Art Modell
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Yea this is a super good move to not remember him. I bet there will still be things you can hear. Maybe a chant or something, but not having a moment of silence is a good call of the team's part.
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^^^That's such a gross oversimplification. He isn't just some dead guy. Benedict Arnold wasn't just some dead guy. He was a fucking traitor, and his name is still used to describe people like him 200 years later. Modell committed the worst sin that could be committed in the NFL, and this is how he's going to be remembered for it.
^^^That's such a gross oversimplification. He isn't just some dead guy. Benedict Arnold wasn't just some dead guy. He was a fucking traitor, and his name is still used to describe people like him 200 years later. Modell committed the worst sin that could be committed in the NFL, and this is how he's going to be remembered for it.
dude, i know all of this. why should you care, you weren't even a fan then.
listen i 'hate' people. not in a true sense, but like when you're speeding along the highway and some asshole is doing 55 in the left lane and the other 2 lanes are blocked.......and you flash your brights or honk your horn but the person is oblivious to the fact that you want to run them the fuck off the road. yeah i 'hate' that person. then. 5 minutes later i forget all about the prick. i 'hate' people that walk 3 across the sidewalks but because there are 3 of them they won't move making you step into the street or into dog shit by a tree. yeah i 'hate' people. but 5 minutes later i forget about the fucks.
granted modell took about 6 years to get over BUT it's over. sure he'll always be remembered as the guy who took a team from cleveland. a weasel maybe. a traitor????? i don't know. he made it a point to leave all the records and titles and colors and name behind. he could've moved the team kept everything and the new team coulda been named the baltimore browns. how about that?
all i'm saying is we got the browns back. and no matter how bad it's been since coming back, you can't blame that on modell. bad coaches, good coaches getting fired. bad draft picks. etc. etc. all have contributed to this fiasco. but to walk around with all the hate and blame will only lead to an aneurism, stroke or heart attack. slow it the fuck down. relax. have a smoke. it's 4:20 somewhere. (well it was 1/2 hour ago).
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^^^That's such a gross oversimplification. He isn't just some dead guy. Benedict Arnold wasn't just some dead guy. He was a fucking traitor, and his name is still used to describe people like him 200 years later. Modell committed the worst sin that could be committed in the NFL, and this is how he's going to be remembered for it.
dude, i know all of this. why should you care, you weren't even a fan then.
listen i 'hate' people. not in a true sense, but like when you're speeding along the highway and some asshole is doing 55 in the left lane and the other 2 lanes are blocked.......and you flash your brights or honk your horn but the person is oblivious to the fact that you want to run them the fuck off the road. yeah i 'hate' that person. then. 5 minutes later i forget all about the prick. i 'hate' people that walk 3 across the sidewalks but because there are 3 of them they won't move making you step into the street or into dog shit by a tree. yeah i 'hate' people. but 5 minutes later i forget about the fucks.
granted modell took about 6 years to get over BUT it's over. sure he'll always be remembered as the guy who took a team from cleveland. a weasel maybe. a traitor????? i don't know. he made it a point to leave all the records and titles and colors and name behind. he could've moved the team kept everything and the new team coulda been named the baltimore browns. how about that?
all i'm saying is we got the browns back. and no matter how bad it's been since coming back, you can't blame that on modell. bad coaches, good coaches getting fired. bad draft picks. etc. etc. all have contributed to this fiasco. but to walk around with all the hate and blame will only lead to an aneurism, stroke or heart attack. slow it the fuck down. relax. have a smoke. it's 4:20 somewhere. (well it was 1/2 hour ago).
he made it a point to leave all the records and titles and colors and name behind. he could've moved the team kept everything and the new team coulda been named the baltimore browns. how about that?
Afaik, Those were exactly his intentions.
They were all set to start selling Baltimore Browns gear and the City of Cleveland sued him for breaking the stadium lease.
Then they came to terms that Cleveland would keep the history,colors etc. and Modell would be allowed to leave.
So it's not like he threw us a bone,pun intended... he wanted the whole enchilada.
