Unit/roster Rankings
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There is some serious homer going on with the above. First and foremost Richardson is not better than Rice. Schwartz is not the best RT in the division either. There is more than a slight edge at WR after the Bengals and even then all they have is AJ Green at receiver. Sanu is still unproven and the other guys have done basically nothing. Corey Graham also is not better than Ike Taylor and you are bat sh.it crazy to put Taylor Mays or Ward ahead of Polamalu. The guy is a first ballot hall of famer and was healthy and as disruptive as ever to close out the year last season. Jackson over Timmons is also insane. Based on what exactly? Racking up a bunch of tackles on a really damn mediocre LB corp? I still can't believe you ranked Taylor Mays ahead of Polamalu. Do you watch the Bengals at all? He's a physical freak but he's about as dumb as they come. I can't think of one play all of last year that stood out with him on the field. Sheard has also never played OLB and Mingo is as rookie just like Jones. I also don't care that DeCastro barely saw the field, his pedigree alone puts him over the putz Luavao who was a borderline turnstile last year and Kruger is not a high profile name. He's a two down linebacker that was the top pass rusher in a really weak free agent pool. I know I just came in here and shit all over this post. It was well put together but completely bat shit crazy in parts. If you're going to make what I'm assuming is supposed to be a objective breakdown take off the homer shades.
Richardson will be better than Rice this year if he stays reasonably healthy. Take it to the bank.
Taylor Mays has god given ability and that's about it so we agree on that. One of the biggest underachievers in college football history and now he's a flop in the pros. Meanwhile, Polamalu is finished -- it's over for him.
Disagree with Gipper's assessment that Ravens have worst receiving corps in the division. How can you say that when they have Smith and Jones, both of whom are better than any Browns receiver in my opinion. Browns still need a premier wideout in my view and they should go after Lee next year if they can't get their franchise QB.
Skeptical2013 said:
Richardson will be better than Rice this year if he stays reasonably healthy. Take it to the bank.
Taylor Mays has god given ability and that's about it so we agree on that. One of the biggest underachievers in college football history and now he's a flop in the pros. Meanwhile, Polamalu is finished -- it's over for him.
Disagree with Gipper's assessment that Ravens have worst receiving corps in the division. How can you say that when they have Smith and Jones, both of whom are better than any Browns receiver in my opinion. Browns still need a premier wideout in my view and they should go after Lee next year if they can't get their franchise QB.
Tons and tons of people here would disagree with you on the Browns WR assessment. Why did I rate the Ravens WR corps last? Because they lost the main man in that corps: Boldin. Without them Smith and Jones may be just an old Western. (It was an old western btw). Without Boldin to be that rock, I am not sure those two roll. Same with Pittsburgh. Though many Steeler fans wish to underestimate the loss of Wallace....the guy was still a big downfield threat, and not having him may show that the guys they still have, Sanders and Brown, may not be all that. So maybe Unsympathetic is right.
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LCB:
1. Browns with Haden
2. Ravens with Webb
3. Bengals with Kirkpatrick
4. Steelers with Cortez
(though, the order behind Haden could be completely reversed with not argument)
SS
1. Browns with TJ Ward
2. Bengals with Taylor Mays
3. Steelers with Polamalu
4. Ravens with Matt Elam
Polamalu was...and will be a Hall of Fame player. But, at present he has become old and average.
FS:
1. Steelers with Ryan Clark
2. Ravens with Michael Huff
3. Bengals with Nelson
4. Browns with Hagg/Gipson
Totally going by experience
RCB:
1. Bengals with Leon Hall
2. Ravens with Corey Graham
3. Steelers with Ike Taylor
4. Browns with Leon McFadden
Those top 3 could also be jumbled up with no argument. And again, rookies have to take last place.
From the other thread. Compare mine to his....pretty damn close:
http://espn.go.com/blog/afcnorth/post/_/id/70326/afc-north-position-rank-secondary
Does anyone know if this guy did any other AFCN unit rankings?
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LCB:
1. Browns with Haden
2. Ravens with Webb
3. Bengals with Kirkpatrick
4. Steelers with Cortez
(though, the order behind Haden could be completely reversed with not argument)
SS
1. Browns with TJ Ward
2. Bengals with Taylor Mays
3. Steelers with Polamalu
4. Ravens with Matt Elam
Polamalu was...and will be a Hall of Fame player. But, at present he has become old and average.
