Do you buy Bullying in the NFL?
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But there is no crying in football. You tanked the whole team in the middle of a still viable season. You're a pussy. I do not agree with his methods and find it to be all that's wrong with entitled society. You're mean and therefore I will sue you. This is not now nor should it ever be the way football issues are handled.
"Harrassment is okay, so long as it's in the NFL."
It's not like these guys have a high rate of suicide or anything like that
that article is a joke. If Martin actually gets diagnosed with something other than depression (which probably developed over him knowing he was a pussy) then I am completely wrong. I guarantee all Incognito was trying to do was get him to stand up for himself."Harrassment is okay, so long as it's in the NFL."
It's not like these guys have a high rate of suicide or anything like that
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I feel for the 12 year old getting bullied in school but if a grown ass man/professional tough guy is getting bullied and can't figure out how to stop it without going to the media and throwing the whole team under the bus then he is just a pussy bitch.Pretty short sighted and lame opinion to something that is a real problem for a lot of people.
XxDaBuckeyexX said:
I feel for the 12 year old getting bullied in school but if a grown ass man/professional tough guy is getting bullied and can't figure out how to stop it without going to the media and throwing the whole team under the bus then he is just a pussy bitch.
You make it seem like he stormed right into CNN and started showing them texts and voicemails. As from what I read after the incident in the caffiteria where he kind of snapped, he informed the team what was happening, then the NFL. It wasn't till what one or two weeks until after he left the team that the media got hold of the voicemail, which I believe got leaked by someone from the dolphins or nfl?
Here's who was not pleased with Jonathan Martin: His team, his coach, the gm. Who else? And now he's going to sue them because they were mean. He'll never find gainful employment in the league again, and I think you guys defending him ought to go watch whatever is gayer and less manly than soccer. Watching male ballet dancers tiptoe around the maypole perhaps? I bet everyone would be nice to you there
I have yet to read that he is going to sue anyone, though I believe he could. People like to compare to football as a war and the battlefield, or a bunch or rowdy frat guys. Guess what? It's a workplace that must adhere to all the laws set forth by the United States in regards to being a work place. This isn't some mens club that plays football on the weekend. What happened was harasment. Telling someone that they can, "suck my dick" isn't bad when it's said between friends somewhere else, but in the work place if someone doesn't want to hear it they should have too. Let along being told that said person is going to rape/murder or halfy n----- sister and your mom. Oh ya and shut up or I'll fucking kill you. If a friend said that shit to me not only would they not be my friend anymore but I'd look into damn restraining order against their mental ass.
Fact is Martin did the write thing, it looks wrong because he plays football. If he worked in an office, no one would second guess what he did. People on here spouting that he needs to grow a pair or duke it out with Incognito set a horrible fucking example for any child they are responcible for. Are you likely to fuck up your kids for life? Not nessisarily. Are you more likely too, ya. All that advice does is either make your kids violent or tell them there is nothing they can do about being bullied. That leads to Your kids being overly violent when they are older (too quick to fight), overly depressed, or god forbid suicidal.
I see this shit all the time when I teach. Kids not understanding how to handle someone that is harassing them. One of my students came to me last month after missing a whole week of school. He had been being bullied by some guys on the football team, so he tried to become friends with them, alot like how Martin was "friends" with Incognito. A became the team manager and sat with them at their lunch table, but of course that only made it worse because he was around them more, their bullying didn't stop, and when he went to go and tell another teacher they didn't believe him because it appeared that they were all friends. He missed a whole week of school cause it got so bad he didn't want to leave the house.
Whether you are 6, 12, 24, or 50, shit like this needs to be taken seriously. It's this kind of stuff that makes people go postal, and it's people that tell them to buck up that teach them their isn't anything they can do.
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XxDaBuckeyexX said:
I feel for the 12 year old getting bullied in school but if a grown ass man/professional tough guy is getting bullied and can't figure out how to stop it without going to the media and throwing the whole team under the bus then he is just a pussy bitch.
You make it seem like he stormed right into CNN and started showing them texts and voicemails. As from what I read after the incident in the caffiteria where he kind of snapped, he informed the team what was happening, then the NFL. It wasn't till what one or two weeks until after he left the team that the media got hold of the voicemail, which I believe got leaked by someone from the dolphins or nfl?
