All you former Weeden supporters need to apologize
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The majority opinion was that who knew how good he could be after last year and Shurmurs outdated offense. Let's see what he can do this year in an offense that seemed to be tailor made for Weeden to succeed. We found out that it was tailor made for him to suck at even higher levels of suckiness than he displayed last year which is hard to believe since he sucked pretty bad last year as well.
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Well boys and girls I don't apologize for jack shit. If Brandon Weeden starts next week I'll root for him then and the week after and the week after that. I hope he gets his shit together and beats the Pittsburgh fucking Steelers.
Speaking of sucking somebody's pecker could you guys maybe dust off your knees for a minute and look at some replays from the defensive side of the ball? I sat here watching that game with one of our esteemed posters and we watched play after play after play as the faguars converted just about every third down they faced. 4, 8, 13, 12, six, 5 yards every time the bastards touched the ball.
And that wasn't with a Joe Namath at the helm.
And Gordon can't catch any ball that's not near him. That means somebody got it ther.
Am I disappointed that Brandon Weeden hasn't led the Cleveland Browns to a stack of winds? No shit. Just like the other 60 fucking quarterbacks that everyone hates that kept such a great Super Bowl caliber team from their destiny of greatness.
WSS
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hated both the TR and weeden picks.
just goes to show you what happens when your FO misses on picks. sets you back years.
fucking gordon is leadin the league today with ctches/yac and they only threw it to him what, 12 times?
shows how much confidence this coaching staff (WHO I PUT MY STAMP ON IT NOW.........SUCKS!!) has in him.
hated both the TR and weeden picks.
just goes to show you what happens when your FO misses on picks. sets you back years.
fucking gordon is leadin the league today with ctches/yac and they only threw it to him what, 12 times?
shows how much confidence this coaching staff (WHO I PUT MY STAMP ON IT NOW.........SUCKS!!) has in him.
I was meh on the TR pick too...I wanted tannehill over weeds.what still gets Me is Lomtardi wanted nothing to do with Josh Gordon and the kid is playing lights out football. and this years draft outside of Mingo looks..."shitty"...Im really leery of the upcomming draft...but I'll give Lomtardi props on bringing Hoyer on board.
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This FO has been a bit hit and miss on bringing in players to be honest.
Bess - Miss
Kruger - I'm calling it a miss
D Bryant - Hit
Mingo - too early
Groves - injury riddled hit (when he plays our rotation is much better and we tend to get more sacks)
McFadden - way too early, but hasn't done much good yet
Slaughter - miss, thus far
Gilkey - promising
A Bryant - hit
McGahee - miss - though I'm not sure what else we could have done
Hoyer - hit
Campbell - hit
Greco's new, 5 year contract - not looking great so far
Dion Lewis - too early, but promising
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I agree, basically this whole forum including the Mods were all WEeden supporters. All my posts get deleted. Unreal.
I agree, basically this whole forum including the Mods were all WEeden supporters. All my posts get deleted. Unreal.
For the same reason we're Browns fans- that is unless you want to see a first round pick flop. I was of the "show me" mode. I've never deleted any of your posts. But keep on being a jerk, we can arrange that.
And you're telling me you wouldn't want Colt McCoy on this team? Please, we would be an easy playoff team with him at the helm. You guys rip people apart for not going along with your Weeden dick riding escapade.
McCoy might possibly be an upgrade over Tanney, definitely over Weeden, but not Campbell. His ship sailed, and I'm not regretting it.
The majority opinion was that who knew how good he could be after last year and Shurmurs outdated offense. Let's see what he can do this year in an offense that seemed to be tailor made for Weeden to succeed. We found out that it was tailor made for him to suck at even higher levels of suckiness than he displayed last year which is hard to believe since he sucked pretty bad last year as well.
Nostradamus is blowing his horn he just knew Wee-Done was gonna suck from the get-go. He was only slightly ahead of the curve.
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i was a big mccoy supporter for the longest time, only because under mangini and with a running game the team played hard and looked very young and hungry and rob ryan defense WAS pretty good.
then the holmgren/shurmur under the table deal. holmgren basically drafted mccoy and when he saw that he wasn't all that lied to the kid's face and drafted weeden. mccoy's skillset just wasn't there for a downfield attacking style of offense and his height diminished his skills even further from not being able to see over the line. sure he could scramble but he ain't no russell wilson.
it was time to part ways when holmgren ran for the hills with his pot 'o gold, never apologizing for anything.
mccoy might have had a better record than weeden at this point only if he threw 15 yd. slants and outs and gordon ran for 50 yds a catch. but dude, the guy is gone. there's nothing anyone can do about it.
weeden just plain sucks with his decision making and his total lack of pocket presence and not being able to throw the ball with touch. just nothing but fastballs.
this draft will be huge.