FS:
1. Steelers with Ryan Clark
2. Ravens with Michael Huff
3. Bengals with Nelson
4. Browns with Hagg/Gipson
Totally going by experience
RCB:
1. Bengals with Leon Hall
2. Ravens with Corey Graham
3. Steelers with Ike Taylor
4. Browns with Leon McFadden
Those top 3 could also be jumbled up with no argument. And again, rookies have to take last place.
From the other thread. Compare mine to his....pretty damn close:
http://espn.go.com/blog/afcnorth/post/_/id/70326/afc-north-position-rank-secondary
Does anyone know if this guy did any other AFCN unit rankings?
LCB:
1. Browns with Haden
2. Ravens with Webb
3. Bengals with Kirkpatrick
4. Steelers with Cortez
(though, the order behind Haden could be completely reversed with not argument)
SS
1. Browns with TJ Ward
2. Bengals with Taylor Mays
3. Steelers with Polamalu
4. Ravens with Matt Elam
Polamalu was...and will be a Hall of Fame player. But, at present he has become old and average.
FS:
1. Steelers with Ryan Clark
2. Ravens with Michael Huff
3. Bengals with Nelson
4. Browns with Hagg/Gipson
Totally going by experience
RCB:
1. Bengals with Leon Hall
2. Ravens with Corey Graham
3. Steelers with Ike Taylor
4. Browns with Leon McFadden
Those top 3 could also be jumbled up with no argument. And again, rookies have to take last place.
From the other thread. Compare mine to his....pretty damn close:
http://espn.go.com/blog/afcnorth/post/_/id/70326/afc-north-position-rank-secondary
Does anyone know if this guy did any other AFCN unit rankings?
I saw this last night so according to him you bump troy to one where he belongs and ike taylor to at least two. I also fully expect cortez allen to advance upward throughout the season but hes still under the radar.
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LCB:
1. Browns with Haden
2. Ravens with Webb
3. Bengals with Kirkpatrick
4. Steelers with Cortez
(though, the order behind Haden could be completely reversed with not argument)
SS
1. Browns with TJ Ward
2. Bengals with Taylor Mays
3. Steelers with Polamalu
4. Ravens with Matt Elam
Polamalu was...and will be a Hall of Fame player. But, at present he has become old and average.
FS:
1. Steelers with Ryan Clark
2. Ravens with Michael Huff
3. Bengals with Nelson
4. Browns with Hagg/Gipson
Totally going by experience
RCB:
1. Bengals with Leon Hall
2. Ravens with Corey Graham
3. Steelers with Ike Taylor
4. Browns with Leon McFadden
Those top 3 could also be jumbled up with no argument. And again, rookies have to take last place.
From the other thread. Compare mine to his....pretty damn close:
http://espn.go.com/blog/afcnorth/post/_/id/70326/afc-north-position-rank-secondary
Does anyone know if this guy did any other AFCN unit rankings?
I saw this last night so according to him you bump troy to one where he belongs and ike taylor to at least two. I also fully expect cortez allen to advance upward throughout the season but hes still under the radar.
I saw this last night so according to him you bump troy to one where he belongs and ike taylor to at least two. I also fully expect cortez allen to advance upward throughout the season but hes still under the radar.
Did you bother to read what he said: he said that TJ Ward is the best SS in the division....and that Polamalu is old and injured...but can make an occasional play Same as I said...so Ward stays #1. Taylor, maybe..he didn't like Graham that well...but he didn't like Taylor either, saying he was streaky, i.e. unreliable. Maybe what I should do is say that those two are tied for 3rd...and leave the #2 slot vacant.
As for who might "advance" it is more likely the rookies who advance. Elam, or McFadden, or Gipson, or Thomas or the like.
Like I said, I put them all on the bottom because of unprovenness. But they could prove themselves.
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Skeptical2013 said:
Richardson will be better than Rice this year if he stays reasonably healthy. Take it to the bank.
Taylor Mays has god given ability and that's about it so we agree on that. One of the biggest underachievers in college football history and now he's a flop in the pros. Meanwhile, Polamalu is finished -- it's over for him.
Disagree with Gipper's assessment that Ravens have worst receiving corps in the division. How can you say that when they have Smith and Jones, both of whom are better than any Browns receiver in my opinion. Browns still need a premier wideout in my view and they should go after Lee next year if they can't get their franchise QB.