Here's who was not pleased with Jonathan Martin: His team, his coach, the gm. Who else? And now he's going to sue them because they were mean. He'll never find gainful employment in the league again, and I think you guys defending him ought to go watch whatever is gayer and less manly than soccer. Watching male ballet dancers tiptoe around the maypole perhaps? I bet everyone would be nice to you there
I have yet to read that he is going to sue anyone, though I believe he could. People like to compare to football as a war and the battlefield, or a bunch or rowdy frat guys. Guess what? It's a workplace that must adhere to all the laws set forth by the United States in regards to being a work place. This isn't some mens club that plays football on the weekend. What happened was harasment. Telling someone that they can, "suck my dick" isn't bad when it's said between friends somewhere else, but in the work place if someone doesn't want to hear it they should have too. Let along being told that said person is going to rape/murder or halfy n----- sister and your mom. Oh ya and shut up or I'll fucking kill you. If a friend said that shit to me not only would they not be my friend anymore but I'd look into damn restraining order against their mental ass.
Fact is Martin did the write thing, it looks wrong because he plays football. If he worked in an office, no one would second guess what he did. People on here spouting that he needs to grow a pair or duke it out with Incognito set a horrible fucking example for any child they are responcible for. Are you likely to fuck up your kids for life? Not nessisarily. Are you more likely too, ya. All that advice does is either make your kids violent or tell them there is nothing they can do about being bullied. That leads to Your kids being overly violent when they are older (too quick to fight), overly depressed, or god forbid suicidal.
I see this shit all the time when I teach. Kids not understanding how to handle someone that is harassing them. One of my students came to me last month after missing a whole week of school. He had been being bullied by some guys on the football team, so he tried to become friends with them, alot like how Martin was "friends" with Incognito. A became the team manager and sat with them at their lunch table, but of course that only made it worse because he was around them more, their bullying didn't stop, and when he went to go and tell another teacher they didn't believe him because it appeared that they were all friends. He missed a whole week of school cause it got so bad he didn't want to leave the house.
Whether you are 6, 12, 24, or 50, shit like this needs to be taken seriously. It's this kind of stuff that makes people go postal, and it's people that tell them to buck up that teach them their isn't anything they can do.
The only way that voicemail gets to the media is through him. I do know that bullying is a huge problem in school. But this isn't school. Do you think him quitting the team and running home to mom and dad is setting a good example? Martin should have stood up to Incognito, in front of everyone. I'm pretty sure that's what Incognito was trying to get him to do (pure speculation). If he does, it boosts Martins self esteem and maybe his balls drop back down for a little fresh air. The whole team wanted him to loosen up and to just be one of the guys.You make it seem like he stormed right into CNN and started showing them texts and voicemails. As from what I read after the incident in the caffiteria where he kind of snapped, he informed the team what was happening, then the NFL. It wasn't till what one or two weeks until after he left the team that the media got hold of the voicemail, which I believe got leaked by someone from the dolphins or nfl?
I have yet to read that he is going to sue anyone, though I believe he could. People like to compare to football as a war and the battlefield, or a bunch or rowdy frat guys. Guess what? It's a workplace that must adhere to all the laws set forth by the United States in regards to being a work place. This isn't some mens club that plays football on the weekend. What happened was harasment. Telling someone that they can, "suck my dick" isn't bad when it's said between friends somewhere else, but in the work place if someone doesn't want to hear it they should have too. Let along being told that said person is going to rape/murder or halfy n----- sister and your mom. Oh ya and shut up or I'll fucking kill you. If a friend said that shit to me not only would they not be my friend anymore but I'd look into damn restraining order against their mental ass.
Fact is Martin did the write thing, it looks wrong because he plays football. If he worked in an office, no one would second guess what he did. People on here spouting that he needs to grow a pair or duke it out with Incognito set a horrible fucking example for any child they are responcible for. Are you likely to fuck up your kids for life? Not nessisarily. Are you more likely too, ya. All that advice does is either make your kids violent or tell them there is nothing they can do about being bullied. That leads to Your kids being overly violent when they are older (too quick to fight), overly depressed, or god forbid suicidal.