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This FO has been a bit hit and miss on bringing in players to be honest.
Bess - Miss
Kruger - I'm calling it a miss
D Bryant - Hit
Mingo - too early
Groves - injury riddled hit (when he plays our rotation is much better and we tend to get more sacks)
McFadden - way too early, but hasn't done much good yet
Slaughter - miss, thus far
Gilkey - promising
A Bryant - hit
McGahee - miss - though I'm not sure what else we could have done
Hoyer - hit
Campbell - hit
Greco's new, 5 year contract - not looking great so far
Dion Lewis - too early, but promising
This FO has been a bit hit and miss on bringing in players to be honest.
Bess - Miss was brought in to be a possession receiver- Developed some dropitis, but what are you looking for in a #3 WR?
Kruger - I'm calling it a miss expensive, but does not suck
D Bryant - Hit
Mingo - too early
Groves - injury riddled hit (when he plays our rotation is much better and we tend to get more sacks)
McFadden - way too early, but hasn't done much good yet
Slaughter - miss, thus far
Gilkey - promising
A Bryant - hit
McGahee - miss - though I'm not sure what else we could have done was brought in as a one year rent-a-player. Stats as good or better than Richardson's. You were expecting LeSean McCoy numbers?
Hoyer - hit
Campbell - hit
Greco's new, 5 year contract - not looking great so far
Dion Lewis - too early, but promising
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This FO has been a bit hit and miss on bringing in players to be honest.
Bess - Miss was brought in to be a possession receiver- Developed some dropitis, but what are you looking for in a #3 WR?
Kruger - I'm calling it a miss expensive, but does not suck
D Bryant - Hit
Mingo - too early
Groves - injury riddled hit (when he plays our rotation is much better and we tend to get more sacks)
McFadden - way too early, but hasn't done much good yet
Slaughter - miss, thus far
Gilkey - promising
A Bryant - hit
McGahee - miss - though I'm not sure what else we could have done was brought in as a one year rent-a-player. Stats as good or better than Richardson's. You were expecting LeSean McCoy numbers?
Hoyer - hit
Campbell - hit
Greco's new, 5 year contract - not looking great so far
Dion Lewis - too early, but promising
This FO has been a bit hit and miss on bringing in players to be honest.
Bess - Miss was brought in to be a possession receiver- Developed some dropitis, but what are you looking for in a #3 WR?
Kruger - I'm calling it a miss expensive, but does not suck
McGahee - miss - though I'm not sure what else we could have done was brought in as a one year rent-a-player. Stats as good or better than Richardson's. You were expecting LeSean McCoy numbers?
Call Bess a miss because of the dropitis - for a possession receiver, it's the worst possible thing. Plus, he seems to have been promoted to #2 receiver, under the radar. 28ypg not great for a number 2 or 3.
Kruger doesn't suck, but we need more than that from a major offseason acquisition.
McGahee - it's difficult to see what else we could have done, but I'm sure we could have got 35 ypg, 2.8 ypc from any of the backs we have had available this year - Ogbonnaya, Rainey, Whittaker, or whoever.
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Bess - Miss was brought in to be a possession receiver- Developed some dropitis, but what are you looking for in a #3 WR?
Catching the football? Besides, he's officially the #2 receiver ... although they are both pretty much worthless, except for the one game where Campbell got them both involved.
Zombo
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Weeden is not horrible, he is just a middling type of QB. I never understood why he was worth a first round pick, and was mystified by that decision. He is only a year and a half younger than Roethlisberger, and you can put an upper limit on a player like that, only notable exception that I can think of being Roger Staubach. He was destined to only develop to a certain level.
Why they did not trade that pick for multiple lower rounders I do not know. Weeden surely would have been there later.
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Weeden is not horrible, he is just a middling type of QB. I never understood why he was worth a first round pick, and was mystified by that decision. He is only a year and a half younger than Roethlisberger, and you can put an upper limit on a player like that, only notable exception that I can think of being Roger Staubach. He was destined to only develop to a certain level.
Why they did not trade that pick for multiple lower rounders I do not know. Weeden surely would have been there later.
Weeden is not horrible, he is just a middling type of QB. I never understood why he was worth a first round pick, and was mystified by that decision. He is only a year and a half younger than Roethlisberger, and you can put an upper limit on a player like that, only notable exception that I can think of being Roger Staubach. He was destined to only develop to a certain level.
Why they did not trade that pick for multiple lower rounders I do not know. Weeden surely would have been there later.
If we're going to repick that draft, you take Luke Kuechly with the 22nd pick.
Middling QB? Middle of what? Not a middling starter for sure. A middling backup? Somewhere in the middle of the 90+ qbs in the league? Even that might be a stretch.
