Josh McDaniels
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didn't Lombardi draft a couple of decent guys also? Mangini? Heckert? Al Davis? I think everyone gets lucky as some point.
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This reminds me a bit of when the Browns had to 'settle' for taking Chris Palmer. They had wanted Billick perhaps, and were really sold on Butch Davis.....but Davis was tied up and couldn't get loose....but 2 years later when he was available Carmen Policy cut Palmer loose and went heavy after Davis.
Perhaps the same thing here......LomBanner really really wanted McD....but he did not make himself available....but now that he apparently may be available, they are going to cream their jeans over him and unceremoniously dump the guy they didn't want in the first place.
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creamy pants and dumps. Is it something they ate?
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not everybody drafts 2 pro bowlers in one year, and Decker has the stats to make 3
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not everybody drafts 2 pro bowlers in one year, and Decker has the stats to make 3
not everybody drafts 2 pro bowlers in one year, and Decker has the stats to make 3
This year the Browns will draft 5.
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not everybody drafts 2 pro bowlers in one year, and Decker has the stats to make 3
This year the Browns will draft 5.
This year the Browns will draft 5.
and then trade them for Ray Ventrone and Jason Trusnik?
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Idk cant get excited at all with this guy. But maybe the third patriots patriots coach will work....
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So the plan could be McDaniels comes here...grabs his guy Manziel, and has Hoyer who also knows the NE offense...
Also, a few mentioned McDaniels should bring Mallett with him. Not likely but interesting to say the least. But it also doesn't make sense if Manziel is more what he'll be after in a QB.
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I could see McDaniels being the HC hire.
He hires Mike Sullivan (formerly with TB) as the OC (they run the same O)
He retains Ray Horton and many of the D coaches (some continuity there, plus I like Ray and the players like him)
McDaniels and Sullivan run the "Erhardt-Perkins" offense, which is the same offense Bellichick runs...
Horton runs a 3-4 style of defense similar to the "Fairbanks-Bullough" scheme Bellichick has always ran...
I think it would be a good fit, and would make Lombardi happy that we are employing his buddy Bellichick's systems in Cleveland...
We have the pieces to make it work, including Hoyer who knows the offense and could tutor our newely drafted QB, but we may just be missing 2 smart, solid route-running WRs... Maybe McDaniels could convince Edelman to come to Cleveland as a FA to help get this offense moving... and maybe Sullivan could convince Tiquan Underwood to come over in FA. Both of those guys know the system and could both play well in the slot... Add in Gordon, Benjamin, and a high-ranked draft pick and that's 5 WRs all capable of making explosive plays in this style of offense...
It just makes too much sense for it to happen...
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get over it guys, McDaniels isn't coming here. He's got next in NE when Belichick retires. If him and Belichick weren't on good terms that would be one thing....but McDaniels already had his HC flirtation and it didn't work out, now he's home in NE and they've told him explicitly that he's Belichicks replacement when the old man retires. Bill wants one more SB run and he's out. He's got 3 years tops in the tank, and if Brady leaves/retires less than that. But McDaniels is going to give up a spot in that franchise to come here? Sure...
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One problem I see with McDaniels is that he's had Brady to work with. It makes it hard to evaluate how much of the success is attributable to Brady vs the coaching staff. I mean the coaches can basically say "Tom, go win the game" and he does. I haven't seen a lot of innovation and outsmarting by the New England staff at all this year. Without Brady (and some help from the refs), my sense is the Patriots are below .500 this year.
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get over it guys, McDaniels isn't coming here. He's got next in NE when Belichick retires. If him and Belichick weren't on good terms that would be one thing....but McDaniels already had his HC flirtation and it didn't work out, now he's home in NE and they've told him explicitly that he's Belichicks replacement when the old man retires. Bill wants one more SB run and he's out. He's got 3 years tops in the tank, and if Brady leaves/retires less than that. But McDaniels is going to give up a spot in that franchise to come here? Sure...
get over it guys, McDaniels isn't coming here. He's got next in NE when Belichick retires. If him and Belichick weren't on good terms that would be one thing....but McDaniels already had his HC flirtation and it didn't work out, now he's home in NE and they've told him explicitly that he's Belichicks replacement when the old man retires. Bill wants one more SB run and he's out. He's got 3 years tops in the tank, and if Brady leaves/retires less than that. But McDaniels is going to give up a spot in that franchise to come here? Sure...
I think you're right about this one.
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get over it guys, McDaniels isn't coming here. He's got next in NE when Belichick retires. If him and Belichick weren't on good terms that would be one thing....but McDaniels already had his HC flirtation and it didn't work out, now he's home in NE and they've told him explicitly that he's Belichicks replacement when the old man retires. Bill wants one more SB run and he's out. He's got 3 years tops in the tank, and if Brady leaves/retires less than that. But McDaniels is going to give up a spot in that franchise to come here? Sure...
get over it guys, McDaniels isn't coming here. He's got next in NE when Belichick retires. If him and Belichick weren't on good terms that would be one thing....but McDaniels already had his HC flirtation and it didn't work out, now he's home in NE and they've told him explicitly that he's Belichicks replacement when the old man retires. Bill wants one more SB run and he's out. He's got 3 years tops in the tank, and if Brady leaves/retires less than that. But McDaniels is going to give up a spot in that franchise to come here? Sure...