I see this shit all the time when I teach. Kids not understanding how to handle someone that is harassing them. One of my students came to me last month after missing a whole week of school. He had been being bullied by some guys on the football team, so he tried to become friends with them, alot like how Martin was "friends" with Incognito. A became the team manager and sat with them at their lunch table, but of course that only made it worse because he was around them more, their bullying didn't stop, and when he went to go and tell another teacher they didn't believe him because it appeared that they were all friends. He missed a whole week of school cause it got so bad he didn't want to leave the house.
Whether you are 6, 12, 24, or 50, shit like this needs to be taken seriously. It's this kind of stuff that makes people go postal, and it's people that tell them to buck up that teach them their isn't anything they can do.
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The only way that voicemail gets to the media is through him. I do know that bullying is a huge problem in school. But this isn't school. Do you think him quitting the team and running home to mom and dad is setting a good example? Martin should have stood up to Incognito, in front of everyone. I'm pretty sure that's what Incognito was trying to get him to do (pure speculation). If he does, it boosts Martins self esteem and maybe his balls drop back down for a little fresh air. The whole team wanted him to loosen up and to just be one of the guys.You make it seem like he stormed right into CNN and started showing them texts and voicemails. As from what I read after the incident in the caffiteria where he kind of snapped, he informed the team what was happening, then the NFL. It wasn't till what one or two weeks until after he left the team that the media got hold of the voicemail, which I believe got leaked by someone from the dolphins or nfl?
I have yet to read that he is going to sue anyone, though I believe he could. People like to compare to football as a war and the battlefield, or a bunch or rowdy frat guys. Guess what? It's a workplace that must adhere to all the laws set forth by the United States in regards to being a work place. This isn't some mens club that plays football on the weekend. What happened was harasment. Telling someone that they can, "suck my dick" isn't bad when it's said between friends somewhere else, but in the work place if someone doesn't want to hear it they should have too. Let along being told that said person is going to rape/murder or halfy n----- sister and your mom. Oh ya and shut up or I'll fucking kill you. If a friend said that shit to me not only would they not be my friend anymore but I'd look into damn restraining order against their mental ass.
Fact is Martin did the write thing, it looks wrong because he plays football. If he worked in an office, no one would second guess what he did. People on here spouting that he needs to grow a pair or duke it out with Incognito set a horrible fucking example for any child they are responcible for. Are you likely to fuck up your kids for life? Not nessisarily. Are you more likely too, ya. All that advice does is either make your kids violent or tell them there is nothing they can do about being bullied. That leads to Your kids being overly violent when they are older (too quick to fight), overly depressed, or god forbid suicidal.
I see this shit all the time when I teach. Kids not understanding how to handle someone that is harassing them. One of my students came to me last month after missing a whole week of school. He had been being bullied by some guys on the football team, so he tried to become friends with them, alot like how Martin was "friends" with Incognito. A became the team manager and sat with them at their lunch table, but of course that only made it worse because he was around them more, their bullying didn't stop, and when he went to go and tell another teacher they didn't believe him because it appeared that they were all friends. He missed a whole week of school cause it got so bad he didn't want to leave the house.
Whether you are 6, 12, 24, or 50, shit like this needs to be taken seriously. It's this kind of stuff that makes people go postal, and it's people that tell them to buck up that teach them their isn't anything they can do.
XxDaBuckeyexX said:
The only way that voicemail gets to the media is through him. I do know that bullying is a huge problem in school. But this isn't school. Do you think him quitting the team and running home to mom and dad is setting a good example? Martin should have stood up to Incognito, in front of everyone. I'm pretty sure that's what Incognito was trying to get him to do (pure speculation). If he does, it boosts Martins self esteem and maybe his balls drop back down for a little fresh air. The whole team wanted him to loosen up and to just be one of the guys.
1. Says who? Their are plenty of dick wads in both the dolphins and nfls camp that will and do leak shit all the time. Your blaming Martin when you don't know who gave the media the voice mail.