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Weeden is not horrible, he is just a middling type of QB. I never understood why he was worth a first round pick, and was mystified by that decision. He is only a year and a half younger than Roethlisberger, and you can put an upper limit on a player like that, only notable exception that I can think of being Roger Staubach. He was destined to only develop to a certain level.
Why they did not trade that pick for multiple lower rounders I do not know. Weeden surely would have been there later.
Weeden is not horrible, he is just a middling type of QB. I never understood why he was worth a first round pick, and was mystified by that decision. He is only a year and a half younger than Roethlisberger, and you can put an upper limit on a player like that, only notable exception that I can think of being Roger Staubach. He was destined to only develop to a certain level.
Why they did not trade that pick for multiple lower rounders I do not know. Weeden surely would have been there later.
Of course that is all hindsight. What Holmgren/Heckert wanted was a taller/stronger/stronger armed QB than they had in McCoy.
Well, they DID get that. Weeden is much taller and his arm is much stronger. He has great arm strength. Arm strength isn't his problem. Brain strength is his problem. If Arm strength was all that mattered we would have had one of the most stable QB situations in the NFL the last 6-7 years because Derek Anderson would still be here as our starting QB.
I mean, Derek Anderson is right now just 30 years old....an age where he should be in the prime of his career.....if his career had held the arc that he established in 2007.
But DA and Weeden, besides being the same age (DA born June 1983, BW Oct. 1983) seemed to have come out of the same womb when it comes to QB intellect.
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Weeden is not horrible, he is just a middling type of QB. I never understood why he was worth a first round pick, and was mystified by that decision. He is only a year and a half younger than Roethlisberger, and you can put an upper limit on a player like that, only notable exception that I can think of being Roger Staubach. He was destined to only develop to a certain level.
Why they did not trade that pick for multiple lower rounders I do not know. Weeden surely would have been there later.
If we're going to repick that draft, you take Luke Kuechly with the 22nd pick.
Middling QB? Middle of what? Not a middling starter for sure. A middling backup? Somewhere in the middle of the 90+ qbs in the league? Even that might be a stretch.
I rechecked the QB ratings, and you are right, he is lower than I thought. But what has not been answered is, why on earth did they pick him? A first round draft choice is a valuable commodity. And I felt at the time that Weeden equivalents are around on the waiver list all the time, so why draft one? Every team has draft busts, and every team also has overachievers who come from Podunk State, but this pick just made no sense from the get go.If we're going to repick that draft, you take Luke Kuechly with the 22nd pick.
Middling QB? Middle of what? Not a middling starter for sure. A middling backup? Somewhere in the middle of the 90+ qbs in the league? Even that might be a stretch.
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I rechecked the QB ratings, and you are right, he is lower than I thought. But what has not been answered is, why on earth did they pick him? A first round draft choice is a valuable commodity. And I felt at the time that Weeden equivalents are around on the waiver list all the time, so why draft one? Every team has draft busts, and every team also has overachievers who come from Podunk State, but this pick just made no sense from the get go.If we're going to repick that draft, you take Luke Kuechly with the 22nd pick.
Middling QB? Middle of what? Not a middling starter for sure. A middling backup? Somewhere in the middle of the 90+ qbs in the league? Even that might be a stretch.
I rechecked the QB ratings, and you are right, he is lower than I thought. But what has not been answered is, why on earth did they pick him? A first round draft choice is a valuable commodity. And I felt at the time that Weeden equivalents are around on the waiver list all the time, so why draft one? Every team has draft busts, and every team also has overachievers who come from Podunk State, but this pick just made no sense from the get go.
He's averaging only 50% completion rate, (and don't blame that all on Bess or Little- he's wildly inaccurate) 9\9 TD-INT ratio and a qbr of 70. most importantly, hasn't really won a game yet this year. That screams backup at best. He's had almost 2 seasons to show what he's got- and it isn't enough.
Weeden- and Richardson for that matter- were panic picks by H&H. Both were major reaches. Win now or bust- well, they busted big time. What they thought they saw in Brandon was a mature guy who could step right in and light up the league. They saw college tapes of that cannon arm tossing rainbows to a wide open Blackmon. What they didn't count on were his major flaws- panics under pressure- How many underhand bloopers has he tossed so far? Correct me if I'm wrong, but I count 4. Let's add in those strip sacks that have killed drives and games. Until he got into the Big Boy League, his other major failing wasn't apparent- between his ears- can't process the speed of the pro game adequately.
The guy is anti-clutch, take it to the bank he's gone after this year. He may possibly hang around the league a few years as a backup- mainly because of that cannon arm- but honestly, Colt McCoy has better credentials as a backup than Wee-Done.
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