Is Brandon Weeden A Franchise Quarterback?
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Playing in the shadow of an exceptional rookie class with no supporting cast has given Brandon Weeden a bad reputation.
Just because Weeden didn’t shine as brightly as the likes of Luck, RG3 and Wilson last season, doesn’t mean he’s a bust who has no hope of leading the Browns to post-season success. Weeden’s somewhat up and down rookie year doesn’t mean he won’t build upon it and improve. His numbers stand tall next to five of the last six Super Bowl winning quarterback’s first year numbers; did Drew Brees, Eli Manning or Joe Flacco look like they were going to become Super Bowl MVP’s after their first season? Heck, the last two of those didn’t look like they were going to become Super Bowl MVP’s after week 17 of the year they won it, let alone after their first year starting under center. Peyton Manning lead the Colts to three wins in his rookie year and threw 28 interceptions; that’s two less wins and 11 more picks than Weeden yet no one was screaming for the Colts to draft another quarterback in the 1999 NFL Draft. Times have changed; we live in the Twitter age where up-to-the-second news is the norm, where quarterbacks don’t sit for a season, where expectations are high from the outset. Brandon Weeden didn’t have half as bad of a rookie campaign as some would like to believe and there’s nothing to say that he won’t lead the Cleveland Browns to a Super Bowl in his career (well, maybe the high interception number could be a sign of things to come but that aside). Weeden was unfortunate to come out in the greatest quarterback draft class in NFL history alongside Andrew Luck, RG3 and Russell Wilson; had Weeden been able to stay in school another year and enter this years’ draft, he would be the highest rated quarterback on the board, higher than Geno Smith....:
http://www.downattheone.com/NFL/Is-Brandon-Weeden-a-franchise-quarterback
Playing in the shadow of an exceptional rookie class with no supporting cast has given Brandon Weeden a bad reputation.
Just because Weeden didn’t shine as brightly as the likes of Luck, RG3 and Wilson last season, doesn’t mean he’s a bust who has no hope of leading the Browns to post-season success. Weeden’s somewhat up and down rookie year doesn’t mean he won’t build upon it and improve. His numbers stand tall next to five of the last six Super Bowl winning quarterback’s first year numbers; did Drew Brees, Eli Manning or Joe Flacco look like they were going to become Super Bowl MVP’s after their first season? Heck, the last two of those didn’t look like they were going to become Super Bowl MVP’s after week 17 of the year they won it, let alone after their first year starting under center. Peyton Manning lead the Colts to three wins in his rookie year and threw 28 interceptions; that’s two less wins and 11 more picks than Weeden yet no one was screaming for the Colts to draft another quarterback in the 1999 NFL Draft. Times have changed; we live in the Twitter age where up-to-the-second news is the norm, where quarterbacks don’t sit for a season, where expectations are high from the outset. Brandon Weeden didn’t have half as bad of a rookie campaign as some would like to believe and there’s nothing to say that he won’t lead the Cleveland Browns to a Super Bowl in his career (well, maybe the high interception number could be a sign of things to come but that aside). Weeden was unfortunate to come out in the greatest quarterback draft class in NFL history alongside Andrew Luck, RG3 and Russell Wilson; had Weeden been able to stay in school another year and enter this years’ draft, he would be the highest rated quarterback on the board, higher than Geno Smith....:
http://www.downattheone.com/NFL/Is-Brandon-Weeden-a-franchise-quarterback
Go back a few weeks to see my thread where I compared the statistics of BW3s first year to a number of HOF caliber QBs. His numbers stood up to them. It is just, as mentioned, that he came in in a year full of abnormally above average performances by rookie QBs.
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Playing in the shadow of an exceptional rookie class with no supporting cast has given Brandon Weeden a bad reputation.