2. No the NFL isn't a school, it just associates itself with young children any chance it gets through charities and nfl play 60. They are in a position where they need to set an example for young children. That is why you see players getting fined and suspended for lawful infractions outside of football. But your right, it isn't a school... its a workplace, and one of their employees was harassed under direction of the management. No they didn't tell Incognito to threaten him and his family, only to "toughen him up". Well maybe if you tell one of your employees to do such a things you should not pick the biggest dick in the locker room with the biggest history of assholery and harassment and maybe you also keep an eye on how he is doing and micromanage what he does a little bit.
3. Who is to say he didn't stand up to him? People say all the time, "be a man tell them to stop." Guess what? Assholes don't always follow the rules. Just cause Martin tells him to stop, and tells him it is over the line, doesn't mean that Incognito.
Also a side note, judging from what I am hearing through most NFL locker rooms, he would be welcome almost anywhere in the NFL if he chose to keep playing.
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If Martin would have stood up to him, or if he had one single friend in that locker room, someone would have known what was going on. NOBODY knew. Martin kept it all inside until he flipped. You are right that with Incognito's history that he shouldn't have been in that position though. Words are just words and if they broke him he has no chance. He competes against the biggest, strongest, and NASTIEST people America has to offer. The opposing D-Lineman say shit 10x's as bad in a game. Your skin has to be made of leather and your feelings better not interfere in this game or you'll never make it.
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But there is no crying in football. You tanked the whole team in the middle of a still viable season. You're a pussy. I do not agree with his methods and find it to be all that's wrong with entitled society. You're mean and therefore I will sue you. This is not now nor should it ever be the way football issues are handled.
"Harrassment is okay, so long as it's in the NFL."
It's not like these guys have a high rate of suicide or anything like that
"Harrassment is okay, so long as it's in the NFL."
It's not like these guys have a high rate of suicide or anything like that
Boo hoo. Get a job as a waiter or in a fucking day care or something, where you won't get your feelings hurt.
This shit ain't nothing to me, man. -
If Martin would have stood up to him, or if he had one single friend in that locker room, someone would have known what was going on. NOBODY knew. Martin kept it all inside until he flipped. You are right that with Incognito's history that he shouldn't have been in that position though. Words are just words and if they broke him he has no chance. He competes against the biggest, strongest, and NASTIEST people America has to offer. The opposing D-Lineman say shit 10x's as bad in a game. Your skin has to be made of leather and your feelings better not interfere in this game or you'll never make it.
XxDaBuckeyexX said:
If Martin would have stood up to him, or if he had one single friend in that locker room, someone would have known what was going on. NOBODY knew. Martin kept it all inside until he flipped. You are right that with Incognito's history that he shouldn't have been in that position though. Words are just words and if they broke him he has no chance. He competes against the biggest, strongest, and NASTIEST people America has to offer. The opposing D-Lineman say shit 10x's as bad in a game. Your skin has to be made of leather and your feelings better not interfere in this game or you'll never make it.
Your speaking in certainties even though nothing about this is anywhere near certain. Your saying if Martin had stood up to him, he would have stopped. How do you know that? Is there some man code book upheld by law? As I said, we don't know if Martin told him to stop or not, and if he did tell him to stop it doesn't mean that he would. For all we know he let him know it was over the line and he needed to cut it out and he didn't listen.
Now if he had a friend in the lockerroom you think this wouldn't have happened, aka its all Martin's fault. It's not the victims fault in any situation like this, it's the aggressor. Plus, once again, we can not speak in certainties here. I find it hard to believe that someone who was in the lockerroom wasn't friends with Martin. That doesn't nessisarily mean that he made any friends he did have aware of what was happening or how he truely felt about it.
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"Harrassment is okay, so long as it's in the NFL."
It's not like these guys have a high rate of suicide or anything like that
Boo hoo. Get a job as a waiter or in a fucking day care or something, where you won't get your feelings hurt.
Boo hoo. Get a job as a waiter or in a fucking day care or something, where you won't get your feelings hurt.
My wife works in a day care. I can confirm people get there feelings hurt in daycares.
