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A Different Opinion on the Browns coaching search

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  • miktoxicM miktoxic

    @bigbaddawgjr said:

    How about bringing back some history. Bring back Marty ball. Marty was a good coach just could not get us pass the playoffs, but I would love to be in the playoffs again.

    i'd bring him back in a second if he wasn't 80 yers old.

    talk about dying on the job.

    BrownB499B BrownB499 wrote on
    #51

    @miktoxic said:

    i'd bring him back in a second if he wasn't 80 yers old.

    talk about dying on the job.

    Heard Schottenhiemer just bought a cemetery plot in Strongsville

    👍
  • miktoxicM miktoxic wrote on
    #52

    😆😆😆😆

    the strongsville thing never gets old.

  • Z Zombo
    You want a QB to win you a game? If you take Peyton and I take Brady, I like my chances

    How convenient. They both want to win a game 3:00 Sunday.

    Zombo

    **For the record, Denver was 31st in pass offense the year before Manning ... #1 Now.

    ***Also for the record, that "flop" Belichick started off slow, but he had the Browns in the playoffs at 11-5 the year before Art pulled the rug. He also went 11-5 with Matt Cassell.

    cdl15C cdl15 wrote on
    #53

    Zombo said:

    How convenient. They both want to win a game 3:00 Sunday.

    Zombo

    **For the record, Denver was 31st in pass offense the year before Manning ... #1 Now.

    ***Also for the record, that "flop" Belichick started off slow, but he had the Browns in the playoffs at 11-5 the year before Art pulled the rug. He also went 11-5 with Matt Cassell.

    Brady > Manning. If u don't see that than bias really plays into it.
    "We are Americans. We don't quit doing something because it's wrong. We just keep doing the wrong thing till it turns out right." Browns maybe the most American Football team ever.
  • cdl15C cdl15

    Zombo said:

    How convenient. They both want to win a game 3:00 Sunday.

    Zombo

    **For the record, Denver was 31st in pass offense the year before Manning ... #1 Now.

    ***Also for the record, that "flop" Belichick started off slow, but he had the Browns in the playoffs at 11-5 the year before Art pulled the rug. He also went 11-5 with Matt Cassell.

    Brady > Manning. If u don't see that than bias really plays into it.
    Z Zombo wrote on
    #54

    @cdl15 said:

    Brady > Manning. If u don't see that than bias really plays into it.

    What kind of bias? I have no real rooting interest for or against either of them their entire careers. I like them both a lot, actually. I'm just saying my eyes have seen a LOT of football games, and Manning has been the best at his position I have ever seen.

    The other guys that picked him as MVP and All Pro more than twice as many times as Brady must have been feeling the same thing.

    Zombo

  • Z Zombo

    @cdl15 said:

    Brady > Manning. If u don't see that than bias really plays into it.

    What kind of bias? I have no real rooting interest for or against either of them their entire careers. I like them both a lot, actually. I'm just saying my eyes have seen a LOT of football games, and Manning has been the best at his position I have ever seen.

    The other guys that picked him as MVP and All Pro more than twice as many times as Brady must have been feeling the same thing.

    Zombo

    Tour2maT Tour2ma wrote on
    #55

    Zombo said:

    What kind of bias?

    The kind where you disagree with him...

    Since he is perfectly objective... if you disagree, you must, by definition, be biased.

    It's the transitive property of Bullshit... or some such thing....

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  • Tour2maT Tour2ma

    Zombo said:

    What kind of bias?

    The kind where you disagree with him...

    Since he is perfectly objective... if you disagree, you must, by definition, be biased.

    It's the transitive property of Bullshit... or some such thing....

    cdl15C cdl15 wrote on
    #56

    @tour2ma said:

    The kind where you disagree with him...

    Since he is perfectly objective... if you disagree, you must, by defintajn, be biased.

    It's the transitive property of Bullshit... or some such thisuperbowl..

    no Hes just disagreeing with facts. Best REGULAR SEASON QB EVER I'd give u that. But to say best ever at his position when he doesn't even have a winning record in the playoffs is just ignorant. Especially when ur comparison is to the guy whom has more wins when it really matters in football.

    Now if u were going to start a football team and u had to choose from Payton stat monster himself 1 superbowl or his brother Eli run of the mill qb with 2 superbowls who u take knowing these facts right now?

