took a team from cleveland. a weasel maybe. a traitor????? i don't know. he made it a point to leave all the records and titles and colors and name behind. he could've moved the team kept everything and the new team coulda been named the baltimore browns. how about that?
all i'm saying is we got the browns back. and no matter how bad it's been since coming back, you can't blame that on modell. bad coaches, good coaches getting fired. bad draft picks. etc. etc. all have contributed to this fiasco. but to walk around with all the hate and blame will only lead to an aneurism, stroke or heart attack. slow it the fuck down. relax. have a smoke. it's 4:20 somewhere. (well it was 1/2 hour ago).
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^^^That's such a gross oversimplification. He isn't just some dead guy. Benedict Arnold wasn't just some dead guy. He was a fucking traitor, and his name is still used to describe people like him 200 years later. Modell committed the worst sin that could be committed in the NFL, and this is how he's going to be remembered for it.
dude, i know all of this. why should you care, you weren't even a fan then.
listen i 'hate' people. not in a true sense, but like when you're speeding along the highway and some asshole is doing 55 in the left lane and the other 2 lanes are blocked.......and you flash your brights or honk your horn but the person is oblivious to the fact that you want to run them the fuck off the road. yeah i 'hate' that person. then. 5 minutes later i forget all about the prick. i 'hate' people that walk 3 across the sidewalks but because there are 3 of them they won't move making you step into the street or into dog shit by a tree. yeah i 'hate' people. but 5 minutes later i forget about the fucks.
granted modell took about 6 years to get over BUT it's over. sure he'll always be remembered as the guy who took a team from cleveland. a weasel maybe. a traitor????? i don't know. he made it a point to leave all the records and titles and colors and name behind. he could've moved the team kept everything and the new team coulda been named the baltimore browns. how about that?
all i'm saying is we got the browns back. and no matter how bad it's been since coming back, you can't blame that on modell. bad coaches, good coaches getting fired. bad draft picks. etc. etc. all have contributed to this fiasco. but to walk around with all the hate and blame will only lead to an aneurism, stroke or heart attack. slow it the fuck down. relax. have a smoke. it's 4:20 somewhere. (well it was 1/2 hour ago).
he made it a point to leave all the records and titles and colors and name behind. he could've moved the team kept everything and the new team coulda been named the baltimore browns. how about that?
Afaik, Those were exactly his intentions.
They were all set to start selling Baltimore Browns gear and the City of Cleveland sued him for breaking the stadium lease.
Then they came to terms that Cleveland would keep the history,colors etc. and Modell would be allowed to leave.
So it's not like he threw us a bone,pun intended... he wanted the whole enchilada.
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^^^That's such a gross oversimplification. He isn't just some dead guy. Benedict Arnold wasn't just some dead guy. He was a fucking traitor, and his name is still used to describe people like him 200 years later. Modell committed the worst sin that could be committed in the NFL, and this is how he's going to be remembered for it.
dude, i know all of this. why should you care, you weren't even a fan then.
listen i 'hate' people. not in a true sense, but like when you're speeding along the highway and some asshole is doing 55 in the left lane and the other 2 lanes are blocked.......and you flash your brights or honk your horn but the person is oblivious to the fact that you want to run them the fuck off the road. yeah i 'hate' that person. then. 5 minutes later i forget all about the prick. i 'hate' people that walk 3 across the sidewalks but because there are 3 of them they won't move making you step into the street or into dog shit by a tree. yeah i 'hate' people. but 5 minutes later i forget about the fucks.
granted modell took about 6 years to get over BUT it's over. sure he'll always be remembered as the guy who took a team from cleveland. a weasel maybe. a traitor????? i don't know. he made it a point to leave all the records and titles and colors and name behind. he could've moved the team kept everything and the new team coulda been named the baltimore browns. how about that?
all i'm saying is we got the browns back. and no matter how bad it's been since coming back, you can't blame that on modell. bad coaches, good coaches getting fired. bad draft picks. etc. etc. all have contributed to this fiasco. but to walk around with all the hate and blame will only lead to an aneurism, stroke or heart attack. slow it the fuck down. relax. have a smoke. it's 4:20 somewhere. (well it was 1/2 hour ago).
dude, i know all of this. why should you care, you weren't even a fan then.