Tons and tons of people here would disagree with you on the Browns WR assessment. Why did I rate the Ravens WR corps last? Because they lost the main man in that corps: Boldin. Without them Smith and Jones may be just an old Western. (It was an old western btw). Without Boldin to be that rock, I am not sure those two roll. Same with Pittsburgh. Though many Steeler fans wish to underestimate the loss of Wallace....the guy was still a big downfield threat, and not having him may show that the guys they still have, Sanders and Brown, may not be all that. So maybe Unsympathetic is right.
Skeptical2013 said:
Richardson will be better than Rice this year if he stays reasonably healthy. Take it to the bank.
Taylor Mays has god given ability and that's about it so we agree on that. One of the biggest underachievers in college football history and now he's a flop in the pros. Meanwhile, Polamalu is finished -- it's over for him.
Disagree with Gipper's assessment that Ravens have worst receiving corps in the division. How can you say that when they have Smith and Jones, both of whom are better than any Browns receiver in my opinion. Browns still need a premier wideout in my view and they should go after Lee next year if they can't get their franchise QB.
Tons and tons of people here would disagree with you on the Browns WR assessment. Why did I rate the Ravens WR corps last? Because they lost the main man in that corps: Boldin. Without them Smith and Jones may be just an old Western. (It was an old western btw). Without Boldin to be that rock, I am not sure those two roll. Same with Pittsburgh. Though many Steeler fans wish to underestimate the loss of Wallace....the guy was still a big downfield threat, and not having him may show that the guys they still have, Sanders and Brown, may not be all that. So maybe Unsympathetic is right.
Smith is the most important receiver for the Ravens and Jones is a developing one. Boldin's loss is overrated in my view.
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Skeptical2013 said:
Richardson will be better than Rice this year if he stays reasonably healthy. Take it to the bank.
Taylor Mays has god given ability and that's about it so we agree on that. One of the biggest underachievers in college football history and now he's a flop in the pros. Meanwhile, Polamalu is finished -- it's over for him.
Disagree with Gipper's assessment that Ravens have worst receiving corps in the division. How can you say that when they have Smith and Jones, both of whom are better than any Browns receiver in my opinion. Browns still need a premier wideout in my view and they should go after Lee next year if they can't get their franchise QB.
Tons and tons of people here would disagree with you on the Browns WR assessment. Why did I rate the Ravens WR corps last? Because they lost the main man in that corps: Boldin. Without them Smith and Jones may be just an old Western. (It was an old western btw). Without Boldin to be that rock, I am not sure those two roll. Same with Pittsburgh. Though many Steeler fans wish to underestimate the loss of Wallace....the guy was still a big downfield threat, and not having him may show that the guys they still have, Sanders and Brown, may not be all that. So maybe Unsympathetic is right.
Smith is the most important receiver for the Ravens and Jones is a developing one. Boldin's loss is overrated in my view.
Skeptical2013 said:
Smith is the most important receiver for the Ravens and Jones is a developing one. Boldin's loss is overrated in my view.
Well, from what I have been able to tell, Your view is equivalent to that of the last dog in line on a sled team
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Skeptical2013 said:
Steelers receivers compares very favorably with the Browns receiving corps
No, they don't. You're wrong.
Skeptical2013 said:
How many drops will the overexcited Little have again in a season opener?
None. You clearly didn't watch any games last year.. that's not an issue for him any more.
No, they don't. You're wrong.
None. You clearly didn't watch any games last year.. that's not an issue for him any more.
Go read what the objective Pro Football Focus has to say in grading out Little's performance in 2012. He's not as good as you think he is.
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I saw this last night so according to him you bump troy to one where he belongs and ike taylor to at least two. I also fully expect cortez allen to advance upward throughout the season but hes still under the radar.
Did you bother to read what he said: he said that TJ Ward is the best SS in the division....and that Polamalu is old and injured...but can make an occasional play Same as I said...so Ward stays #1. Taylor, maybe..he didn't like Graham that well...but he didn't like Taylor either, saying he was streaky, i.e. unreliable. Maybe what I should do is say that those two are tied for 3rd...and leave the #2 slot vacant.
As for who might "advance" it is more likely the rookies who advance. Elam, or McFadden, or Gipson, or Thomas or the like.
Like I said, I put them all on the bottom because of unprovenness. But they could prove themselves.
Did you bother to read what he said: he said that TJ Ward is the best SS in the division....and that Polamalu is old and injured...but can make an occasional play Same as I said...so Ward stays #1. Taylor, maybe..he didn't like Graham that well...but he didn't like Taylor either, saying he was streaky, i.e. unreliable. Maybe what I should do is say that those two are tied for 3rd...and leave the #2 slot vacant.