"I said, 'I need someone who's going to want to get on the roller coaster with me knowing that it's not always going to be fun,'" -Paul DePodesta -
If Martin would have stood up to him, or if he had one single friend in that locker room, someone would have known what was going on. NOBODY knew. Martin kept it all inside until he flipped. You are right that with Incognito's history that he shouldn't have been in that position though. Words are just words and if they broke him he has no chance. He competes against the biggest, strongest, and NASTIEST people America has to offer. The opposing D-Lineman say shit 10x's as bad in a game. Your skin has to be made of leather and your feelings better not interfere in this game or you'll never make it.
XxDaBuckeyexX said:
If Martin would have stood up to him, or if he had one single friend in that locker room, someone would have known what was going on. NOBODY knew. Martin kept it all inside until he flipped. You are right that with Incognito's history that he shouldn't have been in that position though. Words are just words and if they broke him he has no chance. He competes against the biggest, strongest, and NASTIEST people America has to offer. The opposing D-Lineman say shit 10x's as bad in a game. Your skin has to be made of leather and your feelings better not interfere in this game or you'll never make it.
Nastiest? I doubt that. A lot more nasty getting shot at then playing football.
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bottom line:
incognito was told to toughen the kid up. the kid is either gay or a big puss. now he's gonna make his money suing a player, the team and the nfl so he wont' have to get hit anymore (on the field).
i would replace schwartz today with incognito if he could play right tackle.
we need a rough/tough bastard on our line.
nasty.
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Have you seen the video of Incognito running around a bar, shirtless, threatening to beat up normal sized people? Do you know he was kicked out of two colleges? Do you know he's been charged with battery against a woman? Did you hear the things he said to Martin, even though it's well known that Martin isn't your typical psycho-synthetic football player (which should be fine)? Did you know he insisted on holding OL meetings in a strip club and fined the guys who didn't wanna do that? Extorted money? Somebody somewhere really wants to defend this guy?
That New Orleans TE who is permanently blind in one eye thanks to hazing (Cleeland) also played for the Rams and said the obvious: Incognito is a very bad human being, probably clinically unbalanced, filled with rage and hate. Yes, that's probably true of a lot of people who play violent sports or carry guns for a living. We need them in wars (and rarely know what to do with them when they return).
Does it fly to just say, "Well, that's the way it is in pro football. Tough shit?" No. Of course not. Wrong is wrong, period, and a workplace is still a workplace, and recruiting others to treat an emotionally fragile guy like a dog is despicable and grotesque, undeniably. Let's not fall in line with the other shruggers. Be disgusted, for God's sake.
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bottom line:
incognito was told to toughen the kid up. the kid is either gay or a big puss. now he's gonna make his money suing a player, the team and the nfl so he wont' have to get hit anymore (on the field).
i would replace schwartz today with incognito if he could play right tackle.
we need a rough/tough bastard on our line.
nasty.
bottom line:
incognito was told to toughen the kid up. the kid is either gay or a big puss. now he's gonna make his money suing a player, the team and the nfl so he wont' have to get hit anymore (on the field).
i would replace schwartz today with incognito if he could play right tackle.
we need a rough/tough bastard on our line.
nasty.
You said it bro.
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Have you seen the video of Incognito running around a bar, shirtless, threatening to beat up normal sized people? Do you know he was kicked out of two colleges? Do you know he's been charged with battery against a woman? Did you hear the things he said to Martin, even though it's well known that Martin isn't your typical psycho-synthetic football player (which should be fine)? Did you know he insisted on holding OL meetings in a strip club and fined the guys who didn't wanna do that? Extorted money? Somebody somewhere really wants to defend this guy?
That New Orleans TE who is permanently blind in one eye thanks to hazing (Cleeland) also played for the Rams and said the obvious: Incognito is a very bad human being, probably clinically unbalanced, filled with rage and hate. Yes, that's probably true of a lot of people who play violent sports or carry guns for a living. We need them in wars (and rarely know what to do with them when they return).
Does it fly to just say, "Well, that's the way it is in pro football. Tough shit?" No. Of course not. Wrong is wrong, period, and a workplace is still a workplace, and recruiting others to treat an emotionally fragile guy like a dog is despicable and grotesque, undeniably. Let's not fall in line with the other shruggers. Be disgusted, for God's sake.
