Hoyer vs. Campbell
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how do you know about ghoulie if you have only 39 posts TROLL?
riddle me that batman.
and what topic? it's a fantasyland question. hoyer is hurt and campbell is not. so why ask it? it makes no sense. do you live in fantasyland? who do you like better, ginger or mary ann? who do you like better cinderella or snow white?
fuckin puss.
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Campbell has had better games against better teams than Hoyer. Oh yeah and he has thrown ZERO picks
Campbell has had better games against better teams than Hoyer. Oh yeah and he has thrown ZERO picks
Uh... Hoyer beat the bengals.
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Campbell has had better games against better teams than Hoyer. Oh yeah and he has thrown ZERO picks
Uh... Hoyer beat the bengals.
Uh... Hoyer beat the bengals.
Who are worse than the Chiefs in all three defensive categories: passing, rushing, and overall defense.
And Campbell had a higher rating vs. the Chiefs than Hoyer vs. the Bengals.
I'm not sure what the argument is, but Campbell has statistically played better than Hoyer.
It just proves that you don't need an athletic QB in this system. Just a smart one.
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how do you know about ghoulie if you have only 39 posts TROLL?
riddle me that batman.
and what topic? it's a fantasyland question. hoyer is hurt and campbell is not. so why ask it? it makes no sense. do you live in fantasyland? who do you like better, ginger or mary ann? who do you like better cinderella or snow white?
fuckin puss.
how do you know about ghoulie if you have only 39 posts TROLL?
riddle me that batman.
and what topic? it's a fantasyland question. hoyer is hurt and campbell is not. so why ask it? it makes no sense. do you live in fantasyland? who do you like better, ginger or mary ann? who do you like better cinderella or snow white?
fuckin puss.
The only person that lives in fantasy land is you. You honestly think people care about what you have to say. Everyone knows you're a self-loathing alcoholic know-it-all with an ego bigger than the penis you dream about at night. Here I'll sum up your life for you:
You're an African-American who doesn't identify with his own race. You work a job that doesn't pay we'll at all, and you have an overweight, ugly girlfriend. In fact, the only reason you stay with her is because you can't afford rent on your own and you don't wanna move back in with mommy. You come on here after drinking large amounts of alcohol and post semi-coherent nonsense that sounds like what comes out of Mike Lombardi's asshole. You have no respect for my opinion or the opinions of many others on this board, and you think your opinion behests the rest of the boards. You take shitty pictures of bridges that have the inspiration of a dull pencil and post them on art websites. And to top it all off you don't even live within a 100 mile radius of Cleveland. Over 5,000 posts? Why don't you spend more time with your girlfriend... The only good thin you've done for this board is make t-shirts for the members. Other than that you're a worthless poster.
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Love Hoyer in the long run but I have to say JC played just as well if not better. I remember Hoyer hitting a couple of defenders between the numbers which I don't remember seeing JC do. Oh yeah, and he has no INTs. Anyway, just enjoying his performance thus far and hoping he can keep it up.
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^ Ouch...
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Campbell. He has proven the NFL game. Hoyer looked GREAT but he hasn't played enough
Campbell has played enough.
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how do you know about ghoulie if you have only 39 posts TROLL?
riddle me that batman.
and what topic? it's a fantasyland question. hoyer is hurt and campbell is not. so why ask it? it makes no sense. do you live in fantasyland? who do you like better, ginger or mary ann? who do you like better cinderella or snow white?
fuckin puss.
The only person that lives in fantasy land is you. You honestly think people care about what you have to say. Everyone knows you're a self-loathing alcoholic know-it-all with an ego bigger than the penis you dream about at night. Here I'll sum up your life for you:
You're an African-American who doesn't identify with his own race. You work a job that doesn't pay we'll at all, and you have an overweight, ugly girlfriend. In fact, the only reason you stay with her is because you can't afford rent on your own and you don't wanna move back in with mommy. You come on here after drinking large amounts of alcohol and post semi-coherent nonsense that sounds like what comes out of Mike Lombardi's asshole. You have no respect for my opinion or the opinions of many others on this board, and you think your opinion behests the rest of the boards. You take shitty pictures of bridges that have the inspiration of a dull pencil and post them on art websites. And to top it all off you don't even live within a 100 mile radius of Cleveland. Over 5,000 posts? Why don't you spend more time with your girlfriend... The only good thin you've done for this board is make t-shirts for the members. Other than that you're a worthless poster.
