Is there hope? Interesting Grossi read
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Tj ward and Benjamin helped that game. Weeden did OK, which isn't turning the ball over so much.Where is the light?: First, a question: Does anybody believe the Browns would be 4-9 if Hoyer or Campbell hadnt been injured? Of course not. I dont mean to pile on Weeden, but the one-year anniversary of his last win as a starting quarterback passed on Monday.
Sorry, but the Browns were behind 7-0 vs. Buffalo when Hoyer was hurt. Weeden played nearly that entire game....and gave a winning effort.
And really, vs. the Jags, Weeden did have them in the lead in crunch time only to see the defense blow it. I mean, they scored 28 points that game, which is about as many as the Browns have scored all year.
So, though it appears that Weeden has been bad....it has not been total suckage. Others have had their hands in the losses that Weeden has been credited with.
Besides hoyer had a beautiful pass on the first drive that was dropped by Gordon, and had the team driving on the 2nd drive before getting hurt.
Tj ward and Benjamin helped that game. Weeden did OK, which isn't turning the ball over so much.
Besides hoyer had a beautiful pass on the first drive that was dropped by Gordon, and had the team driving on the 2nd drive before getting hurt.
Well, the Browns still scored exactly -0- points with Hoyer in at QB.
All I am saying is that if Weeden is to get his share of the blame for some of his losses....blame he deserves, he should also get credit for the game he was responsible for winning.
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I feel like any competent Browns fan knows this already
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It's weird when Grossi writes something moderately positive.
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Tj ward and Benjamin helped that game. Weeden did OK, which isn't turning the ball over so much.
Besides hoyer had a beautiful pass on the first drive that was dropped by Gordon, and had the team driving on the 2nd drive before getting hurt.
Well, the Browns still scored exactly -0- points with Hoyer in at QB.
All I am saying is that if Weeden is to get his share of the blame for some of his losses....blame he deserves, he should also get credit for the game he was responsible for winning.
Well, the Browns still scored exactly -0- points with Hoyer in at QB.
All I am saying is that if Weeden is to get his share of the blame for some of his losses....blame he deserves, he should also get credit for the game he was responsible for winning.
His record as a starter this year is o-fer. Winning? He had a few quarters of semi-decent ball against the Bills, if you want to hang your hat on that. The rest has been unmitigated suckage. Don't blame the defense for not pitching a shutout when the turnover machine constantly gives the other team a short field to work with. He's single handedly blown a bunch of games. He's bottom of the barrel of quarterbacks who have played significant snaps- only Pryor and Geno Smith are worse in QBR.
He doesn't pass the eye test by a country mile of what an elite, or even decent qb looks like.
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Grossi is a complete tool...just discount anything the Moron writes/posts.
I think Grossi knows a LOT more than Mary Kay Cabot the beat writer for the Plain Dealer.
MKC of the infamous "I think Colt McCoy will lead the Browns to a Super Bowl win" quote.
They all make stupid remarks but as a writer and knowing the Browns Grossi is light years
ahead of MKC.
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Well, the Browns still scored exactly -0- points with Hoyer in at QB.
All I am saying is that if Weeden is to get his share of the blame for some of his losses....blame he deserves, he should also get credit for the game he was responsible for winning.
His record as a starter this year is o-fer. Winning? He had a few quarters of semi-decent ball against the Bills, if you want to hang your hat on that. The rest has been unmitigated suckage. Don't blame the defense for not pitching a shutout when the turnover machine constantly gives the other team a short field to work with. He's single handedly blown a bunch of games. He's bottom of the barrel of quarterbacks who have played significant snaps- only Pryor and Geno Smith are worse in QBR.
He doesn't pass the eye test by a country mile of what an elite, or even decent qb looks like.
His record as a starter this year is o-fer. Winning? He had a few quarters of semi-decent ball against the Bills, if you want to hang your hat on that. The rest has been unmitigated suckage. Don't blame the defense for not pitching a shutout when the turnover machine constantly gives the other team a short field to work with. He's single handedly blown a bunch of games. He's bottom of the barrel of quarterbacks who have played significant snaps- only Pryor and Geno Smith are worse in QBR.