    HINT: The whole idea of nfl is to win the superbowl.

    "We are Americans. We don't quit doing something because it's wrong. We just keep doing the wrong thing till it turns out right." Browns maybe the most American Football team ever.
    BrownB499B Flyin JF Z 3 Replies
  • cdl15C cdl15

    @tour2ma said:

    The kind where you disagree with him...

    Since he is perfectly objective... if you disagree, you must, by defintajn, be biased.

    It's the transitive property of Bullshit... or some such thisuperbowl..

    no Hes just disagreeing with facts. Best REGULAR SEASON QB EVER I'd give u that. But to say best ever at his position when he doesn't even have a winning record in the playoffs is just ignorant. Especially when ur comparison is to the guy whom has more wins when it really matters in football.

    Now if u were going to start a football team and u had to choose from Payton stat monster himself 1 superbowl or his brother Eli run of the mill qb with 2 superbowls who u take knowing these facts right now?

    HINT: The whole idea of nfl is to win the superbowl.

    BrownB499B BrownB499 wrote on
    #57

    @cdl15 said:

    Now if u were going to start a football team and u had to choose from Payton stat monster himself 1 superbowl or his brother Eli run of the mill qb with 2 superbowls who u take knowing these facts right now?

    HINT: The whole idea of nfl is to win the superbowl.

    So if you're starting a football team and you have to choose between Trent Dilfer or Dan Marino

    YOU are choosing Dilfer...Based on your criteria

    Good Luck with that analogy

    cdl15C 1 Reply
  • cdl15C cdl15

    @tour2ma said:

    The kind where you disagree with him...

    Since he is perfectly objective... if you disagree, you must, by defintajn, be biased.

    It's the transitive property of Bullshit... or some such thisuperbowl..

    no Hes just disagreeing with facts. Best REGULAR SEASON QB EVER I'd give u that. But to say best ever at his position when he doesn't even have a winning record in the playoffs is just ignorant. Especially when ur comparison is to the guy whom has more wins when it really matters in football.

    Now if u were going to start a football team and u had to choose from Payton stat monster himself 1 superbowl or his brother Eli run of the mill qb with 2 superbowls who u take knowing these facts right now?

    HINT: The whole idea of nfl is to win the superbowl.

    Flyin JF Flyin J wrote on
    #58

    @cdl15 said:

    no Hes just disagreeing with facts. Best REGULAR SEASON QB EVER I'd give u that. But to say best ever at his position when he doesn't even have a winning record in the playoffs is just ignorant. Especially when ur comparison is to the guy whom has more wins when it really matters in football.

    Now if u were going to start a football team and u had to choose from Payton stat monster himself 1 superbowl or his brother Eli run of the mill qb with 2 superbowls who u take knowing these facts right now?

    HINT: The whole idea of nfl is to win the superbowl.

    did you really believe that when typing it?....wow.
  • BrownB499B BrownB499

    @cdl15 said:

    Now if u were going to start a football team and u had to choose from Payton stat monster himself 1 superbowl or his brother Eli run of the mill qb with 2 superbowls who u take knowing these facts right now?

    HINT: The whole idea of nfl is to win the superbowl.

    So if you're starting a football team and you have to choose between Trent Dilfer or Dan Marino

    YOU are choosing Dilfer...Based on your criteria

    Good Luck with that analogy

    cdl15C cdl15 wrote on
    #59

    @brownb499 said:

    So if you're starting a football team and you have to choose between Trent Dilfer or Dan MarinoYOU are choosing Dilfer...Based on your criteriaGood Luck with that analogy

    I'll take the superbowl. For sure
    "We are Americans. We don't quit doing something because it's wrong. We just keep doing the wrong thing till it turns out right." Browns maybe the most American Football team ever.
  • C calfoxwc wrote on
    #60

    Talk about a good opinion on the Browns coaching search:

    http://cleveland.cbslocal.com/2014/01/13/sam-rutigliano-says-banner-and-lombardi-will-treat-new-coach-just-like-chud/

  • cdl15C cdl15

    @tour2ma said:

    The kind where you disagree with him...

    Since he is perfectly objective... if you disagree, you must, by defintajn, be biased.

    It's the transitive property of Bullshit... or some such thisuperbowl..

    no Hes just disagreeing with facts. Best REGULAR SEASON QB EVER I'd give u that. But to say best ever at his position when he doesn't even have a winning record in the playoffs is just ignorant. Especially when ur comparison is to the guy whom has more wins when it really matters in football.