Have you seen the video of Incognito running around a bar, shirtless, threatening to beat up normal sized people? Do you know he was kicked out of two colleges? Do you know he's been charged with battery against a woman? Did you hear the things he said to Martin, even though it's well known that Martin isn't your typical psycho-synthetic football player (which should be fine)? Did you know he insisted on holding OL meetings in a strip club and fined the guys who didn't wanna do that? Extorted money? Somebody somewhere really wants to defend this guy?
That New Orleans TE who is permanently blind in one eye thanks to hazing (Cleeland) also played for the Rams and said the obvious: Incognito is a very bad human being, probably clinically unbalanced, filled with rage and hate. Yes, that's probably true of a lot of people who play violent sports or carry guns for a living. We need them in wars (and rarely know what to do with them when they return).
Does it fly to just say, "Well, that's the way it is in pro football. Tough shit?" No. Of course not. Wrong is wrong, period, and a workplace is still a workplace, and recruiting others to treat an emotionally fragile guy like a dog is despicable and grotesque, undeniably. Let's not fall in line with the other shruggers. Be disgusted, for God's sake.
god forbid he hit one of your surfer boy QBs.
oi!
dude this ain't no water polo we're talking about. i say the same shit to my best friends all the time. pouncey even came on the record as saying he was his brother and even let him call him the N word. all my friends who are white (like myself) greet and bitch and play around calling each other that word with an 'a' at the end. is it a nice word? hell no. who promoted it? the same people that bitch about the word being used by anyone other than a black person. but yet those black people are making their money either by rapping and selling huge $$$$$ albums around the world and they think little johnny in suburbia isn't going to buy it,listen to it, and rhyme along with it? what's the kid going to do, everytime the rapper comes out and says 'N333#r', replace it with a word like snigger? man this shit is long gone and all these uptight racist black people need to get over the fact that this word is being used by everyone and it's not used as a word of hate. sure if you're dressed up in a white sheet and hood and come crawling up in your front yard and light a cross on fire that's different. but steven a. smith and michael wilbon and other these other blow-hard black announcers or show-hosts need to get over themselves by declaring this thing a need for another hundred man march. reverse racism took over the day when the likes of don draper dropped dead.
as far as incognito goes, i betcha he lands on an NFL team before martin ever does again (he doesn't want to get hurt or hit, so he'll make his money in a lawsuit). and incognito was right, when the light of day hits the situation and the truth comes out he won't be the one getting hurt by it. every pro player i've heard from (that plays the game today, not some old fossilized dude like tom jackson who still carries the torch for everything black) says that martin was a punk and if he had a problem with incognito he should have stomped him.
guess he didn't have it in him. i'll sign incognito TODAY! at least he can play a position. unlike some on our OLine.
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Shall we discuss the semantics of "nigga" and "n*gger"?
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Is it bullying when Incognito never layed a finger on him? He said some mean words. If he was dunking his head in a toilet, or causing him physical pain maybe I'd have sympathy for Martin.
XxDaBuckeyexX said:
Is it bullying when Incognito never layed a finger on him?
Yes. Bullying isn't just a physical thing.
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Come on gft. British bully, only they are polite about. Like "sorry old chap to have kicked you in the balls".
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People kill themselves daily because of mental/verbal abuse. Just because you were born fortunate to take verbal abuse well others weren't. Look, if you want to sit there and tell me the league is being 'pussified' because of new rules, I'll totally agree. But you're not making players softer by cutting the shit Incognito obviously did to the guy out of the locker room. You can be nasty on the field and a regular, respectful human being off of it.
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Martin is mentally ill, why does no one see this? Anyone on this forum would have told the bully to go fuck himself, i don't care how big he is. There's no excuse for a grown man being bullied, take the ass whooping and be done with it, hell you might even give the bully an ass whoopin. Martin is the one who looks bad imo, he shoulda got some mental help privately. He should've none football wasn't the sport for him when he was younger, golf would've suited him better. What world do you people live in were everyone is nice to one another, i've met a thousand assholes in my day and been called everything from honky to the devil but i never cried about it and ran to others for help and lawsuits. This is all a scam so a mentally ill man can get free money and sit on his fatass instead of fixing the problem thats in his head.
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