As for who might "advance" it is more likely the rookies who advance. Elam, or McFadden, or Gipson, or Thomas or the like.
Like I said, I put them all on the bottom because of unprovenness. But they could prove themselves.
Lol that isnt what he said at all unless we read different articles. He clearly rated the steelers secondary as the best no? He also said ward "could" become the best in the divison. You love to mince words. Its ridiculous. He also said taylor is a top 4 corner in the division. The question should be, did you read?
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Skeptical2013 said:
Smith is the most important receiver for the Ravens and Jones is a developing one. Boldin's loss is overrated in my view.
Well, from what I have been able to tell, Your view is equivalent to that of the last dog in line on a sled team
Well, from what I have been able to tell, Your view is equivalent to that of the last dog in line on a sled team
IN the NFL Network countdown of the top 100 players for 2013, Boldin is ranked #93 and jacoby Jones, the #2 receiver for the Ravens is ranked ahead of him at #88. I rest my case.
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you guys got a real bitchfest going on here.
this is what i'll say with utmost respect to our division rivals.
cincy will be the front runners this year and maybe balt is the only ones to give them comp.
the rankings of all positions is a great read with every other person's opinions chiming in...
cincy has the best receivers and defense.
pitt has the best veteran play and if can keep br upright might win the division.
i think TR will surpass rice IF we can get a RG and fullback that can actually block and pick up the blitz.
we will be the dark horse and surprise a lot of people if our players play and execute the way they should.
our big ? mark is the QB position. if weeds sucks he's toast and so are we.......again.
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How, exactly, do the Steelers have "more experience" than the Browns WR? The only players on the roster other than rookies are their starters with 3 years (Brown, Sanders).
Plaxico Burress doesn't count -- he's just roster fodder at the age of 35.. and Cotchery is actually a candidate to be released, so his "experience" sure doesn't count.
1) Size of top 3 Browns WR
Gordon - 6'4 220
Little - 6'2 220
D.Nelson - 6'5 220
Steelers: Both Brown and Sanders are 5'10, 180.
2) Number of years -- Gordon has 1, Little has 2, Nelson has essentially 2 as well b/c last year he popped the ACL.
Antonio Brown's first year had exactly 16 catches, and he barely saw the field. Emmanuel's stats have been consistently underwhelming as the 3rd or 4th option - 28, 22, 44 catches in each year.
So.. that one year of 16 and 22 catches makes up for Gordon and Little both being significantly more gifted than their counterpart at Pitt, and starting the whole time? And when you add Nelson and Bess to the mix, giving the Browns 4 legit options at WR before you go to the TE, Pitt is still better?
I don't see it.
If you judge the WR without the QB, the Browns players are significantly better and should be at minimum #2.. if you look at the entire roster, Browns WR should be ranked #1 because Gordon is the equal of AJ Green.
How, exactly, do the Steelers have "more experience" than the Browns WR? The only players on the roster other than rookies are their starters with 3 years (Brown, Sanders).
Plaxico Burress doesn't count -- he's just roster fodder at the age of 35.. and Cotchery is actually a candidate to be released, so his "experience" sure doesn't count.
1) Size of top 3 Browns WR
Gordon - 6'4 220
Little - 6'2 220
D.Nelson - 6'5 220
Steelers: Both Brown and Sanders are 5'10, 180.
2) Number of years -- Gordon has 1, Little has 2, Nelson has essentially 2 as well b/c last year he popped the ACL.
Antonio Brown's first year had exactly 16 catches, and he barely saw the field. Emmanuel's stats have been consistently underwhelming as the 3rd or 4th option - 28, 22, 44 catches in each year.
So.. that one year of 16 and 22 catches makes up for Gordon and Little both being significantly more gifted than their counterpart at Pitt, and starting the whole time? And when you add Nelson and Bess to the mix, giving the Browns 4 legit options at WR before you go to the TE, Pitt is still better?
I don't see it.
If you judge the WR without the QB, the Browns players are significantly better and should be at minimum #2.. if you look at the entire roster, Browns WR should be ranked #1 because Gordon is the equal of AJ Green.
But "receiving" also includes TE and the Steelrs have a very good TE who can catch and the Browns have a mediocre starter at TE and a backup who can't catch the ball. When you look at WR and TE the Steelers are better than the Browns. I think the potential promise of Gordon and Little is better but actual production so far shows that Sanders and Brown are better. That couldchange this season, though, if Gordon and Little progress and can learn to run pass routes better.
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