Just because Weeden didn’t shine as brightly as the likes of Luck, RG3 and Wilson last season, doesn’t mean he’s a bust who has no hope of leading the Browns to post-season success. Weeden’s somewhat up and down rookie year doesn’t mean he won’t build upon it and improve. His numbers stand tall next to five of the last six Super Bowl winning quarterback’s first year numbers; did Drew Brees, Eli Manning or Joe Flacco look like they were going to become Super Bowl MVP’s after their first season? Heck, the last two of those didn’t look like they were going to become Super Bowl MVP’s after week 17 of the year they won it, let alone after their first year starting under center. Peyton Manning lead the Colts to three wins in his rookie year and threw 28 interceptions; that’s two less wins and 11 more picks than Weeden yet no one was screaming for the Colts to draft another quarterback in the 1999 NFL Draft. Times have changed; we live in the Twitter age where up-to-the-second news is the norm, where quarterbacks don’t sit for a season, where expectations are high from the outset. Brandon Weeden didn’t have half as bad of a rookie campaign as some would like to believe and there’s nothing to say that he won’t lead the Cleveland Browns to a Super Bowl in his career (well, maybe the high interception number could be a sign of things to come but that aside). Weeden was unfortunate to come out in the greatest quarterback draft class in NFL history alongside Andrew Luck, RG3 and Russell Wilson; had Weeden been able to stay in school another year and enter this years’ draft, he would be the highest rated quarterback on the board, higher than Geno Smith....:
http://www.downattheone.com/NFL/Is-Brandon-Weeden-a-franchise-quarterback
Playing in the shadow of an exceptional rookie class with no supporting cast has given Brandon Weeden a bad reputation.
Just because Weeden didn’t shine as brightly as the likes of Luck, RG3 and Wilson last season, doesn’t mean he’s a bust who has no hope of leading the Browns to post-season success. Weeden’s somewhat up and down rookie year doesn’t mean he won’t build upon it and improve. His numbers stand tall next to five of the last six Super Bowl winning quarterback’s first year numbers; did Drew Brees, Eli Manning or Joe Flacco look like they were going to become Super Bowl MVP’s after their first season? Heck, the last two of those didn’t look like they were going to become Super Bowl MVP’s after week 17 of the year they won it, let alone after their first year starting under center. Peyton Manning lead the Colts to three wins in his rookie year and threw 28 interceptions; that’s two less wins and 11 more picks than Weeden yet no one was screaming for the Colts to draft another quarterback in the 1999 NFL Draft. Times have changed; we live in the Twitter age where up-to-the-second news is the norm, where quarterbacks don’t sit for a season, where expectations are high from the outset. Brandon Weeden didn’t have half as bad of a rookie campaign as some would like to believe and there’s nothing to say that he won’t lead the Cleveland Browns to a Super Bowl in his career (well, maybe the high interception number could be a sign of things to come but that aside). Weeden was unfortunate to come out in the greatest quarterback draft class in NFL history alongside Andrew Luck, RG3 and Russell Wilson; had Weeden been able to stay in school another year and enter this years’ draft, he would be the highest rated quarterback on the board, higher than Geno Smith....:
Absolutely not! You can blame his "supporting cast" all you want, but there was times he had time to throwand make the right decisions that even an average Qb could of made and he didn't. The biggest problem is his age. And imo his time is running out quickly.
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Playing in the shadow of an exceptional rookie class with no supporting cast has given Brandon Weeden a bad reputation.
Just because Weeden didn’t shine as brightly as the likes of Luck, RG3 and Wilson last season, doesn’t mean he’s a bust who has no hope of leading the Browns to post-season success. Weeden’s somewhat up and down rookie year doesn’t mean he won’t build upon it and improve. His numbers stand tall next to five of the last six Super Bowl winning quarterback’s first year numbers; did Drew Brees, Eli Manning or Joe Flacco look like they were going to become Super Bowl MVP’s after their first season? Heck, the last two of those didn’t look like they were going to become Super Bowl MVP’s after week 17 of the year they won it, let alone after their first year starting under center. Peyton Manning lead the Colts to three wins in his rookie year and threw 28 interceptions; that’s two less wins and 11 more picks than Weeden yet no one was screaming for the Colts to draft another quarterback in the 1999 NFL Draft. Times have changed; we live in the Twitter age where up-to-the-second news is the norm, where quarterbacks don’t sit for a season, where expectations are high from the outset. Brandon Weeden didn’t have half as bad of a rookie campaign as some would like to believe and there’s nothing to say that he won’t lead the Cleveland Browns to a Super Bowl in his career (well, maybe the high interception number could be a sign of things to come but that aside). Weeden was unfortunate to come out in the greatest quarterback draft class in NFL history alongside Andrew Luck, RG3 and Russell Wilson; had Weeden been able to stay in school another year and enter this years’ draft, he would be the highest rated quarterback on the board, higher than Geno Smith....:
Absolutely not! You can blame his "supporting cast" all you want, but there was times he had time to throwand make the right decisions that even an average Qb could of made and he didn't. The biggest problem is his age. And imo his time is running out quickly.