The part I put in bold...Is this fact? If there is a positive reliable source that this comes from, then yes I can see he stays. But then why even bother giving permission to interview?
Maybe McDaniels has big enough balls to want to do it on his own, rather than be in the company of legacy-inherited coaches like Tomlin. Maybe he sees that when Brady is gone that it won't be that favorable. Who knows, we're all speculating.
And just to clear the air, I'm not saying I'm rooting for McDaniels to land the job, but at this time I think he's most likely.
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get over it guys, McDaniels isn't coming here. He's got next in NE when Belichick retires. If him and Belichick weren't on good terms that would be one thing....but McDaniels already had his HC flirtation and it didn't work out, now he's home in NE and they've told him explicitly that he's Belichicks replacement when the old man retires. Bill wants one more SB run and he's out. He's got 3 years tops in the tank, and if Brady leaves/retires less than that. But McDaniels is going to give up a spot in that franchise to come here? Sure...
The part I put in bold...Is this fact? If there is a positive reliable source that this comes from, then yes I can see he stays. But then why even bother giving permission to interview?
Maybe McDaniels has big enough balls to want to do it on his own, rather than be in the company of legacy-inherited coaches like Tomlin. Maybe he sees that when Brady is gone that it won't be that favorable. Who knows, we're all speculating.
And just to clear the air, I'm not saying I'm rooting for McDaniels to land the job, but at this time I think he's most likely.
The part I put in bold...Is this fact? If there is a positive reliable source that this comes from, then yes I can see he stays. But then why even bother giving permission to interview?
Maybe McDaniels has big enough balls to want to do it on his own, rather than be in the company of legacy-inherited coaches like Tomlin. Maybe he sees that when Brady is gone that it won't be that favorable. Who knows, we're all speculating.
And just to clear the air, I'm not saying I'm rooting for McDaniels to land the job, but at this time I think he's most likely.
They just interviewed some guy on 92 a few days ago who is either with ESPN or some major sports outlet that said it's out in the open that the Patriots have told McDaniels he's Belichicks replacement when the old man decides it's time. They're apparently actively grooming him as such. Of course they're going to do that because a franchise like NE looks ahead a few years, I would probably take their word for it if I was him but who knows....it certainly doesn't keep him from exploring other options does it? NE is not contractually obligated to make him the coach despite what they say, nor can they legally keep him from interviewing other positions just because they told him he's next. I dunno...if the rumors about him loving Manziel are true and he wants to be with the team that lands him...than who knows. I'm not sure we land Manziel anyway so what happens then? I think we would have been more than fine to let Chud coach through with this draft coming up. If we have to revamp the defense it's another 5-11 year if we're lucky.
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If it makes anybody feel better, Robert Mays at Grantland named Josh McDaniels as the best Coordinator of the year.
"We saw 17 weeks of NFL football, and I still have no idea how the Patriots won 12 games. Apparently, itβs because New England somehow has the fourth-best offense in football. I need an explanation of how thatβs possible. Having Tom Brady helps, but I still don't understand how McDaniels took this group and made it a viable NFL offense. Through 15 weeks, no quarterback had targeted rookies or players shorter than 6-feet more than Tom Brady, according to ESPN Stats & Information. If the Bearsβ receiving corps looks like an NBA team, the Patriots look like a middle school team.
The Pats have survived the same way they always do β with the ability to make first downs out of nothing. New England is always using motion and other tricks to turn those short throws to Danny Amendola and Julian Edelman into extensions of their running game, and even now, itβs still working. Oh, and we havenβt mentioned that McDaniels also lost maybe the best right tackle in football in November."
link: http://www.grantland.com/blog/the-triangle/post/_/id/87444/the-nfl-awards-they-should-give
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Tom Brady is that good...
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I could see McDaniels being the HC hire.
He hires Mike Sullivan (formerly with TB) as the OC (they run the same O)
He retains Ray Horton and many of the D coaches (some continuity there, plus I like Ray and the players like him)
McDaniels and Sullivan run the "Erhardt-Perkins" offense, which is the same offense Bellichick runs...
Horton runs a 3-4 style of defense similar to the "Fairbanks-Bullough" scheme Bellichick has always ran...
I think it would be a good fit, and would make Lombardi happy that we are employing his buddy Bellichick's systems in Cleveland...
