Frantz Joseph & Lee Robinson
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looks like robinson might be our prime target at this point. he's at least in the sixth right now, but it sounds like he'll have a strong combine that will push him into the fifth, possibly into the late fourth.
it looks like getting the guys we want will largely depend on whether or not we can trade some of the guys we have.
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The DraftGuys have posted their Texas Vs The Nation Confirmations and Surprises. A lot of interesting stuff there; I recommend checking it out.
Here are a few snippets:
Frantz Joseph(LB-Florida Atlantic) - Joseph capped off a great week of practice by doing what he did all week during the game. Joseph had an interception on a deflected pass, and he also was a force against the run. Joseph was a wall when he met runners, and he also displayed the ability to shed a blocker and make the tackle. He hit with a thud on 243 pound RB/FB Frank Summers and turned into a heat seeking missile once he had the correct read on a running play. One weakness was exposed when Joseph did look sluggish in space chasing down an offensive player, but he was a stud when he was playing downhill.
Lee Robinson(OLB-Alcorn State) - You can see Robinson’s superior athleticism/size combo out there even if you’re not looking for it. He didn’t make huge plays like Joseph, but his burst off the snap, ability to fight through blocks, and one play where he easily threw an opponent to the ground all amounted to a good closing argument in the case he built to be a mid-round pick in the draft during the week in El Paso.
Rulon Davis(DL-California) - Davis, like Potter, got his arms up instinctively to disrupt passing lanes when he was kept from the QB, and he put on a show of handfighting technique rushing the passer. He’s a useful player who might not be good enough to start, but he’ll be a terrific rotation player, probably as an end in a 3-4.
Zach Potter(DT-Nebraska) - Potter isn’t sudden, and he isn’t strong, but he makes plays with his long frame and motor - including one sack when Drew Willy broke the pocket to run, and a batted down pass (which was his signature play in practice). Potter still gets beaten soundly when a lineman gets their hands into his body, and he was stoned way too easily by Stanford RB Anthony Kimble, but he could blossom if he can add 20 pounds of good weight and the accompanying strength in an NFL weight training program.
Will Johnson(DT-Michigan) - Like Zach Potter, Johnson has a slight lower body to hold up at the point of attack against the run, but his instincts and motor serve him well. He also projects as a quality 3-4 end, and he showed killer closing speed when he got a sniff of the QB on his sack. He handfought Roger Allen successfully, a guy he’s giving up at least 30-40 pounds to, and he also blew up a run play in the backfield. Johnson looks like he’ll be a quality rotational player in the NFL.
Stephen Hodge(S/LB-TCU) - Hodge doesn’t fit in NFL defenses - playing with a linebacker’s mentality at safety, but being a little small for an LB and lacking the coverage skills of a defensive back. Still, he was always around the ball, and flew in like a hawk when he had the read on a play. Hodge impressed by blowing up a Brannan Southerland screen pass - giving the lead blockers nothing to hit - and by coming up to force an outside run back into traffic. If Hodge goes by the wayside like recent LB/S tweeners Darnell Bing and Ernest Shazor, it won’t be for a lack of aggressiveness.
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Here's DraftGuy Sigmund Bloom on whether the Browns may be interested in Joseph & Robinson:
I think Joseph is a lot like Beau Bell, so I'm not sure if your Brownies need two thumpers. Still he'd be a great pick for any team, and I wouldnt be shocked if they took him.
Robinson is more athletic and maybe a better fit as an OLB in a 3-4, but he does have the size to play inside too. He could be a Leon Williams versatile type.
Robinson was invited to the Combine, but Joseph wasn't. Kind of makes sense: Robinson is the one with freakish athleticism, whereas Joseph is more of an instincts & toughness guy.
Still, this could put a ceiling on Joseph's draft stock. As the guys at DraftDaddy recently noted, the majority on non-Combine invites are taken after Round 4. And Heck's noted that 40 times tend to be highly determinative of a linebacker's draft stock.
If Joseph falls to us in the 6th Round, I won't be too upset.
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joseph in the sixth would be an absolute steal, someone i'd be ecstatic to have on the team.
remember that we still don't know what we have in bell or how he's recovered from his knee surgeries nor whether it's going to be an ongoing problem or not. there are a lot of question marks surrounding bell, and it's going to be a long offseason of wondering.
even with robinson's measurables, there's no way he's off the board before the fourth unless he does something utterly ridiculous at the combine like break 4.45 in the 40 or put up 32+ in the press, and anything below those insane numbers will keep him well into the fifth. however, he could be that fast, as wyoming rb devin moore, with whom he was able to keep up in coverage drills, has been timed at 4.38.
if we end up with robinson, let's hope he's nothing like williams, whose only versatility is the ability to suck anywhere on the field.