Absolutely not! You can blame his "supporting cast" all you want, but there was times he had time to throwand make the right decisions that even an average Qb could of made and he didn't. The biggest problem is his age. And imo his time is running out quickly.
Some of you people just dont get it...LOL
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but to all you mccoy haters (and i'm sure this is fodder for PoG) you can't compare mccoy's starts vs. weeden's starts given the talent weeden now has compared to what mccoy had.
it's night and day.
Excuse me? Where is all this talent Weeden had last year compared to what McCoy had?? That statement baffles me...
Weeden was throwing the ball to (deep inhale) a rookie who didn't even have a training camp, a 2nd year guy who couldn't hold onto a ball until late in the year, another rookie who is raw as ever and ran imprecise routes and was oft injured, the same TE - just one year older, Cribbs??? who never developed into a real WR, and let's see... who else... ohh ya Norwood - they both had him, he's okay as a depth guy. Talk about RB... Richardson, who Weeden was throwing to was injured the whole year compared to McCoy who was throwing to Hillis who caught every damn ball near him and turned it up field for 10 yards... The O-line is basically a wash as both QBs had equally sufficient time in the pocket. Did I miss something?? None of Weeden's "talent" around him was anywhwere near developed last season. Hopefully a full training camp, with two REAL coaches teaching them offense will help these guys develop. But, all-in-all, I can't believe this argument still exists...
just sayin'
Excuse me? Where is all this talent Weeden had last year compared to what McCoy had?? That statement baffles me...
Weeden was throwing the ball to (deep inhale) a rookie who didn't even have a training camp, a 2nd year guy who couldn't hold onto a ball until late in the year, another rookie who is raw as ever and ran imprecise routes and was oft injured, the same TE - just one year older, Cribbs??? who never developed into a real WR, and let's see... who else... ohh ya Norwood - they both had him, he's okay as a depth guy. Talk about RB... Richardson, who Weeden was throwing to was injured the whole year compared to McCoy who was throwing to Hillis who caught every damn ball near him and turned it up field for 10 yards... The O-line is basically a wash as both QBs had equally sufficient time in the pocket. Did I miss something?? None of Weeden's "talent" around him was anywhwere near developed last season. Hopefully a full training camp, with two REAL coaches teaching them offense will help these guys develop. But, all-in-all, I can't believe this argument still exists...
just sayin'
you're comparison of TR and hillis is laughable. the only wr he had was massaqua and we all know he wasn't a number one. watson was his only real target. litlle played scared.
i'm not saying mccoy was ever our guy. but to all those conspiracy theorists there was never an open and fair competition between the 2. something that might come back to bite this FO in the future.
weeden is our guy and i'll stand behind him, that is until he throws 5 pick 6's through 4 games and then i'll be revving up the 'get him the fuck out of town!!' train.
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Why would I become a 49ers fan? Does the fact that we totally goofed up the position, traded the only good QB we had for peanuts, suddenly require me to root for a terrible QB in Weeden? No, I'll not support that chump until he actually proves to me that he deserves a spot on anything other than practice field or a pitching mound... while I said that I'd have to go with Weeden in my "Go, Ginger, Go" remark, that was all in jest as I didn't actually believe that we'd pull such a boneheaded maneuver. Rooting for Weeden is like cheering for Forest Gump, only without all the charitable feelings and sentimental value.
Why would I become a 49ers fan? Does the fact that we totally goofed up the position, traded the only good QB we had for peanuts, suddenly require me to root for a terrible QB in Weeden? No, I'll not support that chump until he actually proves to me that he deserves a spot on anything other than practice field or a pitching mound... while I said that I'd have to go with Weeden in my "Go, Ginger, Go" remark, that was all in jest as I didn't actually believe that we'd pull such a boneheaded maneuver. Rooting for Weeden is like cheering for Forest Gump, only without all the charitable feelings and sentimental value.
Serious question for you poetic... what do you know that the entire Browns staff does not know? They decided Colt was not a good QB and they have (I'm guessing) infinitely more experience than you do.