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^^^That's such a gross oversimplification. He isn't just some dead guy. Benedict Arnold wasn't just some dead guy. He was a fucking traitor, and his name is still used to describe people like him 200 years later. Modell committed the worst sin that could be committed in the NFL, and this is how he's going to be remembered for it.
dude, i know all of this. why should you care, you weren't even a fan then.
listen i 'hate' people. not in a true sense, but like when you're speeding along the highway and some asshole is doing 55 in the left lane and the other 2 lanes are blocked.......and you flash your brights or honk your horn but the person is oblivious to the fact that you want to run them the fuck off the road. yeah i 'hate' that person. then. 5 minutes later i forget all about the prick. i 'hate' people that walk 3 across the sidewalks but because there are 3 of them they won't move making you step into the street or into dog shit by a tree. yeah i 'hate' people. but 5 minutes later i forget about the fucks.
granted modell took about 6 years to get over BUT it's over. sure he'll always be remembered as the guy who took a team from cleveland. a weasel maybe. a traitor????? i don't know. he made it a point to leave all the records and titles and colors and name behind. he could've moved the team kept everything and the new team coulda been named the baltimore browns. how about that?
all i'm saying is we got the browns back. and no matter how bad it's been since coming back, you can't blame that on modell. bad coaches, good coaches getting fired. bad draft picks. etc. etc. all have contributed to this fiasco. but to walk around with all the hate and blame will only lead to an aneurism, stroke or heart attack. slow it the fuck down. relax. have a smoke. it's 4:20 somewhere. (well it was 1/2 hour ago).
dude, i know all of this. why should you care, you weren't even a fan then.
listen i 'hate' people. not in a true sense, but like when you're speeding along the highway and some asshole is doing 55 in the left lane and the other 2 lanes are blocked.......and you flash your brights or honk your horn but the person is oblivious to the fact that you want to run them the fuck off the road. yeah i 'hate' that person. then. 5 minutes later i forget all about the prick. i 'hate' people that walk 3 across the sidewalks but because there are 3 of them they won't move making you step into the street or into dog shit by a tree. yeah i 'hate' people. but 5 minutes later i forget about the fucks.
granted modell took about 6 years to get over BUT it's over. sure he'll always be remembered as the guy who took a team from cleveland. a weasel maybe. a traitor????? i don't know. he made it a point to leave all the records and titles and colors and name behind. he could've moved the team kept everything and the new team coulda been named the baltimore browns. how about that?
all i'm saying is we got the browns back. and no matter how bad it's been since coming back, you can't blame that on modell. bad coaches, good coaches getting fired. bad draft picks. etc. etc. all have contributed to this fiasco. but to walk around with all the hate and blame will only lead to an aneurism, stroke or heart attack. slow it the fuck down. relax. have a smoke. it's 4:20 somewhere. (well it was 1/2 hour ago).
He probably should've kept the name. Then, maybe, I wouldn't have such high expectations for the team I root for, given its past greatness. None of that really matters to me, like you said, I wasn't even a fan then. What matters is what happened when I was a fan. I was 9 years old when the team got taken away. Given what I've learned about the situation, no one was more to blame, more selfish than him.
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Guys over 200 Games have been played since we've came back... I know this because coming up against the Eagles; our very own Phil Dawson will make his 200th Start!!! That's the way we metaphorically kick Modell ass and memory out of Cleveland forever. Modell may have taken the team from the city but... he could never take the team from the city. It's a wash now; Now lets go win our Championship.
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^Worse than Modell?
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What this man did to this city?...are you people fuckin crazy?...He raped this city while he was here...when he moved the Browns...Im My mind...that erased any good hes hes ever done...Piss on you,Art!
Nickers...."There are no old running QB's in the NFL "~Sam Rutigliano~ -
Friends of the AFC North,
Legend has it that Art Modell talked Art Rooney into moving to the new AFC with him to avail himself of the financial rewards and continue the rivalry, which to that point had gone the Browns' way. Our position in the league and best record since the merger might have been very different if our Art Rooney hadn't listened. Say what you will about Art Modell, but we owe him a debt of gratitude.
With respect Mr. Modell, rest in peace.
