Seriously? Another Running Back?
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Austin is not going to change anything for the Rams. WR's are simply shiny hood ornaments. They do have a franchise QB, but they need one of their RB's to become viable before they'll be a playoff threat.
Their OHI [offensive hog index] was 23rd last year.. not a playoff rank
I am plenty happy with Benjamin; we need a better pass rush and Mingo's athleticism is off the charts.
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And they got an undersized DE who's never played OLB in his life.
Great move. Tim Couch
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Pretty much was a great move. Demarcus Ware always played on the dl. Mingo has ALL the qualities to
become a terrific success like Ware did. Ware made the transition - and Mingo will be "set free" to utilize
his excellent physical abilities to the max at 3-4 OLB, like Ware did. Mingo was used mostly in a tight formation,
strong side - not a best case position or setup to dramatically boost his numbers.
The comparison to Wimbley, btw, doesn't work. Mingo has the strength, outstanding agility and speed,
that Wimbley never had.
I think he is going to be terrific. Can't wait to see him take the field.
There are a lot of questions about Mingo's strength. Mingo has the smarts and determination to be good and he's a freaky athlete, but he has to build up that body to be able to take on blocks in the NFL. Can he do it and still keep his speed and quickkness? That's the big question. Personally, I'm rooting for the guy -- I really like him after seeing him in behind the scenes activity before, during and after the Combine as aired on NFL Network. Mingo has his act together as a human being. Browns fans are going to love him.
Skeptical2013 said:
There are a lot of questions about Mingo's strength. Mingo has the smarts and determination to be good and he's a freaky athlete, but he has to build up that body to be able to take on blocks in the NFL. Can he do it and still keep his speed and quickkness? That's the big question. Personally, I'm rooting for the guy -- I really like him after seeing him in behind the scenes activity before, during and after the Combine as aired on NFL Network. Mingo has his act together as a human being. Browns fans are going to love him.
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There are questions about his strength. Bob Golic brought it up recently. Mingo will hit the weight room, alright.
But compared to Wimbley, he has far more strength. I was just referring to a few folks that thought of Mingo and Wimbley being
a lot the same player. They aren't.
"“Mingo looks almost too lean to handle the physicality of NFL linemen, but has surprising strength to go along with the elite length and straight-line speed to rack up double-digit sack numbers (he had eight in 2011) and track down ball carriers (15 tackles for loss) as a 3-4 rush linebacker at the next level. He is a proverbial boom or bust prospect. Mingo’s production dropped as a junior, and he failed to show much overall growth in his game over the course of his career. However, KeKe flashed the talent and projectable skills to be a dominant NFL pass rusher, and a position switch will likely serve him well, as the LSU Tiger was too often asked to play in a tight alignment on the strong side in college a poor use of his strengths. Mingo’s length, athleticism, and pass rush talent figure to make him a top 20 selection in the draft.” – NFL.com"
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As long as we are showing kick return highlights:
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Skeptical2013 said:
There are a lot of questions about Mingo's strength. Mingo has the smarts and determination to be good and he's a freaky athlete, but he has to build up that body to be able to take on blocks in the NFL. Can he do it and still keep his speed and quickkness? That's the big question. Personally, I'm rooting for the guy -- I really like him after seeing him in behind the scenes activity before, during and after the Combine as aired on NFL Network. Mingo has his act together as a human being. Browns fans are going to love him.
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There are questions about his strength. Bob Golic brought it up recently. Mingo will hit the weight room, alright.
But compared to Wimbley, he has far more strength. I was just referring to a few folks that thought of Mingo and Wimbley being
a lot the same player. They aren't.
"“Mingo looks almost too lean to handle the physicality of NFL linemen, but has surprising strength to go along with the elite length and straight-line speed to rack up double-digit sack numbers (he had eight in 2011) and track down ball carriers (15 tackles for loss) as a 3-4 rush linebacker at the next level. He is a proverbial boom or bust prospect. Mingo’s production dropped as a junior, and he failed to show much overall growth in his game over the course of his career. However, KeKe flashed the talent and projectable skills to be a dominant NFL pass rusher, and a position switch will likely serve him well, as the LSU Tiger was too often asked to play in a tight alignment on the strong side in college a poor use of his strengths. Mingo’s length, athleticism, and pass rush talent figure to make him a top 20 selection in the draft.” – NFL.com"
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There are questions about his strength. Bob Golic brought it up recently. Mingo will hit the weight room, alright.