We have the pieces to make it work, including Hoyer who knows the offense and could tutor our newely drafted QB, but we may just be missing 2 smart, solid route-running WRs... Maybe McDaniels could convince Edelman to come to Cleveland as a FA to help get this offense moving... and maybe Sullivan could convince Tiquan Underwood to come over in FA. Both of those guys know the system and could both play well in the slot... Add in Gordon, Benjamin, and a high-ranked draft pick and that's 5 WRs all capable of making explosive plays in this style of offense...
It just makes too much sense for it to happen...
I could see McDaniels being the HC hire.
He hires Mike Sullivan (formerly with TB) as the OC (they run the same O)
He retains Ray Horton and many of the D coaches (some continuity there, plus I like Ray and the players like him)
McDaniels and Sullivan run the "Erhardt-Perkins" offense, which is the same offense Bellichick runs...
Horton runs a 3-4 style of defense similar to the "Fairbanks-Bullough" scheme Bellichick has always ran...
I think it would be a good fit, and would make Lombardi happy that we are employing his buddy Bellichick's systems in Cleveland...
We have the pieces to make it work, including Hoyer who knows the offense and could tutor our newely drafted QB, but we may just be missing 2 smart, solid route-running WRs... Maybe McDaniels could convince Edelman to come to Cleveland as a FA to help get this offense moving... and maybe Sullivan could convince Tiquan Underwood to come over in FA. Both of those guys know the system and could both play well in the slot... Add in Gordon, Benjamin, and a high-ranked draft pick and that's 5 WRs all capable of making explosive plays in this style of offense...
It just makes too much sense for it to happen...
Actually, they got a guy on this roster that could easily play the Edelman role....perhaps even the Welker role: Josh Cooper.
If he had a Tom Brady throwing to him I think he could be that kind of guy.
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get over it guys, McDaniels isn't coming here. He's got next in NE when Belichick retires. If him and Belichick weren't on good terms that would be one thing....but McDaniels already had his HC flirtation and it didn't work out, now he's home in NE and they've told him explicitly that he's Belichicks replacement when the old man retires. Bill wants one more SB run and he's out. He's got 3 years tops in the tank, and if Brady leaves/retires less than that. But McDaniels is going to give up a spot in that franchise to come here? Sure...
get over it guys, McDaniels isn't coming here. He's got next in NE when Belichick retires. If him and Belichick weren't on good terms that would be one thing....but McDaniels already had his HC flirtation and it didn't work out, now he's home in NE and they've told him explicitly that he's Belichicks replacement when the old man retires. Bill wants one more SB run and he's out. He's got 3 years tops in the tank, and if Brady leaves/retires less than that. But McDaniels is going to give up a spot in that franchise to come here? Sure...
Yes. Sure. He will. Why? Because he will know that it will be no fun to "follow a legend". Especially without Tom Brady at QB.
He should want to make his own legend, here, in his home town. Not up with the spoiled Chowderheads who would not probably appreciate him there. They would expect him to follow the BB/Brady mold and be 12-4 every year and be in contention for the SB every year. He can't do that without a Tom Brady....and the Pats ain't likely to get on.
In my life I have only ever seen one HOF caliber QB replace another.....that was San Fran with Montana/Young. It won't happen there....but he could have it happen here. Yes.
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CAN someone explain to me the love for HORTON? Personally i think the D was OVER RATED hortons defense FAILED in crunch time. I personally thought he was biggest let down on the staff
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I could see McDaniels being the HC hire.
He hires Mike Sullivan (formerly with TB) as the OC (they run the same O)
He retains Ray Horton and many of the D coaches (some continuity there, plus I like Ray and the players like him)
McDaniels and Sullivan run the "Erhardt-Perkins" offense, which is the same offense Bellichick runs...
Horton runs a 3-4 style of defense similar to the "Fairbanks-Bullough" scheme Bellichick has always ran...
I think it would be a good fit, and would make Lombardi happy that we are employing his buddy Bellichick's systems in Cleveland...
We have the pieces to make it work, including Hoyer who knows the offense and could tutor our newely drafted QB, but we may just be missing 2 smart, solid route-running WRs... Maybe McDaniels could convince Edelman to come to Cleveland as a FA to help get this offense moving... and maybe Sullivan could convince Tiquan Underwood to come over in FA. Both of those guys know the system and could both play well in the slot... Add in Gordon, Benjamin, and a high-ranked draft pick and that's 5 WRs all capable of making explosive plays in this style of offense...
It just makes too much sense for it to happen...
Actually, they got a guy on this roster that could easily play the Edelman role....perhaps even the Welker role: Josh Cooper.
If he had a Tom Brady throwing to him I think he could be that kind of guy.
Actually, they got a guy on this roster that could easily play the Edelman role....perhaps even the Welker role: Josh Cooper.
If he had a Tom Brady throwing to him I think he could be that kind of guy.
I fail to see any resembelance, other than skin color. Edelman and Welker are both very speedy and were KRs in the early parts of their career. Cooper does not have that kind of speed...
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