From Dan Rooney...http://www.steelers.com/news/article...6-e6d8dd2659b7
"Art Modell was a good friend to our family and he will be sadly missed. He was instrumental in helping the National Football League become what it is today, and he always had the league’s best interest at hand. Our thoughts and prayers go out to his entire family as he will be missed dearly by the Steelers organization and the Rooney family."
Every post I have read on Steeler boards echoes that sentiment.
Here is to much success with your new ownership and a renewal of the intense rivalry we have enjoyed in the past.
Best,
Vincent
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What this man did to this city?...are you people fuckin crazy?...He raped this city while he was here...when he moved the Browns...Im My mind...that erased any good hes hes ever done...Piss on you,Art!
What this man did to this city?...are you people fuckin crazy?...He raped this city while he was here...when he moved the Browns...Im My mind...that erased any good hes hes ever done...Piss on you,Art!
you've got problems. hopefully you don't have any firearms.
wouldn't want to be at mcdonalds that day when you show up with an ouzi and take out 20 people cuz your fries were cold.
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What this man did to this city?...are you people fuckin crazy?...He raped this city while he was here...when he moved the Browns...Im My mind...that erased any good hes hes ever done...Piss on you,Art!
you've got problems. hopefully you don't have any firearms.
wouldn't want to be at mcdonalds that day when you show up with an ouzi and take out 20 people cuz your fries were cold.
you've got problems. hopefully you don't have any firearms.
wouldn't want to be at mcdonalds that day when you show up with an ouzi and take out 20 people cuz your fries were cold.
You're accusing everyone who's got any passion about this topic of pulling a Columbine. Really? Weren't you the one that made the thread about Tim Tebow's Focus on the Family commercial? Indignation is part of life. Deal.
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Apparently, mik is angry that the Browns and even the dirtbag is getting more
attention than him.
Drop the violence insinuation, mik - it's stupid and uncalled for.
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count me as one among those here who think we should just let this go, and not feed the hate machine that is all things Modell. The family requests that we dont offer any memorials today
for the fear (Im sure) of the negative reaction.. CMON is that how we want to be thought of? well its too late... we will be seen as classless bunch because we havent learned to move on... sheesh
SO yes we had our hearts ripped out with the move... Show a BIGGER heart to prove that we are
over it and give the man the respect as a guy like the rest of us who loved football.
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count me as one among those here who think we should just let this go, and not feed the hate machine that is all things Modell. The family requests that we dont offer any memorials today
for the fear (Im sure) of the negative reaction.. CMON is that how we want to be thought of? well its too late... we will be seen as classless bunch because we havent learned to move on... sheesh
SO yes we had our hearts ripped out with the move... Show a BIGGER heart to prove that we are
over it and give the man the respect as a guy like the rest of us who loved football.
count me as one among those here who think we should just let this go, and not feed the hate machine that is all things Modell. The family requests that we dont offer any memorials today
for the fear (Im sure) of the negative reaction.. CMON is that how we want to be thought of? well its too late... we will be seen as classless bunch because we havent learned to move on... sheesh
SO yes we had our hearts ripped out with the move... Show a BIGGER heart to prove that we are
over it and give the man the respect as a guy like the rest of us who loved football.
I really can't stand this "Be the bigger man" mentality. Yeah, your feelings are hurt, "just rise above it. Just pretend it doesn't hurt. It'll just go away."
Bottling your emotion isn't healthy. Being pressured by the NFL to pay respects to a guy who screwed us is something I find completely demeaning and disrespectful to myself and the city. It's a false show of emotion, and it just goes to show you that the NFL and ESPN care more about political correctness than, you know, being honest. The national media would have made us out to be assholes like they always do (remember the kid getting tackled, remember people burning lebron jerseys?). To hell with being the bigger man and to hell with the national media. I don't have to respect the guy because he's dead, now. Pretending that you have respect for someone you don't is NOT a healthy way of dealing with your pent up anger.
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Holding a grudge for 16 years especially since the browns are now back isn't healthy either, vapor.
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At the request of the Modell family, Cleveland will be the only team without a moment of silence.
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At the request of the Modell family, Cleveland will be the only team without a moment of silence.
Smokin said:
At the request of the Modell family, Cleveland will be the only team without a moment of silence.