But compared to Wimbley, he has far more strength. I was just referring to a few folks that thought of Mingo and Wimbley being
a lot the same player. They aren't.
"“Mingo looks almost too lean to handle the physicality of NFL linemen, but has surprising strength to go along with the elite length and straight-line speed to rack up double-digit sack numbers (he had eight in 2011) and track down ball carriers (15 tackles for loss) as a 3-4 rush linebacker at the next level. He is a proverbial boom or bust prospect. Mingo’s production dropped as a junior, and he failed to show much overall growth in his game over the course of his career. However, KeKe flashed the talent and projectable skills to be a dominant NFL pass rusher, and a position switch will likely serve him well, as the LSU Tiger was too often asked to play in a tight alignment on the strong side in college a poor use of his strengths. Mingo’s length, athleticism, and pass rush talent figure to make him a top 20 selection in the draft.” – NFL.com"
Very good post, thanks for contributing it. My concern with Mingo is that when I watched LSU games last year -- and down here in SEC country I saw at least snippets from most of them -- is that he got pushed out of the way a lot. This will be a real challenge for Ray Horton and the staff. Mingo seems to have a good head on his shoulders -- very mature in contrast to Geno Smith -- and he knows his weaknesses better than anyone else. But one big advantage Horton has is that Mingo will be a great pupil and fast learner. That's just who he is. And that means a lot given all Horton will ask him to do.
It also says something about Mingo that his LSU teammate, Chris Faulk, who was in big demand around the league, decided to sign with Cleveland because he thinks so highly of his buddy Mingo. Don't underestimate the value of having Faulk come here -- he's going to be a big time contributor on the Browns OL.
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Austin is not going to change anything for the Rams. WR's are simply shiny hood ornaments. They do have a franchise QB, but they need one of their RB's to become viable before they'll be a playoff threat.
Their OHI [offensive hog index] was 23rd last year.. not a playoff rank
I am plenty happy with Benjamin; we need a better pass rush and Mingo's athleticism is off the charts.
Austin is not going to change anything for the Rams. WR's are simply shiny hood ornaments. They do have a franchise QB, but they need one of their RB's to become viable before they'll be a playoff threat.
Their OHI [offensive hog index] was 23rd last year.. not a playoff rank
I am plenty happy with Benjamin; we need a better pass rush and Mingo's athleticism is off the charts.
Then you are in for quite a shock!
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Skeptical2013 said:
If Tavon Austin is a Porsche, Travis Benjamin is a Mazda Miata. Benjamin has made minimal impact for the Browns. Austin is going to totally change the Rams and help make them a playoff team this year.
Travis Benjamin sat behind the #1 kickoff returner in the history of the NFL....from a TD perspective..and #5 from a yardage perspective. I think he will blossom quite well and will prove quite adequate....and dangerous as a kick and punt returner. He has already proven that he can take a punt the distance.
Austin may turn out to be good....but he has yet to prove a thing.
Austin was never, ever in the Browns crosshairs....so it is foolish to even worry about him.
Travis Benjamin sat behind the #1 kickoff returner in the history of the NFL....from a TD perspective..and #5 from a yardage perspective. I think he will blossom quite well and will prove quite adequate....and dangerous as a kick and punt returner. He has already proven that he can take a punt the distance.
Austin may turn out to be good....but he has yet to prove a thing.
Austin was never, ever in the Browns crosshairs....so it is foolish to even worry about him.
Benjamin is a pedestrian NFL player, he'll never get close to all pro level.
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Travis Benjamin sat behind the #1 kickoff returner in the history of the NFL....from a TD perspective..and #5 from a yardage perspective. I think he will blossom quite well and will prove quite adequate....and dangerous as a kick and punt returner. He has already proven that he can take a punt the distance.
Austin may turn out to be good....but he has yet to prove a thing.