He doesn't pass the eye test by a country mile of what an elite, or even decent qb looks like.
OK, yet, Jason Campbell is responsible for more TOs than Weeden is.
God knows what would have happened had Hoyer not bought the farm.
Right now, Campbell is the right choice.
....but my point is simple: both Weeden and Hoyer would each have gotten a win the last 2 games if the defense/special teams had performed up to par in crunch time.
When push came to shove at the critical part of the game....last minute/winning/losing time.....the defense lost it for us.
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His record as a starter this year is o-fer. Winning? He had a few quarters of semi-decent ball against the Bills, if you want to hang your hat on that. The rest has been unmitigated suckage. Don't blame the defense for not pitching a shutout when the turnover machine constantly gives the other team a short field to work with. He's single handedly blown a bunch of games. He's bottom of the barrel of quarterbacks who have played significant snaps- only Pryor and Geno Smith are worse in QBR.
He doesn't pass the eye test by a country mile of what an elite, or even decent qb looks like.
OK, yet, Jason Campbell is responsible for more TOs than Weeden is.
God knows what would have happened had Hoyer not bought the farm.
Right now, Campbell is the right choice.
....but my point is simple: both Weeden and Hoyer would each have gotten a win the last 2 games if the defense/special teams had performed up to par in crunch time.
When push came to shove at the critical part of the game....last minute/winning/losing time.....the defense lost it for us.
OK, yet, Jason Campbell is responsible for more TOs than Weeden is.
What?
Campbell 3 INT and 2 fumbles
Weeden 9 INT and 6 fumbles
Both started five games ... are we talking about a particular football game?
Cambell played both the Cinncy and Pittsburgh games with bad ribs, btw. But I'll take him with bad ribs over a healthy weeds.
Zombo
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OK, yet, Jason Campbell is responsible for more TOs than Weeden is.
What?
Campbell 3 INT and 2 fumbles
Weeden 9 INT and 6 fumbles
Both started five games ... are we talking about a particular football game?
Cambell played both the Cinncy and Pittsburgh games with bad ribs, btw. But I'll take him with bad ribs over a healthy weeds.
Zombo
Zombo said:
What?
Campbell 3 INT and 2 fumbles
Weeden 9 INT and 6 fumbles
Both started five games ... are we talking about a particular football game?
Cambell played both the Cinncy and Pittsburgh games with bad ribs, btw. But I'll take him with bad ribs over a healthy weeds.
Zombo
I guess I was thinking of the stretch from Cinci/Pitt/Jax
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OK, yet, Jason Campbell is responsible for more TOs than Weeden is.
What?
Campbell 3 INT and 2 fumbles
Weeden 9 INT and 6 fumbles
Both started five games ... are we talking about a particular football game?
Cambell played both the Cinncy and Pittsburgh games with bad ribs, btw. But I'll take him with bad ribs over a healthy weeds.
Zombo
Zombo said:
What?
Campbell 3 INT and 2 fumbles
Weeden 9 INT and 6 fumbles
Both started five games ... are we talking about a particular football game?
Cambell played both the Cinncy and Pittsburgh games with bad ribs, btw. But I'll take him with bad ribs over a healthy weeds.
Zombo
Ya beat me to it Z- Campbell is at least serviceable as a spot starter- Weenden belongs in the Arena League, or the CFL.
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Problem is ....browns in division with two perennial winners....both were sort of down this year and Browns will still finish last. I don't know what the answer is.
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Problem is ....browns in division with two perennial winners....both were sort of down this year and Browns will still finish last. I don't know what the answer is.
Problem is ....browns in division with two perennial winners....both were sort of down this year and Browns will still finish last. I don't know what the answer is.
The Browns need to get better and instead of finding new, creative ways to lose, they find new creative ways to win.
I do not think that any of those teams are much, if at all, superior talentwise to the Browns...except at QB...and not that much there even.
The Browns just know how to lose better than any other team around.
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