Do you buy Bullying in the NFL?
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Half of you guys on here are like drooling cackling hyenas on here "cyber bullying" poetic g when he has an opinion you disagree with yet Incognito is the scum of the earth in your eyes.
A little psychological projection maybe?
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shep, i totally respect your opinions on this board. is incognito a scumbag? yep. did the coaches and FO know this before signing him? yep. is martin a puss cuz he doesn't want to play the game like it needs to be played? well in most people's eyes....yep.
man i stick up for the under dog everyday, the little guy that gets picked on, i'm the first to stck my face into a bar brawl. this is a whole different scenario.
when you have a whole table of players getting up from a table when you go to sit down, you know you aren't holding up your end of the bargain. that's what this comes down to. if the coaches can't get this guy to play hard then they put it on his teammates. incognito just stands out cuz he got caught with the text messages.
i'm sure there were other players saying the same shit to him yet they were smart enough not to leave a paper trail back to them.
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shep, i totally respect your opinions on this board. is incognito a scumbag? yep. did the coaches and FO know this before signing him? yep. is martin a puss cuz he doesn't want to play the game like it needs to be played? well in most people's eyes....yep.
man i stick up for the under dog everyday, the little guy that gets picked on, i'm the first to stck my face into a bar brawl. this is a whole different scenario.
when you have a whole table of players getting up from a table when you go to sit down, you know you aren't holding up your end of the bargain. that's what this comes down to. if the coaches can't get this guy to play hard then they put it on his teammates. incognito just stands out cuz he got caught with the text messages.
i'm sure there were other players saying the same shit to him yet they were smart enough not to leave a paper trail back to them.
when you have a whole table of players getting up from a table when you go to sit down, you know you aren't holding up your end of the bargain. that's what this comes down to. if the coaches can't get this guy to play hard then they put it on his teammates. incognito just stands out cuz he got caught with the text messages.
What bargain could you be talking about? That he didn't conform to everyone else so he deserved to have a bunch of grown men act like 3rd graders?
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when you have a whole table of players getting up from a table when you go to sit down, you know you aren't holding up your end of the bargain. that's what this comes down to. if the coaches can't get this guy to play hard then they put it on his teammates. incognito just stands out cuz he got caught with the text messages.
What bargain could you be talking about? That he didn't conform to everyone else so he deserved to have a bunch of grown men act like 3rd graders?
What bargain could you be talking about? That he didn't conform to everyone else so he deserved to have a bunch of grown men act like 3rd graders?
UH, NO.
because he's a soft little bitch that doesn't want to play the game. he'll make his money in his lawsuit.
now do i have to spell it out for you letter by letter?
jesus christ. what are you a bunch of pussies?
do you REALLY not get what was happening? time to shave your skull down so some knowledge can seep through it.
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when you have a whole table of players getting up from a table when you go to sit down, you know you aren't holding up your end of the bargain. that's what this comes down to. if the coaches can't get this guy to play hard then they put it on his teammates. incognito just stands out cuz he got caught with the text messages.
What bargain could you be talking about? That he didn't conform to everyone else so he deserved to have a bunch of grown men act like 3rd graders?
What bargain could you be talking about? That he didn't conform to everyone else so he deserved to have a bunch of grown men act like 3rd graders?
One of the guys who wrote an article a page or two back said that whole getting up to leave as the guy sits down thing was a running OL joke, and it happened to him plenty during his time in MIami.
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could be a joke or not.
how long has he been there? is he a rookie?
either way, going into an NFL locker room as a rookie you gotta excpect some of this shit.
BUT when you can't perform and are a punk the hazing is done in malice BECAUSE you have not held up to your end of the bargain. i.e. signing a contract for millions of dollars to play against the biggest thugs on earth and decide he doesn't like to get punched in the face or throat for 60 minutes for a sixteen week period.
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could be a joke or not.
how long has he been there? is he a rookie?
either way, going into an NFL locker room as a rookie you gotta excpect some of this shit.
BUT when you can't perform and are a punk the hazing is done in malice BECAUSE you have not held up to your end of the bargain. i.e. signing a contract for millions of dollars to play against the biggest thugs on earth and decide he doesn't like to get punched in the face or throat for 60 minutes for a sixteen week period.
BUT when you can't perform and are a punk the hazing is done in malice BECAUSE you have not held up to your end of the bargain. i.e. signing a contract for millions of dollars to play against the biggest thugs on earth and decide he doesn't like to get punched in the face or throat for 60 minutes for a sixteen week period.
His issues weren't on the field at all. He was living up to his 'bargain' as you put it by playing good football (started all the games this year). Look, I won't disagree that the guy maybe should of started by going to Dolphins higher ups first. But the bottom line is you can play football hard as hell on the field and be a decent human being off of it. There doesn't need to be a stigma of treating people like shit under the guise of being 'hard'. That's just a very antiquated and stupid principle to live by.
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i can't disagree with anything you said.
there are plenty of great player who played tough on the field and were assholes off the field. lawrence taylor, michael irving, big ben....hell, even our own jim brown.
but aren't they all in the hall of fame?
so what does that tell you about the game altogether. just win, baby, win.
at any cost.
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Boo hoo. Get a job as a waiter or in a fucking day care or something, where you won't get your feelings hurt.
My wife works in a day care. I can confirm people get there feelings hurt in daycares.
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At least you agree with this guy
(why can't i embed?)