Austin was never, ever in the Browns crosshairs....so it is foolish to even worry about him.
Benjamin is a pedestrian NFL player, he'll never get close to all pro level.
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Skeptical2013 said:
No, I'm just the guy who is telling you that Tavon Austin is going to be a terrific player and the Browns should have strategized this past off-season to acquire him. I'm also the guy who has told you that the Browns secondary is a disaster and that fact alone will prevent the team from winning much more than last year. In fact, Ward gets hurt a lot and we'll have other DB injuries, and their back ups are terrible. It's going to be a long season thanks to the ineptitude of Banner and Lombardi.
And I am the guy telling you that sure maybe Tavon Austin will be a terrific player....or he may be Charles Rogers. And I am the guy that is telling you that the Browns had far higher priorities than small, 3rd string WR/KR...because they already had a fairly similar guy on their roster in Benjamin. And I am the guy telling you that if the Browns hadn't gone for Mingo, they certainly would not have gone for Austin.....Dee Milliner would have been a far more likely choice.
And I am the guy telling you that the Browns Defensive backfield has probably one of the top 5-10 CBs in the league in Joe Haden, and one of the top 5-15 SS in the league in TJ Ward....and it has a promising young #2 CB in Leon McFadden, and a promising young FS in Tashaun Gipson.
And I am the guy telling you that even if McFadden and Gipson are "lower tier" DBs....say rated 16-30, this defensive backfield is still the best in the division....and would still be in the top 10 or 12 in the league.
And I am the guy telling you that sure maybe Tavon Austin will be a terrific player....or he may be Charles Rogers. And I am the guy that is telling you that the Browns had far higher priorities than small, 3rd string WR/KR...because they already had a fairly similar guy on their roster in Benjamin. And I am the guy telling you that if the Browns hadn't gone for Mingo, they certainly would not have gone for Austin.....Dee Milliner would have been a far more likely choice.
And I am the guy telling you that the Browns Defensive backfield has probably one of the top 5-10 CBs in the league in Joe Haden, and one of the top 5-15 SS in the league in TJ Ward....and it has a promising young #2 CB in Leon McFadden, and a promising young FS in Tashaun Gipson.
And I am the guy telling you that even if McFadden and Gipson are "lower tier" DBs....say rated 16-30, this defensive backfield is still the best in the division....and would still be in the top 10 or 12 in the league.
And I am the guy telling you that if Ward, Haden, Gipson and McFadden get hurt, there is nothing behind them of quality, and that includes in nickel and dime packages, too. Owens is a stiff, like Dimitri Patterson. Besides which you overestimate the impact of McFadden this coming season, who in his rookie year, is going to struggle, especially against bigger receivers . Over time McFadden may turn out to be a fine CB, but rookie CBs usually struggle, unlesss their name is Patrick Patterson.
I think it's interesting that Arizona, Horton's last team, went out and got a tremendously athletic safety in Patterson who played a key role in making Horton's defense good last year. But the Browns don't seem to emphasize the position in this defense. Bizarre.
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Skeptical2013 said:
Benjamin is a pedestrian NFL player, he'll never get close to all pro level.
Maybe we can trade him for one of those fourth round safeties you were salivating over.
Zombo
Zombo said:
Maybe we can trade him for one of those fourth round safeties you were salivating over.
Zombo
Great suggestion! Browns have a bunch of receivers of respectable quality, but nothing of any consequence in backup roles in the secondary.
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Zombo said:
Maybe we can trade him for one of those fourth round safeties you were salivating over.
Zombo
Great suggestion! Browns have a bunch of receivers of respectable quality, but nothing of any consequence in backup roles in the secondary.
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Skeptical2013 said:
Great suggestion! Browns have a bunch of receivers of respectable quality, but nothing of any consequence in backup roles in the secondary.
Let's trade all of our playmakers for backup safeties and safety the hell out of people!
Zombo
Zombo said:
Let's trade all of our playmakers for backup safeties and safety the hell out of people!
Zombo
I didn't realize the Browns had any playmakers! Oh, I exaggerate -- maybe Gordon a bit, and Richardson the few moments when he is healthy and a little Benjamin in running back punts.