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First off---I like Colt; I really do.
He's tough, great attitude, classy(although daddy and little brother seem to be douches),
lots of moxie(if I ever use the word 'moxie' again in my lifetime, someone please kill me).
However, I too don't get the perception among some that Weeden had all of this superior
talent at his disposal. What they did have in common was the same horrible coach and
offensive philosophy.
As to '...giving Colt away for peanuts...'---we got two late round draft picks and in my
humble opinion, we were lucky to get that. I honestly felt that the only way we would
get anything for Colt was if another team had two of their quarterbacks go down in training
camp and offered us something out of desperation. People need to get that through their heads--
NO ONE was beating down our door trying to get Colt.
Did he get the shitty end of the stick while in Cleveland? Probably. There certainly wasn't
much of a 'competition' in last years training camp. Welcome to the NFL. He was going against
a first round pick in a league where teams hold onto QB's 2 or 3 years longer than they should
simply because they were a first round pick. Chud and Turner no doubt looked at lots of film
and made the determination that Colt wasn't a good fit here. Anyone who disagrees should go
to Berea and apply for the job.
FWIW, I don't think we have the QB who's going to take us to the Super Bowl on our roster.
Life as a Browns fan.
First off---I like Colt; I really do.
He's tough, great attitude, classy(although daddy and little brother seem to be douches),
lots of moxie(if I ever use the word 'moxie' again in my lifetime, someone please kill me).
However, I too don't get the perception among some that Weeden had all of this superior
talent at his disposal. What they did have in common was the same horrible coach and
offensive philosophy.
As to '...giving Colt away for peanuts...'---we got two late round draft picks and in my
humble opinion, we were lucky to get that. I honestly felt that the only way we would
get anything for Colt was if another team had two of their quarterbacks go down in training
camp and offered us something out of desperation. People need to get that through their heads--
NO ONE was beating down our door trying to get Colt.
Did he get the shitty end of the stick while in Cleveland? Probably. There certainly wasn't
much of a 'competition' in last years training camp. Welcome to the NFL. He was going against
a first round pick in a league where teams hold onto QB's 2 or 3 years longer than they should
simply because they were a first round pick. Chud and Turner no doubt looked at lots of film
and made the determination that Colt wasn't a good fit here. Anyone who disagrees should go
to Berea and apply for the job.
FWIW, I don't think we have the QB who's going to take us to the Super Bowl on our roster.
Life as a Browns fan.
^+1, well said, guy. I'm not sold on Weeden either, but let's at least give him 1\2 of this season to prove if he sucks or not. I wouldn't doubt Chud will bench him in favor of Campbell if he does.
you're comparison of TR and hillis is laughable. the only wr he had was massaqua and we all know he wasn't a number one. watson was his only real target. litlle played scared.
i'm not saying mccoy was ever our guy. but to all those conspiracy theorists there was never an open and fair competition between the 2. something that might come back to bite this FO in the future.
weeden is our guy and i'll stand behind him, that is until he throws 5 pick 6's through 4 games and then i'll be revving up the 'get him the fuck out of town!!' train.
"Chud and Turner no doubt looked at lots of film and made the determination that Colt wasn't a good fit here. Anyone who disagrees should go to Berea and apply for the job." Mr Ace. Norv worked with Troy Aikman and Phillip Rivers- I would think he knows what a decent qb looks like, and should do on film. Not only that mik- Holmgren and Heckert looked at a lot of film before they drafted Weeden on top of that. Their drafting of Weedster meant they didn't think there was a snowball's chance in hell of Colt ever developing into a quality starting NFL qb. Mangini was ho- hum on the Colt too, if you remember.
Really, this is starting to get worse than the Brady Quinn homo fan club. Life isn't fair, and if anyone in the league thought Colt was worth more than a seventh round pick- we would have gotten better for him. We're lucky we even got scraps- better qbs than McCoy- Fitzpatrick and Kolb come to mind- got flat-out released. He'll never see the field in SF unless Kaepernic gets hurt. You notice some Niner fans aren't even certain McCoy can beat out Scott "WHO?" Tolzien for the backup job?