This is one Modell family decision I agree with. Would have made us look bad. There is no reason for us to honor this a-hole.
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I agree too. I can see that moment of silence or anything like that going totally bad here in Cleveland.
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this was posted on www.reddit.com/r/nfl and I thought you'd like to read it:
I can't believe the NFL, I can't help but think that Cleveland is just seen as a whipping post to the NFL leadership. They oversaw the Browns move and allowed it to happen. A move that was motivated by the owner being stupid with his business practices and was doing what he could to avoid bankruptcy. Because of his mistakes he decided to punish an entire fanbase and then ended up STILL having to sell the team a couple years later. Even with the amazing deal he got for moving the team he couldn't afford to keep it.
Many of you may say that he moved because Cleveland refused to give him a new stadium. Despite the "facts" the media is manufacturing after his death this is untrue. He was offered a spot in the Gateway project that gave the Indians a new field and the Cavs a new arena. He refused because he'd be expected to actually pay money for a lease instead of getting it basically free and bleeding the city and the Indians for more money. Source.
Many are also seeing reports from the media that Modell basically "let" us keep our history and team name out of the goodness of his heart. This is also untrue, the city had to fight him to keep them. He also broke a lease agreement and the city had to sue him to get him to honor his agreement there. Source.
The NFL then allowed friend and business partner of Modell, Al Lerner, to become the owner of the new team. This is a guy that actually assisted in the move of the original Browns so he could later become the owner of the new team.
Now that Modell has died I'd very much prefer if we could just move on. The only problem is that the media has changed the story on what has happened with the move. I don't know if this is under pressure from the NFL but what other reason would they have for trying to change history? Also, the NFL has stepped in and isn't allowing fans to just move on. Initially sources were saying that the Browns had no plans to honor Modell. Now, after an NFL message "asking" the teams to honor him in some, appropriate way the Browns are saying they'll be doing something in his honor. That sounds very much like the NFL is pressuring the Browns FO to do this. There's no proof of this and never will be but it's extremely suspicious. I'm not saying there shouldn't be a tribute because I hate him, I'm not going to include my opinion of the man in this post. I'm saying the NFL knows what kind of reaction the Cleveland fanbase will give and is still pressuring the Browns to do something. They know it will make us look like shit and they don't care. It won't be all Browns fans booing and making noise but in a silent stadium a couple thousand people yelling will be easily heard. They seem to like having a whipping boy around, it's good for media attention.
Sorry this rant got so long but it's getting ridiculous and I'm hoping people will try to see things from our point of view.
one of the worst reads ever.
i know this hits clevelanders a lot harder than those fans living outside the region so i've made an effort as to stand back a little as far as my comments go just because i wasn't there. that being said yes he was on one hand the biggest scumbage in cleveland history. but on the other hand he was one of the best owners the franchise has ever seen. didn't we see a championship under his reign? didn't we have the sipe and cardiac kids? the kosar era? if not for a couple of bungled plays we could have easily been in 3 super bowls. then there is what he did for football outside of cleveland.
watching it from afar, seeing everything unfold via news articles and national sports tv, i truly put more blame on the city of cleveland and their city council and especially the mayor, who when he spoke was basically drawing a line in the sand. "wouldn't give in". "not be hussled" and then after weeks and months of hearing this and not getting what he needed modell was on tv saying "i'm not going to sit here and beg and plead like a little child for what i think this team deserves" kinda told me the team was gone.
yes he does deserve the HOF. he did then and does now. if anyone should've been burned in effigy it should've benn mayor blackie white.
btw. it's not just the browns doing a moment of silence for modell it's every team in the league. i'm sure goodell was a teeneager in the nfl offices running errands for the big boys while rozell and tagliabu were still at the helm so he must have seen modell many times in those offices. i'm sure he has first hand knowledge of what modell did for this league. that's why the moment of silence is being done league wide.
one of the worst reads ever.