Browns offense would have benefited tremendously from an explosive player like Austin who is going to create sleepless nights for many an NFL defensive coordinator. Let's face it, the Browns really don't have any players on offense that really worry a defensive coordinator (maybe TRich a bit, but he's always hurt) and that shows in the low point output for the team year after year. Browns need to change the paradigm with their offense and Austin would have made that happen. Not now, for the most part, although having Turner and Chud involved does help becuae Shurmr was pathetic.
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Zombo said:
Let's trade all of our playmakers for backup safeties and safety the hell out of people!
Zombo
I didn't realize the Browns had any playmakers! Oh, I exaggerate -- maybe Gordon a bit, and Richardson the few moments when he is healthy and a little Benjamin in running back punts.
Browns offense would have benefited tremendously from an explosive player like Austin who is going to create sleepless nights for many an NFL defensive coordinator. Let's face it, the Browns really don't have any players on offense that really worry a defensive coordinator (maybe TRich a bit, but he's always hurt) and that shows in the low point output for the team year after year. Browns need to change the paradigm with their offense and Austin would have made that happen. Not now, for the most part, although having Turner and Chud involved does help becuae Shurmr was pathetic.
Skeptical2013 said:
I didn't realize the Browns had any playmakers! Oh, I exaggerate -- maybe Gordon a bit, and Richardson the few moments when he is healthy and a little Benjamin in running back punts.
Browns offense would have benefited tremendously from an explosive player like Austin who is going to create sleepless nights for many an NFL defensive coordinator. Let's face it, the Browns really don't have any players on offense that really worry a defensive coordinator (maybe TRich a bit, but he's always hurt) and that shows in the low point output for the team year after year. Browns need to change the paradigm with their offense and Austin would have made that happen. Not now, for the most part, although having Turner and Chud involved does help becuae Shurmr was pathetic.
Who's Austin? And why is he more of a playmaker than Richardson, Gordon, Little and Benjamin?
Zombo
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Skeptical2013 said:
I didn't realize the Browns had any playmakers! Oh, I exaggerate -- maybe Gordon a bit, and Richardson the few moments when he is healthy and a little Benjamin in running back punts.
Browns offense would have benefited tremendously from an explosive player like Austin who is going to create sleepless nights for many an NFL defensive coordinator. Let's face it, the Browns really don't have any players on offense that really worry a defensive coordinator (maybe TRich a bit, but he's always hurt) and that shows in the low point output for the team year after year. Browns need to change the paradigm with their offense and Austin would have made that happen. Not now, for the most part, although having Turner and Chud involved does help becuae Shurmr was pathetic.
Who's Austin? And why is he more of a playmaker than Richardson, Gordon, Little and Benjamin?
Zombo
Zombo said:
Who's Austin? And why is he more of a playmaker than Richardson, Gordon, Little and Benjamin?
Zombo
Actually, (Steve) Austin is the Six Million Dollar Man. He was played by Lee Majors in that TV show. Maybe that's why T. Austin is so good.
Another Austin is Kurt, who is the lead character in a series of novels that Clive Clusser, one of my favs, writes.
Then there is Austin, Texas. It's a shame that Tavon Austin wasn't named Austin Austin and be from Austin, Texas.
Makes me wonder: with his big new contract, will T. Austin drive an Austin Healey?
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Zombo said:
Who's Austin? And why is he more of a playmaker than Richardson, Gordon, Little and Benjamin?
Zombo
Actually, (Steve) Austin is the Six Million Dollar Man. He was played by Lee Majors in that TV show. Maybe that's why T. Austin is so good.
Another Austin is Kurt, who is the lead character in a series of novels that Clive Clusser, one of my favs, writes.
Then there is Austin, Texas. It's a shame that Tavon Austin wasn't named Austin Austin and be from Austin, Texas.
Makes me wonder: with his big new contract, will T. Austin drive an Austin Healey?
Skeptical2013 said:
Actually, (Steve) Austin is the Six Million Dollar Man. He was played by Lee Majors in that TV show. Maybe that's why T. Austin is so good.
Another Austin is Kurt, who is the lead character in a series of novels that Clive Clusser, one of my favs, writes.