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Just read that Joseph's been running 4.7 40's during his pre-pro day training. His 3-cone times (agility) have hovered around 7.00 seconds, which is very good. Also, his shuttle times (short area quickness) have been in the 4.25-4.30 range (solid).
The Ravens and Saints are said to be interested in Joseph. If the Ratbirds end up with both Jameel McClain & Joseph, I'm going to be pissed.
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Recently watched some film of Joseph that made me a little less high on him, but this clip got me excited all over again:
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Great upper body strength, but looks a bit stiff, like an Abdul Hodge.
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That's a good comparison. FWIW, nfldraftscout compares him to Desmond Bishop.
He wasn't very good in the Troy game - got beat on some cutbacks, didn't look particularly agile, and got engulfed by blockers a few times. But he's looked great every other time I've seen him play.
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Joseph had a disappointing pro day, running a 4.83 40, only putting up 19 reps of 225, and posting a 27.5" vertical. After that workout, I'd expect him to slide to late day two.
One positive sign: the Browns sent representatives to Joseph's pro day. I certainly wouldn't mind seeing us take him in the sixth.
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Here's the Draft Guys' profile of Lee Robinson:
Robinson actually put up some pretty poor numbers at the combine: 4.67 short shuttle, 7.57 3-cone, 9'05" broad jump. Because of that, he should be available in the 6th Round; he could even end up being a priority UDFA type.
If we accumulate some additional picks, I wouldn't mind seeing us take a flier on this guy late in the draft.
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Im all about Frantz Joseph!! I hope we draft him in the 5th!
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According to TFY Draft, the Browns were one of five teams represented at Lee Robinson's pro day. Of the five, four run a 3-4 defense (Packers, Niners, Pats, and us).
Robinson's times were marginally better than the ones he put up at the combine but still unimpressive - 4.71 40, 4.41 shuttle, 7.25 3-cone. He likely remains a late round/undrafted type.
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According to TFY Draft, the Browns were one of five teams represented at Lee Robinson's pro day. Of the five, four run a 3-4 defense (Packers, Niners, Pats, and us).
Robinson's times were marginally better than the ones he put up at the combine but still unimpressive - 4.71 40, 4.41 shuttle, 7.25 3-cone. He likely remains a late round/undrafted type.
Aloysius said:
According to TFY Draft, the Browns were one of five teams represented at Lee Robinson's pro day. Of the five, four run a 3-4 defense (Packers, Niners, Pats, and us).Robinson's times were marginally better than the ones he put up at the combine but still unimpressive - 4.71 40, 4.41 shuttle, 7.25 3-cone. He likely remains a late round/undrafted type.
He may not be fast by he sure seems quick and fluid laterally. His coverage skills aren't bad either.
I loved how he turned his head to look for the ball on the go route.
I like Robinson a lot.
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Hey folks, thanks to Aloysius for linking to, and to this great community for watching our Draftguys TV profiles. I remain convinced that Joseph will be a starter at the next level, he has too much desire and determination, along with good natural size and strength, to be denied. Robinson is a much better athlete that his tests show, although he might be not be best suited for a complex scheme - he's more of a seek and destroy guy.
-Sigmund Bloom
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According to Scout.com, the Browns have privately worked out Lee Robinson.
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Joseph, who led the Sun Belt in tackles with 154 last season, is rated the No. 9 inside linebacker by nfldraftscout.com for the upcoming draft. He has run a 4.69 in the 40-yard dash and had 16 NFL teams show up to FAU's Pro Day in late February. The Dolphins, Jaguars, Steelers, Ravens and Browns have all had ongoing conversations with Joseph.
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Where he falls may not work out well for the Browns...Unless you reach for him at #104.
Or do you think the goes there now anyways Aloy? I figured he was 5th round guy...Where the Browns do not own a pick.
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5th round sounds about right. But he could slide to the 6th, where he'd be a pretty nice value.
And even though we don't have a 5th right now, we could pick up one if/when we start moving around the draft.
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From what I saw on the tapes above, I prefer Joseph....much better tackling. Seemed to me Robinson tended to arm tackle & "push" runners out. I like solid "wrap 'em up & put 'em down" tacklers.
Mike
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