The only person that lives in fantasy land is you. You honestly think people care about what you have to say. Everyone knows you're a self-loathing alcoholic know-it-all with an ego bigger than the penis you dream about at night. Here I'll sum up your life for you:
You're an African-American who doesn't identify with his own race. You work a job that doesn't pay we'll at all, and you have an overweight, ugly girlfriend. In fact, the only reason you stay with her is because you can't afford rent on your own and you don't wanna move back in with mommy. You come on here after drinking large amounts of alcohol and post semi-coherent nonsense that sounds like what comes out of Mike Lombardi's asshole. You have no respect for my opinion or the opinions of many others on this board, and you think your opinion behests the rest of the boards. You take shitty pictures of bridges that have the inspiration of a dull pencil and post them on art websites. And to top it all off you don't even live within a 100 mile radius of Cleveland. Over 5,000 posts? Why don't you spend more time with your girlfriend... The only good thin you've done for this board is make t-shirts for the members. Other than that you're a worthless poster.
well how do you know this my friend? do you change your username every other week? what are you stalking me? 37 posts my ass. so who's the poser?
i'm whiter than white but the difference is i know how to get along with people.
mom's been dead since i was 7 years old. dad when i was 32. no i don't have to move in with anyone, cuz i don't need to or want to. i've been together with my girlfriend for over 20+ years. i could pay my rent on the interest from my money market account. and no she's not fat and overweight like your mom's pussy lips.
yeah i made tshirts for the members of the board, out of the fuckin kindness of my heart, out of my pocket. yeah i posted pics of bullshit comm photog pics that were uploaded to show that i actually worked for a commercial photography co. but that wasn't my only responsibility there. i was the videographer and editor, using programs that you only could wish you knew. i continue to use the whole adobe creative suite everyday learning something new everyday.
what have you done? ever, in your life that you can even say a bad word against me? want to go up against me? go ahead. i'll make you look more stoopid than you already sound.
i've got mad respect for 98% of the people on this forum. didn't even knew you existed. but you now fall in the 2%.
only thing you can say bad against me is that i told you your thread sucks.
and it's the truth. cunt.
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"Let's leave mothers out of this."
-Cosmo Carbone.
50 points for the reference.
WSS
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Let's talk about football instead of each other. That's really shitty.
Anyway: Campbell is the first Browns QB to post back to back 100+ ratings since DA in 2007. I agree that those two late plays (4th and 1 to Bess, flip to Obie) were winning football plays, things great quarterbacks do to create victories.
Should we be surprised? Before his collarbone injury, Campbell seemed headed for an actual quality career with the Raiders. He was playing superb football and getting lots of spin as the next great "late bloomer." What he's doing right now is continuing that arc after a big interruption of healing and then not getting enough reps or opportunity. This is who he is now, a much better quarterback than he was for the first 5-6 years of his career (when he was a total Checkdown Charlie).
I agree with Zombo: Let's enjoy it this year... but be realistic about what it means long-term. He turns 32 soon if he hasn't already. Hoyer turns 29 and he's coming off major knee surgery and has 3 career starts. Neither is our long-term answer... but either could be the short-term mentor and starter.
Which? Right now, homer-ism aside, I don't see how you don't go with Campbell. He has more physical upside and better numbers. Both guys are plenty mobile but Campbell threatens more field than Hoyer can.
Conversely, and just to confuse the hell out of things, Campbell could have some decent trade value on draft day assuming we take a first-round QB, and we'd be fine with Hoyer mentoring the rook. How much would another team pay for a short-term starter to go with THEIR rookie? Say, whoever gets Mariota (I doubt we'll get to him if we win 7 or more games, even with trade assets)?
I'm thinking a high third round pick.
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Let's talk about football instead of each other. That's really shitty.
Anyway: Campbell is the first Browns QB to post back to back 100+ ratings since DA in 2007. I agree that those two late plays (4th and 1 to Bess, flip to Obie) were winning football plays, things great quarterbacks do to create victories.
Should we be surprised? Before his collarbone injury, Campbell seemed headed for an actual quality career with the Raiders. He was playing superb football and getting lots of spin as the next great "late bloomer." What he's doing right now is continuing that arc after a big interruption of healing and then not getting enough reps or opportunity. This is who he is now, a much better quarterback than he was for the first 5-6 years of his career (when he was a total Checkdown Charlie).
I agree with Zombo: Let's enjoy it this year... but be realistic about what it means long-term. He turns 32 soon if he hasn't already. Hoyer turns 29 and he's coming off major knee surgery and has 3 career starts. Neither is our long-term answer... but either could be the short-term mentor and starter.
Which? Right now, homer-ism aside, I don't see how you don't go with Campbell. He has more physical upside and better numbers. Both guys are plenty mobile but Campbell threatens more field than Hoyer can.
Conversely, and just to confuse the hell out of things, Campbell could have some decent trade value on draft day assuming we take a first-round QB, and we'd be fine with Hoyer mentoring the rook. How much would another team pay for a short-term starter to go with THEIR rookie? Say, whoever gets Mariota (I doubt we'll get to him if we win 7 or more games, even with trade assets)?
I'm thinking a high third round pick.
Let's talk about football instead of each other. That's really shitty.
Anyway: Campbell is the first Browns QB to post back to back 100+ ratings since DA in 2007. I agree that those two late plays (4th and 1 to Bess, flip to Obie) were winning football plays, things great quarterbacks do to create victories.