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hoorta i have no problem with colt being gone. i have no problem with anyone getting the axe or getting acquired as long as they help the browns win.
my problem is with these FO guys )now and in the past) especially banner and to some degree chud who said (and it's documented):
1. we will not add another QB to the roster before training camp to compete
2. we will not get rid of any QB before training camp
i know biz is biz but shut your fucking hole if you know it's a bold faced lie, because people will remember what you said and will call you on it at a later date.
and knowing that he/they said those things and actually did both of those things without an explanation or a retraction from their earlier statements pisses me off. i just hate shady people. and banner is starting to look like one to me.
of course norv and chud and banner have way more experience than anyone here when it comes to player personnel decisions. all i ask is that they just take a course in public speaking. cuz a lot of these guys would have failed as politicians getting caught in the old 'mis-speak' game.
and as for the quiff versus doofus debates......glad i wasn't here for that.
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Excuse me? Where is all this talent Weeden had last year compared to what McCoy had?? That statement baffles me...
Weeden was throwing the ball to (deep inhale) a rookie who didn't even have a training camp, a 2nd year guy who couldn't hold onto a ball until late in the year, another rookie who is raw as ever and ran imprecise routes and was oft injured, the same TE - just one year older, Cribbs??? who never developed into a real WR, and let's see... who else... ohh ya Norwood - they both had him, he's okay as a depth guy. Talk about RB... Richardson, who Weeden was throwing to was injured the whole year compared to McCoy who was throwing to Hillis who caught every damn ball near him and turned it up field for 10 yards... The O-line is basically a wash as both QBs had equally sufficient time in the pocket. Did I miss something?? None of Weeden's "talent" around him was anywhwere near developed last season. Hopefully a full training camp, with two REAL coaches teaching them offense will help these guys develop. But, all-in-all, I can't believe this argument still exists...
just sayin'
you're comparison of TR and hillis is laughable. the only wr he had was massaqua and we all know he wasn't a number one. watson was his only real target. litlle played scared.
i'm not saying mccoy was ever our guy. but to all those conspiracy theorists there was never an open and fair competition between the 2. something that might come back to bite this FO in the future.
weeden is our guy and i'll stand behind him, that is until he throws 5 pick 6's through 4 games and then i'll be revving up the 'get him the fuck out of town!!' train.
you're comparison of TR and hillis is laughable
Hillis in 2010 with McCoy
270 carries, 1177 yds, 11 TDs
61 catches 477 yds, 2 TDs
Richardson in 2012 with Weeden
267 carries, 950 yds, 11 TDs
51 catches, 367 yds, 1 TD
So, Weeden got
227 less rushing yds
10 less catches
110 less receiving yards
1 less TD
I'm not comparing their talent or potential, just the stats. So, it's laughable b/c it's true???
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you're comparison of TR and hillis is laughable
Hillis in 2010 with McCoy
270 carries, 1177 yds, 11 TDs
61 catches 477 yds, 2 TDs
Richardson in 2012 with Weeden
267 carries, 950 yds, 11 TDs
51 catches, 367 yds, 1 TD
So, Weeden got
227 less rushing yds
10 less catches
110 less receiving yards
1 less TD
I'm not comparing their talent or potential, just the stats. So, it's laughable b/c it's true???
Hillis in 2010 with McCoy
270 carries, 1177 yds, 11 TDs
61 catches 477 yds, 2 TDs
Richardson in 2012 with Weeden
267 carries, 950 yds, 11 TDs
51 catches, 367 yds, 1 TD
So, Weeden got
227 less rushing yds
10 less catches
110 less receiving yards
1 less TD
I'm not comparing their talent or potential, just the stats. So, it's laughable b/c it's true???
you got me there, no doubt.
i just think (and it sure looked it)weedem's offensive weapons were much more skilled and played better (esp. little) than anyone ever did for mccoy. hell at least our wideouts showed some separation from defenders which was never there the previous 2 years.
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Exactly...
All judgements on Weeden need to be put on hold till we see how he does this season.
Not me.
Weeden is a 1970's QB. He runs like he has a piano on his back. The game has passed by guys like Weeden. Nowadays, you can throw like Unitas or Namath, but you'd better be able to move better than them. Weeden is slow on foot and in the helmet. (But he has a cannon of an arm... LOL)
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Exactly...
All judgements on Weeden need to be put on hold till we see how he does this season.
Not me.