i know this hits clevelanders a lot harder than those fans living outside the region so i've made an effort as to stand back a little as far as my comments go just because i wasn't there. that being said yes he was on one hand the biggest scumbage in cleveland history. but on the other hand he was one of the best owners the franchise has ever seen. didn't we see a championship under his reign? didn't we have the sipe and cardiac kids? the kosar era? if not for a couple of bungled plays we could have easily been in 3 super bowls. then there is what he did for football outside of cleveland.
watching it from afar, seeing everything unfold via news articles and national sports tv, i truly put more blame on the city of cleveland and their city council and especially the mayor, who when he spoke was basically drawing a line in the sand. "wouldn't give in". "not be hussled" and then after weeks and months of hearing this and not getting what he needed modell was on tv saying "i'm not going to sit here and beg and plead like a little child for what i think this team deserves" kinda told me the team was gone.
yes he does deserve the HOF. he did then and does now. if anyone should've been burned in effigy it should've benn mayor blackie white.
btw. it's not just the browns doing a moment of silence for modell it's every team in the league. i'm sure goodell was a teeneager in the nfl offices running errands for the big boys while rozell and tagliabu were still at the helm so he must have seen modell many times in those offices. i'm sure he has first hand knowledge of what modell did for this league. that's why the moment of silence is being done league wide.
If he deserves the HOF, then at the same time they put him in they must also induct Robert Irsay, Georgia Frontiere, Bill Bidwill, Bud Adams and others.....because that is the company he keeps.
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Friends of the AFC North,
Legend has it that Art Modell talked Art Rooney into moving to the new AFC with him to avail himself of the financial rewards and continue the rivalry, which to that point had gone the Browns' way. Our position in the league and best record since the merger might have been very different if our Art Rooney hadn't listened. Say what you will about Art Modell, but we owe him a debt of gratitude.
With respect Mr. Modell, rest in peace.
From Dan Rooney...http://www.steelers.com/news/article...6-e6d8dd2659b7
"Art Modell was a good friend to our family and he will be sadly missed. He was instrumental in helping the National Football League become what it is today, and he always had the league’s best interest at hand. Our thoughts and prayers go out to his entire family as he will be missed dearly by the Steelers organization and the Rooney family."
Every post I have read on Steeler boards echoes that sentiment.
Here is to much success with your new ownership and a renewal of the intense rivalry we have enjoyed in the past.
Best,
Vincent
Friends of the AFC North,
Legend has it that Art Modell talked Art Rooney into moving to the new AFC with him to avail himself of the financial rewards and continue the rivalry, which to that point had gone the Browns' way. Our position in the league and best record since the merger might have been very different if our Art Rooney hadn't listened. Say what you will about Art Modell, but we owe him a debt of gratitude.
With respect Mr. Modell, rest in peace.
From Dan Rooney...http://www.steelers.com/news/article...6-e6d8dd2659b7
"Art Modell was a good friend to our family and he will be sadly missed. He was instrumental in helping the National Football League become what it is today, and he always had the league’s best interest at hand. Our thoughts and prayers go out to his entire family as he will be missed dearly by the Steelers organization and the Rooney family."
Every post I have read on Steeler boards echoes that sentiment.
Here is to much success with your new ownership and a renewal of the intense rivalry we have enjoyed in the past.
Best,
Vincent
Fair enough
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Formerly Sane said:
I sincerely can't grasp how so many of you feel. The guy was loved and respected by so many, including most of you until he did what he felt he had to.
The city so many of you call home continues to affect your lives in many ways, most of them negative, but you cheer and make ignorant comments about a man's death.....a man you used to love?
It's funny that the facts surrounding the departure of the Browns is seen by everyone in the football world on one end of a spectrum and seen at the extreme opposite end by Cleveland. Doesn't that tell you something?
When Ozzie talks about what a genuine human being Art was, do you also hate Ozzie?
A. Just because a guy does so many "good" things in his life doesn't mean that he shouldn't be judged for the bad things he does. Like Jerry Sandusky. Many called him a genuine, nice human being. Loved by his colleagues and players. Pedophile.
Art Modell, loved by players and colleagues. But whatever pejorative you can use about him, that is what he is. He wasn't thought highly enough of by his fellow owners not to have them vote to have him kicked out of the league.
B. That in NOT just a Cleveland view....trust me. Not everyone in the football world thought that much of him.
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