    Now if u were going to start a football team and u had to choose from Payton stat monster himself 1 superbowl or his brother Eli run of the mill qb with 2 superbowls who u take knowing these facts right now?

    HINT: The whole idea of nfl is to win the superbowl.

    Z Zombo wrote on
    #61

    @cdl15 said:

    no Hes just disagreeing with facts. Best REGULAR SEASON QB EVER I'd give u that. But to say best ever at his position when he doesn't even have a winning record in the playoffs is just ignorant. Especially when ur comparison is to the guy whom has more wins when it really matters in football.

    Now if u were going to start a football team and u had to choose from Payton stat monster himself 1 superbowl or his brother Eli run of the mill qb with 2 superbowls who u take knowing these facts right now?

    HINT: The whole idea of nfl is to win the superbowl.

    Well, you sure do make it simple for yourself. Probably necessary.

    I think I got this.

    Eli Manning > Peyton Manning

    Trent Dilfer > Dan Marino

    Jeff Hostetler > Dan Fouts.

    Does this apply to other positions too?

    James Starks > Barry Sanders

    Antowain Smith > Jim Brown

    I'm sure you know that Tom Brady hasn't won a Super Bowl in ten years. Largely because during that ten year span, the great Eli Manning entered the league and beat down Brady twice. I guess that is because Eli is now the Greatest QB in the League ... because Tom Brady can't beat him in the only game that counts.

    Zombo

  • Z Zombo wrote on
    #62

    Bump.

    Z

  • Erie DawgE Erie Dawg wrote on
    #63

    looks like the best QB won today.

  • S Spectralcow wrote on
    #64

    HEY! No mention of Doug Williams?! Wth?! WAY better than Marino, obviously.

  • slowburnS slowburn wrote on
    #65

    when manning gets his ring next month he will finally become the "best" amongst the peyton doubters. we are fortunate witnessing one of the (if not the) greatest ever

  • LBC mikeL LBC mike wrote on
    #66

    Peyton is one of a kind. There won't be one like him for a while. The guy is pretty amazing.

  • BrownB499B BrownB499

    @the-gipper said:

    Only one flaw in your commentary.....even if Peyton wins he will not be considered the best there ever was. He won't even pass the guy on the other side of the ball on Sunday.

    If Peyton wins it all this year (and that's a big if...but he's getting closer) he will be the only QB to win a super bowl with 2 different teams.

    That would put him up there as one of the greatest of all time.

    Personally Montana would be my greatest ever simply because he never lost...And I'm old enough to have seen Starr,Unitas and Namath play.

    By the way Gipper,didn't Earl Moral come dam close to winning super bowls with two different teams?

    I was thinking he played some in the Colts win over Dallas...and then led the Dolphins all the way to the playoffs but stepped aside when Griese healed up?

    The GipperT The Gipper wrote on
    #67

    @brownb499 said:

    If Peyton wins it all this year (and that's a big if...but he's getting closer) he will be the only QB to win a super bowl with 2 different teams.

    Well, Kurt Warner came within seconds of doing that....and Tobin Rote did win Championships with two different teams. Maybe Peyton can aspire to be as good as Tobin Rote?

    That would put him up there as one of the greatest of all time.

    OK, get this: He is already up there as one of the greatest of all time. I still do not believe that if he wins that he is by any means clearly the greatest of all time...but he is in the team photo, and it is like a basketball team size roster, not a football team size.

    Personally Montana would be my greatest ever simply because he never lost...And I'm old enough to have seen Starr,Unitas and Namath play.

    Montana lost....in earlier rounds. Just like everyone else did. So that is not the main deal. But who one thinks is the GOAT is subjective. And subjectively my gut still puts Joe Cool and Tom Terrific ahead of the count.

    By the way Gipper,didn't Earl Moral come dam close to winning super bowls with two different teams?

    I was thinking he played some in the Colts win over Miami...and then led the Dolphins all the way to the playoffs but stepped aside when Griese healed up?

    Correct. Morral started almost all of the Dolphins game of their undefeated season in 1972.

    To be honest with you...in my opinion, Bob Griese is probably the most undeserving QB that has made the HOF. In his team's best year, he barely platyed.

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