Then there is Austin, Texas. It's a shame that Tavon Austin wasn't named Austin Austin and be from Austin, Texas.
Makes me wonder: with his big new contract, will T. Austin drive an Austin Healey?
Sorry, I don't follow you much outside of your replies to my posts, or threads I am active in, you're kind of an idiot.
Are you saying we should have taken Tavon Austin at #6?
Wouldn't we still go 0-16 anyway because we have no depth at safety?
Zombo
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There are questions about his strength. Bob Golic brought it up recently. Mingo will hit the weight room, alright.
But compared to Wimbley, he has far more strength. I was just referring to a few folks that thought of Mingo and Wimbley being
a lot the same player. They aren't.
"“Mingo looks almost too lean to handle the physicality of NFL linemen, but has surprising strength to go along with the elite length and straight-line speed to rack up double-digit sack numbers (he had eight in 2011) and track down ball carriers (15 tackles for loss) as a 3-4 rush linebacker at the next level. He is a proverbial boom or bust prospect. Mingo’s production dropped as a junior, and he failed to show much overall growth in his game over the course of his career. However, KeKe flashed the talent and projectable skills to be a dominant NFL pass rusher, and a position switch will likely serve him well, as the LSU Tiger was too often asked to play in a tight alignment on the strong side in college a poor use of his strengths. Mingo’s length, athleticism, and pass rush talent figure to make him a top 20 selection in the draft.” – NFL.com"
Very good post, thanks for contributing it. My concern with Mingo is that when I watched LSU games last year -- and down here in SEC country I saw at least snippets from most of them -- is that he got pushed out of the way a lot. This will be a real challenge for Ray Horton and the staff. Mingo seems to have a good head on his shoulders -- very mature in contrast to Geno Smith -- and he knows his weaknesses better than anyone else. But one big advantage Horton has is that Mingo will be a great pupil and fast learner. That's just who he is. And that means a lot given all Horton will ask him to do.
It also says something about Mingo that his LSU teammate, Chris Faulk, who was in big demand around the league, decided to sign with Cleveland because he thinks so highly of his buddy Mingo. Don't underestimate the value of having Faulk come here -- he's going to be a big time contributor on the Browns OL.
Skeptical2013 said:
Very good post, thanks for contributing it. My concern with Mingo is that when I watched LSU games last year -- and down here in SEC country I saw at least snippets from most of them -- is that he got pushed out of the way a lot. This will be a real challenge for Ray Horton and the staff. Mingo seems to have a good head on his shoulders -- very mature in contrast to Geno Smith -- and he knows his weaknesses better than anyone else. But one big advantage Horton has is that Mingo will be a great pupil and fast learner. That's just who he is. And that means a lot given all Horton will ask him to do.
It also says something about Mingo that his LSU teammate, Chris Faulk, who was in big demand around the league, decided to sign with Cleveland because he thinks so highly of his buddy Mingo. Don't underestimate the value of having Faulk come here -- he's going to be a big time contributor on the Browns OL.
WOW, a worthwhile contribution. Maybe you won't need that time out after all.
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And I am the guy telling you that sure maybe Tavon Austin will be a terrific player....or he may be Charles Rogers. And I am the guy that is telling you that the Browns had far higher priorities than small, 3rd string WR/KR...because they already had a fairly similar guy on their roster in Benjamin. And I am the guy telling you that if the Browns hadn't gone for Mingo, they certainly would not have gone for Austin.....Dee Milliner would have been a far more likely choice.
And I am the guy telling you that the Browns Defensive backfield has probably one of the top 5-10 CBs in the league in Joe Haden, and one of the top 5-15 SS in the league in TJ Ward....and it has a promising young #2 CB in Leon McFadden, and a promising young FS in Tashaun Gipson.
And I am the guy telling you that even if McFadden and Gipson are "lower tier" DBs....say rated 16-30, this defensive backfield is still the best in the division....and would still be in the top 10 or 12 in the league.
And I am the guy telling you that if Ward, Haden, Gipson and McFadden get hurt, there is nothing behind them of quality, and that includes in nickel and dime packages, too. Owens is a stiff, like Dimitri Patterson. Besides which you overestimate the impact of McFadden this coming season, who in his rookie year, is going to struggle, especially against bigger receivers . Over time McFadden may turn out to be a fine CB, but rookie CBs usually struggle, unlesss their name is Patrick Patterson.