Weeden is a 1970's QB. He runs like he has a piano on his back. The game has passed by guys like Weeden. Nowadays, you can throw like Unitas or Namath, but you'd better be able to move better than them. Weeden is slow on foot and in the helmet. (But he has a cannon of an arm... LOL)
Not me.
Weeden is a 1970's QB. He runs like he has a piano on his back. The game has passed by guys like Weeden. Nowadays, you can throw like Unitas or Namath, but you'd better be able to move better than them. Weeden is slow on foot and in the helmet. (But he has a cannon of an arm... LOL)
Manning, Manning & Brady ... 6 rings in the last decade.
Joe Flacco current ring holder.
They all run like deer.
Zombo
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Not me.
Weeden is a 1970's QB. He runs like he has a piano on his back. The game has passed by guys like Weeden. Nowadays, you can throw like Unitas or Namath, but you'd better be able to move better than them. Weeden is slow on foot and in the helmet. (But he has a cannon of an arm... LOL)
Manning, Manning & Brady ... 6 rings in the last decade.
Joe Flacco current ring holder.
They all run like deer.
Zombo
Zombo said:
Manning, Manning & Brady ... 6 rings in the last decade.
Joe Flacco current ring holder.
They all run like deer.
Zombo
Flacco is more athletic than he gets credit for, but yes...good point. At the end of the day, being a QB is still about the arm.
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hoorta i have no problem with colt being gone. i have no problem with anyone getting the axe or getting acquired as long as they help the browns win.
my problem is with these FO guys )now and in the past) especially banner and to some degree chud who said (and it's documented):
1. we will not add another QB to the roster before training camp to compete
2. we will not get rid of any QB before training camp
i know biz is biz but shut your fucking hole if you know it's a bold faced lie, because people will remember what you said and will call you on it at a later date.
and knowing that he/they said those things and actually did both of those things without an explanation or a retraction from their earlier statements pisses me off. i just hate shady people. and banner is starting to look like one to me.
of course norv and chud and banner have way more experience than anyone here when it comes to player personnel decisions. all i ask is that they just take a course in public speaking. cuz a lot of these guys would have failed as politicians getting caught in the old 'mis-speak' game.
and as for the quiff versus doofus debates......glad i wasn't here for that.
hoorta i have no problem with colt being gone. i have no problem with anyone getting the axe or getting acquired as long as they help the browns win.
my problem is with these FO guys )now and in the past) especially banner and to some degree chud who said (and it's documented):
1. we will not add another QB to the roster before training camp to compete
2. we will not get rid of any QB before training camp
i know biz is biz but shut your fucking hole if you know it's a bold faced lie, because people will remember what you said and will call you on it at a later date.
and knowing that he/they said those things and actually did both of those things without an explanation or a retraction from their earlier statements pisses me off. i just hate shady people. and banner is starting to look like one to me.
of course norv and chud and banner have way more experience than anyone here when it comes to player personnel decisions. all i ask is that they just take a course in public speaking. cuz a lot of these guys would have failed as politicians getting caught in the old 'mis-speak' game.
and as for the quiff versus doofus debates......glad i wasn't here for that.
Peace, Mik. I see where you're coming from in that regard. Stuff like that obviously bothers you a lot more than it does me. I happen to agree with you about Banner- looks like a weasel, and speaks with forked tongue. My feeling is circumstances can make a liar out of you. Heck, the whole pre-draft hoopla is nothing more than lies and deliberate misinformation- no?
I wouldn't call ditching Colt addition by subtraction, but the Browns are certainly no worse off @ qb now than they were a few months ago.
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Not me.
Weeden is a 1970's QB. He runs like he has a piano on his back. The game has passed by guys like Weeden. Nowadays, you can throw like Unitas or Namath, but you'd better be able to move better than them. Weeden is slow on foot and in the helmet. (But he has a cannon of an arm... LOL)
Manning, Manning & Brady ... 6 rings in the last decade.
Joe Flacco current ring holder.
They all run like deer.
Zombo
Zombo said:
Manning, Manning & Brady ... 6 rings in the last decade.
Joe Flacco current ring holder.
They all run like deer.
Zombo
Yes, and then you have a guy like RGIII, who could run like a deer- until he got his knee blown out- then a few para Olympics guys beat him in the 40 in a wheelchair race in the Orthopedic Ward.