Should we be surprised? Before his collarbone injury, Campbell seemed headed for an actual quality career with the Raiders. He was playing superb football and getting lots of spin as the next great "late bloomer." What he's doing right now is continuing that arc after a big interruption of healing and then not getting enough reps or opportunity. This is who he is now, a much better quarterback than he was for the first 5-6 years of his career (when he was a total Checkdown Charlie).
I agree with Zombo: Let's enjoy it this year... but be realistic about what it means long-term. He turns 32 soon if he hasn't already. Hoyer turns 29 and he's coming off major knee surgery and has 3 career starts. Neither is our long-term answer... but either could be the short-term mentor and starter.
Which? Right now, homer-ism aside, I don't see how you don't go with Campbell. He has more physical upside and better numbers. Both guys are plenty mobile but Campbell threatens more field than Hoyer can.
Conversely, and just to confuse the hell out of things, Campbell could have some decent trade value on draft day assuming we take a first-round QB, and we'd be fine with Hoyer mentoring the rook. How much would another team pay for a short-term starter to go with THEIR rookie? Say, whoever gets Mariota (I doubt we'll get to him if we win 7 or more games, even with trade assets)?
I'm thinking a high third round pick.
Ouch, no trades- though if Campbell continues to post 100+ ratings, his trade value will go through the roof. Hell if he continues to win games, no reason not to let him start next year and let your hot-shot rookie sit and learn for a good part of the season.
As Green Bay just found out- that is an ideal situation- have a couple backup quarterbacks on the roster who can win games. Campbell would be the perfect long term mentor too, assuming he's willing to accept the role.
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Campbell has had better games against better teams than Hoyer. Oh yeah and he has thrown ZERO picks
Campbell has had better games against better teams than Hoyer. Oh yeah and he has thrown ZERO picks
waits for him to throw pick
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Lol at the soju-esque meltdown on this Thread.
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Campbell has had better games against better teams than Hoyer. Oh yeah and he has thrown ZERO picks
waits for him to throw pick
waits for him to throw pick
Of course he'll throw a pick some time. Quite possibly against Cincinnati. But the point is, he's come in and not been flustered, been composed, even in pain and under pressure, and that's a good thing, something completely alien to Weeden.
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That's my point, Hoorta: We only need ONE guy to start while the rook watches for a little while. Either Campbell or Hoyer. Two is kind of overkill. One of those two would be neither the present nor the future and I can't fathom either being okay with that (even if they both stay quiet publicly).
Campbell could make it academic by playing his ass off the rest of the year. But you know the fans want Hoyer. It's a soap opera waiting to happen... after we draft Johnny Football (for Mark O's benefit).
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Honestly I do think it is splitting hairs. Honestly I think they would both have done equally as well if both got to start the entire season. I attribute the fact that Hoyer's stats are worse to the fact that he started his 2nd and 3rd NFL game while Campbell has started too many to count.
It honestly comes down to age for me. Would you had rather seen the 27 year old who you don't know much about start for the season or the journeyman veteran where you mostly know what you are going to get (and I don't say that as a slight since I think Campbell has performed well for most of his career).
Now the real question is who do you start next season, Campbell, Hoyer, or incoming rookie? Hopefully the answer next season is actually the best performer in training camp and not the one who you don't know anything about just to see what you got, aka Weeden.
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I remember him not accounting for the LBs and not doing it again... but I'm just a glass half full kinda guy.
Homerism, shmomerism...
For a starter, I just like the guy who brings energy over the guy who looks like he needs to be checked for a pulse.
But, agree, it is a good choice to have...
Mostly the how... That slo-mo "slide" Jason unveiled was laughable.
How hard could it be for Chud to get Terry Francona on the phone? Or Tito for that matter...
I don't care if our QB has no pulse as long as he doesn't throw interceptions.
I don't care if our QB has no pulse as long as he doesn't throw interceptions.
2-0 QB with 3 INTs vs. 1-1 QB w/ 0 INTs... Hmmmmmm...
Let's talk about football instead of each other. That's really shitty.
Here, here...
And Jason had a couple very strong early years. His YPA is up in two starts for us, but sample size is small as yet.
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Campbell never got a very fair shake IMO.
Never had an oline that gave him as much time as ours does, didn't have any real play making receivers that drew coverage to free other guys, etc.
He played great in Oakland for 6 games, however.
He doesn't flail under presser and looks to multiple receiving options on each play (not automatically checking down like he was known for in the past).
As far as hoyer or Campbell, I think both deserve a shot at starting, if Campbell keeps up the performance.
Playing against cincy on the road will be his biggest game yet.
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I don't care if our QB has no pulse as long as he doesn't throw interceptions.
2-0 QB with 3 INTs vs. 1-1 QB w/ 0 INTs... Hmmmmmm...
Let's talk about football instead of each other. That's really shitty.
Here, here...
And Jason had a couple very strong early years. His YPA is up in two starts for us, but sample size is small as yet.
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