I think it's interesting that Arizona, Horton's last team, went out and got a tremendously athletic safety in Patterson who played a key role in making Horton's defense good last year. But the Browns don't seem to emphasize the position in this defense. Bizarre.
Skeptical2013 said:
And I am the guy telling you that if Ward, Haden, Gipson and McFadden get hurt, there is nothing behind them of quality, and that includes in nickel and dime packages, too. Owens is a stiff, like Dimitri Patterson. Besides which you overestimate the impact of McFadden this coming season, who in his rookie year, is going to struggle, especially against bigger receivers . Over time McFadden may turn out to be a fine CB, but rookie CBs usually struggle, unlesss their name is Patrick Patterson.
So, what you want this team to have is a secondary that is 8 deep in Pro Bowlers. Wake up. That isn't going to happen. Sure McFadden...just like every rookie drafted from #1 overall to Mr. Irrelevent, is a question mark. That is why they are called rookies.
I think it's interesting that Arizona, Horton's last team, went out and got a tremendously athletic safety in Patterson who played a key role in making Horton's defense good last year. But the Browns don't seem to emphasize the position in this defense. Bizarre.
What is Bizarre is that you think that. The Browns have the best Strong safety in the AFCN...and another guy that they must think is better than some 4th or 5th rounder that you think should have been drafted. A guy that has a year under his belt of actually playing in the NFofL. A guy they can evaluate who has played against the Steelers and Bengals, not against Louisana-Atchafalaya or whomever the SEC pads their records against.
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And they got an undersized DE who's never played OLB in his life.
Great move. Tim Couch***************************************
Pretty much was a great move. Demarcus Ware always played on the dl. Mingo has ALL the qualities to
become a terrific success like Ware did. Ware made the transition - and Mingo will be "set free" to utilize
his excellent physical abilities to the max at 3-4 OLB, like Ware did. Mingo was used mostly in a tight formation,
strong side - not a best case position or setup to dramatically boost his numbers.
The comparison to Wimbley, btw, doesn't work. Mingo has the strength, outstanding agility and speed,
that Wimbley never had.
I think he is going to be terrific. Can't wait to see him take the field.
And they got an undersized DE who's never played OLB in his life.
Great move. Tim Couch
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Pretty much was a great move. Demarcus Ware always played on the dl. Mingo has ALL the qualities to
become a terrific success like Ware did. Ware made the transition - and Mingo will be "set free" to utilize
his excellent physical abilities to the max at 3-4 OLB, like Ware did. Mingo was used mostly in a tight formation,
strong side - not a best case position or setup to dramatically boost his numbers.
The comparison to Wimbley, btw, doesn't work. Mingo has the strength, outstanding agility and speed,
that Wimbley never had.
I think he is going to be terrific. Can't wait to see him take the field.
It only doesn't work because it doesn't fit with your stance.
I'm awesome, and I fuck dolphins. Ghoolie 12/2/2012: I have absolutely no skills, training or pride -
Skeptical2013 said:
Very good post, thanks for contributing it. My concern with Mingo is that when I watched LSU games last year -- and down here in SEC country I saw at least snippets from most of them -- is that he got pushed out of the way a lot. This will be a real challenge for Ray Horton and the staff. Mingo seems to have a good head on his shoulders -- very mature in contrast to Geno Smith -- and he knows his weaknesses better than anyone else. But one big advantage Horton has is that Mingo will be a great pupil and fast learner. That's just who he is. And that means a lot given all Horton will ask him to do.
It also says something about Mingo that his LSU teammate, Chris Faulk, who was in big demand around the league, decided to sign with Cleveland because he thinks so highly of his buddy Mingo. Don't underestimate the value of having Faulk come here -- he's going to be a big time contributor on the Browns OL.
WOW, a worthwhile contribution. Maybe you won't need that time out after all.
WOW, a worthwhile contribution. Maybe you won't need that time out after all.
So it's only worthwhile because you agree with it?
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