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you're comparison of TR and hillis is laughable
Hillis in 2010 with McCoy
270 carries, 1177 yds, 11 TDs
61 catches 477 yds, 2 TDs
Richardson in 2012 with Weeden
267 carries, 950 yds, 11 TDs
51 catches, 367 yds, 1 TD
So, Weeden got
227 less rushing yds
10 less catches
110 less receiving yards
1 less TD
I'm not comparing their talent or potential, just the stats. So, it's laughable b/c it's true???
Hillis in 2010 with McCoy
270 carries, 1177 yds, 11 TDs
61 catches 477 yds, 2 TDs
Richardson in 2012 with Weeden
267 carries, 950 yds, 11 TDs
51 catches, 367 yds, 1 TD
So, Weeden got
227 less rushing yds
10 less catches
110 less receiving yards
1 less TD
I'm not comparing their talent or potential, just the stats. So, it's laughable b/c it's true???
Looks to me like Richardson got 227 less rushing yards, 10 less catches, 110 less receiving yards and 1 less TD.
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Don't be jackasses. You're looking at Peyton Hillis' stats from 2010 the year Colt was a rookie with no reps with the starting team until the Pittsburgh game. Weeden had the #3 overall pick of the draft and future probowler in Trent Richardson, for god's fucking sake you bunch of sad sacks, Trent ran all season with broken ribs while Peyton sat out because he was "sick", pulled hammy, ect., ect... I supported the shit out of Hillis in 2010 but the dude couldn't hold a candle to what Trent Richardson brings when he's in the game. Learn your football... you "little lombardys".
I almost forgot... Weeden also knew that he would be the starting QB from day 1 simply from where he was picked in the draft. He took all the reps. Don't even try to compare Weeden's situation with Colt's, it's ubsurd.
The secret of getting ahead is getting started. The secret of getting started is breaking your complex overwhelming tasks into small manageable tasks, and then starting on the first one. -Mark Twain- "It's not the size of the dog in the fight, it's the size of the fight in the dog." -Mark Twain- -
I think you guys are being a bit prejudiced towards Banner. From what I've heard from the guy he's been pretty straight foward,sure you get your typical NFL charade but they all do that. I'm willing to give the guy the benefit of the doubt, sure he looks like a nerdy beady eyed jew, but I won't hold that against him.
I can't recall them ever stating they wouldn't add any new QB's, in fact the whole time since this new staff took over they've been saying they would, not directly but in that they never verbally committed to Weeden nor gave him much if any praise... so that tells you all you need to know.
Hillis had a hell of a year in 2010 but he blew his load and that's the best you are ever going to see from him.
You would expect Richardson to outperform Hillis' 2010 stats multiple times during his career, hopefully starting this season.
About the main topic, what exactly is a franchise Quarterback? Someone who can wins you games with his arm alone? Sure Weeden has the potential to be that, but he's 29 and you need more than just a QB - hell I think the standards have been raised on franchise QB's anyhow, in todays game you need the arm and the feet, e.g,Rodgers,Luck,Newton,RG3 ... the Mannings and Bradys are a dying breed.
Was Joe Montana a franchise QB? imo no... He was an excellent system QB with a great supporting cast, Marino was a franchise QB with no supporting cast.
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Not me.
Weeden is a 1970's QB. He runs like he has a piano on his back. The game has passed by guys like Weeden. Nowadays, you can throw like Unitas or Namath, but you'd better be able to move better than them. Weeden is slow on foot and in the helmet. (But he has a cannon of an arm... LOL)
Manning, Manning & Brady ... 6 rings in the last decade.
Joe Flacco current ring holder.
They all run like deer.
Zombo
Zombo said:
Manning, Manning & Brady ... 6 rings in the last decade.
Joe Flacco current ring holder.
They all run like deer.
Zombo
Slowness on foot and in the helmet is a bad combination.
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yeah if all it took was a strong arm guys like anderson and russell would be HOFers.
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Zombo said:
Manning, Manning & Brady ... 6 rings in the last decade.
Joe Flacco current ring holder.
They all run like deer.
Zombo
Slowness on foot and in the helmet is a bad combination.
Slowness on foot and in the helmet is a bad combination.
I don't think BW3 is slow in the helmet. He looked no worse than many rookie QBs over the years, adapting to a new program/lifelstyle etc.
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