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god forbid he hit one of your surfer boy QBs.
oi!
dude this ain't no water polo we're talking about. i say the same shit to my best friends all the time. pouncey even came on the record as saying he was his brother and even let him call him the N word. all my friends who are white (like myself) greet and bitch and play around calling each other that word with an 'a' at the end. is it a nice word? hell no. who promoted it? the same people that bitch about the word being used by anyone other than a black person. but yet those black people are making their money either by rapping and selling huge $$$$$ albums around the world and they think little johnny in suburbia isn't going to buy it,listen to it, and rhyme along with it? what's the kid going to do, everytime the rapper comes out and says 'N333#r', replace it with a word like snigger? man this shit is long gone and all these uptight racist black people need to get over the fact that this word is being used by everyone and it's not used as a word of hate. sure if you're dressed up in a white sheet and hood and come crawling up in your front yard and light a cross on fire that's different. but steven a. smith and michael wilbon and other these other blow-hard black announcers or show-hosts need to get over themselves by declaring this thing a need for another hundred man march. reverse racism took over the day when the likes of don draper dropped dead.
as far as incognito goes, i betcha he lands on an NFL team before martin ever does again (he doesn't want to get hurt or hit, so he'll make his money in a lawsuit). and incognito was right, when the light of day hits the situation and the truth comes out he won't be the one getting hurt by it. every pro player i've heard from (that plays the game today, not some old fossilized dude like tom jackson who still carries the torch for everything black) says that martin was a punk and if he had a problem with incognito he should have stomped him.
guess he didn't have it in him. i'll sign incognito TODAY! at least he can play a position. unlike some on our OLine.
The only team where I have heard players saying anything negative about Martin are the Dolphins and honestly I only see them doing that to save their coaches ass. Every other teams, almost to a whole, who have been asked about the issue have supported Martin. As an example, ever person I saw from the Browns that was interviewed supported Martin, except for Bess who really didn't comment other than to say he was never aware of how Martin was being treated.
EDIT: I also like how Incognito sexually harassed a woman, (rubbed her vagina with a golf club, then rubbed his dick on her ass, and after she told him to stop he threw his drink in her face) during a charity golf event and he still remained as a lockerroom leader.
EDIT: I also like how Incognito sexually harassed a woman, (rubbed her vagina with a golf club, then rubbed his dick on her ass, and after she told him to stop he threw his drink in her face) during a charity golf event and he still remained as a lockerroom leader.
Inspirational. Crazy how the Jaguars now have the most stable NFL team in Florida. They're arguably in better condition than the Marlins and Panthers, too.
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At least you agree with this guy
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At least you agree with this guy
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just copy and paste from youtube the http address. it shouldn't be underlined.
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BUT when you can't perform and are a punk the hazing is done in malice BECAUSE you have not held up to your end of the bargain. i.e. signing a contract for millions of dollars to play against the biggest thugs on earth and decide he doesn't like to get punched in the face or throat for 60 minutes for a sixteen week period.
His issues weren't on the field at all. He was living up to his 'bargain' as you put it by playing good football (started all the games this year). Look, I won't disagree that the guy maybe should of started by going to Dolphins higher ups first. But the bottom line is you can play football hard as hell on the field and be a decent human being off of it. There doesn't need to be a stigma of treating people like shit under the guise of being 'hard'. That's just a very antiquated and stupid principle to live by.
His issues weren't on the field at all. He was living up to his 'bargain' as you put it by playing good football (started all the games this year). Look, I won't disagree that the guy maybe should of started by going to Dolphins higher ups first. But the bottom line is you can play football hard as hell on the field and be a decent human being off of it. There doesn't need to be a stigma of treating people like shit under the guise of being 'hard'. That's just a very antiquated and stupid principle to live by.
When saying he should have gone to the higher ups, you also have to consider the fact that they are the ones who ordered this, according to reports - and Incognito saying when asked if it was the case "I can't answer that" - and so he maybe felt that he *couldn't* go to the higher ups, or even the locker room leaders, because they were all in on it.
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Here's an interesting article telling a little of Incognito's side:
http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/9955599/richie-incognito-miami-dolphins-only-product-environment
I'm not taking anyone's side here because I really don't care of the final verdict, but I feel like there's a lot of information missing from both ends. It looks like this whole situation is turning into "the media will portray what they want the public to believe" cases.
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From what seems to be happening, it seems to me like this:
- There was hazing going on at Miami - big shock
- Richie Incognito was the ringleader for the team and the section
- Richie incognito is a giant douche
- Jonathan Martin was getting hazed into his second year, because he did nothing to stop it
- Incognito went too far with the hazing...
- ...but Incognito thought he was doing nothing wrong, that it was standard locker room 'banter'
- other people probably went through the same thing as Martin and survived.
So, if Martin stands up for himself to Incognito, this probably stops. And when I say stands up for himself, not in the polite way of saying "guys, I really don't enjoy this, could you stop?" I mean in the locker room standard way. However, Martin is an 'educated' guy - a Stanford guy, no less - whose idea of standing up for himself is different.
Being British I never really had to go through the hazing - we don't do that sort of thing here, outside of rugby clubs - so I can't comment on the extremeness of it. But I suspect it's the same through college fraternities, sports teams etc. Maybe Martin was expecting it, rightly or wrongly, to stop in his second year but it didn't, and that made him feel victimised. Why was he the only sophomore getting hazed (was he?). Clearly, if this kind of thing goes on in any standard office, it's harassment, it's an HR thing and it's stopped immediately. But the NFL is a different beast. Some form of hazing is acceptable - even expected - for a rookie, but how much is too much? Evidently, Martin and Incognito have different views on that.
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