listen i 'hate' people. not in a true sense, but like when you're speeding along the highway and some asshole is doing 55 in the left lane and the other 2 lanes are blocked.......and you flash your brights or honk your horn but the person is oblivious to the fact that you want to run them the fuck off the road. yeah i 'hate' that person. then. 5 minutes later i forget all about the prick. i 'hate' people that walk 3 across the sidewalks but because there are 3 of them they won't move making you step into the street or into dog shit by a tree. yeah i 'hate' people. but 5 minutes later i forget about the fucks.
granted modell took about 6 years to get over BUT it's over. sure he'll always be remembered as the guy who took a team from cleveland. a weasel maybe. a traitor????? i don't know. he made it a point to leave all the records and titles and colors and name behind. he could've moved the team kept everything and the new team coulda been named the baltimore browns. how about that?
all i'm saying is we got the browns back. and no matter how bad it's been since coming back, you can't blame that on modell. bad coaches, good coaches getting fired. bad draft picks. etc. etc. all have contributed to this fiasco. but to walk around with all the hate and blame will only lead to an aneurism, stroke or heart attack. slow it the fuck down. relax. have a smoke. it's 4:20 somewhere. (well it was 1/2 hour ago).
He probably should've kept the name. Then, maybe, I wouldn't have such high expectations for the team I root for, given its past greatness. None of that really matters to me, like you said, I wasn't even a fan then. What matters is what happened when I was a fan. I was 9 years old when the team got taken away. Given what I've learned about the situation, no one was more to blame, more selfish than him.
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Guys over 200 Games have been played since we've came back... I know this because coming up against the Eagles; our very own Phil Dawson will make his 200th Start!!! That's the way we metaphorically kick Modell ass and memory out of Cleveland forever. Modell may have taken the team from the city but... he could never take the team from the city. It's a wash now; Now lets go win our Championship.
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^Worse than Modell?
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What this man did to this city?...are you people fuckin crazy?...He raped this city while he was here...when he moved the Browns...Im My mind...that erased any good hes hes ever done...Piss on you,Art!
Nickers...."There are no old running QB's in the NFL "~Sam Rutigliano~ -
Friends of the AFC North,
Legend has it that Art Modell talked Art Rooney into moving to the new AFC with him to avail himself of the financial rewards and continue the rivalry, which to that point had gone the Browns' way. Our position in the league and best record since the merger might have been very different if our Art Rooney hadn't listened. Say what you will about Art Modell, but we owe him a debt of gratitude.
With respect Mr. Modell, rest in peace.
From Dan Rooney...http://www.steelers.com/news/article...6-e6d8dd2659b7
"Art Modell was a good friend to our family and he will be sadly missed. He was instrumental in helping the National Football League become what it is today, and he always had the league’s best interest at hand. Our thoughts and prayers go out to his entire family as he will be missed dearly by the Steelers organization and the Rooney family."
Every post I have read on Steeler boards echoes that sentiment.
Here is to much success with your new ownership and a renewal of the intense rivalry we have enjoyed in the past.
Best,
Vincent
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What this man did to this city?...are you people fuckin crazy?...He raped this city while he was here...when he moved the Browns...Im My mind...that erased any good hes hes ever done...Piss on you,Art!
What this man did to this city?...are you people fuckin crazy?...He raped this city while he was here...when he moved the Browns...Im My mind...that erased any good hes hes ever done...Piss on you,Art!
you've got problems. hopefully you don't have any firearms.
wouldn't want to be at mcdonalds that day when you show up with an ouzi and take out 20 people cuz your fries were cold.
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What this man did to this city?...are you people fuckin crazy?...He raped this city while he was here...when he moved the Browns...Im My mind...that erased any good hes hes ever done...Piss on you,Art!
you've got problems. hopefully you don't have any firearms.
wouldn't want to be at mcdonalds that day when you show up with an ouzi and take out 20 people cuz your fries were cold.
you've got problems. hopefully you don't have any firearms.
wouldn't want to be at mcdonalds that day when you show up with an ouzi and take out 20 people cuz your fries were cold.
You're accusing everyone who's got any passion about this topic of pulling a Columbine. Really? Weren't you the one that made the thread about Tim Tebow's Focus on the Family commercial? Indignation is part of life. Deal.
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