Derek Carr
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http://www.sbnation.com/nfl-mock-draft/2014/4/14/5614326/derek-carr-2014-nfl-draft-scouting-report
Derek Carr 2014 NFL Draft scouting report
By Matthew Fairburn @MatthewFairburn on Apr 14 2014, 7:30p 2
In terms of physical ability, Derek Carr has everything a team could ask for in a franchise quarterback. So what's holding him back?
The underclassmen are dominating the quarterback talk leading up to the 2014 NFL Draft. Everyone wants to talk about Teddy Twatwater, Blake Bortles and Johnny Manziel.
Only one of the top quarterbacks in the NFL Draft was down in Mobile, Ala. for the Senior Bowl. Fresno State quarterback Derek Carr is the clear-cut top senior quarterback in this draft, but he seems to be having some trouble breaking into the perceived top tier among draft media types.
That's not to say NFL teams don't view Carr differently. He's definitely in the picture to be drafted in the first round and could easily be one of the first three quarterbacks off the board.
In terms of physical ability, Carr has everything a team could ask for in a franchise quarterback. So what's holding him back?
Arm strength and accuracy
Carr has the best arm talent of any quarterback in this 2014 NFL Draft. That may seem like a strong statement, but he proved it time and time again throughout the last two seasons. Even when his mechanics fail him, Carr can put the ball in any spot on the field with velocity, timing and accuracy. Additionally, Carr has exceptional touch and accuracy on his deep passes.
Comparing Carr to Matthew Stafford or Jay Cutler is not a stretch in this department. Regardless of his arm slot, footwork or the spot on the field he's throwing to, Carr can put the appropriate velocity on the ball. He's also an accurate passer in most areas of the field. Think about the throws that are important for an NFL quarterback to make: vertical routes, throws to the sidelines and throws into tight windows.
There are times when Carr's accuracy fails him, but we'll touch on that later.
Decision-making
Carr was destined to be a smart quarterback. He spent his childhood watching the every move of his brother David Carr, who was on the fast track to becoming an NFL quarterback. Jeff Tedford is a close family friend of the Carrs as well. Since he could pick up a football, Carr was absorbing information about the game. It shows up on the field.
Rarely does Carr force a ball into coverage or make a careless decision with the football. That's not to say he's not an aggressive passer, because he is. He's just smarter about it than most quarterbacks. It's tough to totally gauge his decision-making because of the offense he played in, which required him to throw a ton of screens and short passes. However, it is a positive sign that Carr isn't stubborn about his arm.
Field vision
The football intelligence Carr has accumulated over the years translates to his ability to read the field and make pre-snap judgments on what the defense is trying to do. For the most part, Fresno State's offense called for vertical passes and screens. There wasn't a ton of in-between. Carr also spent most of the time lined up in the shotgun formation. Reading defenses while dropping back is a bit of a different process. That learning curve shouldn't be steep for Carr, though, based on the habits he's shown in college.
Unfortunately, it's tough to get enough of a feel for how Carr reads defenses because of his offense. He was asked to make relatively simple reads that won't necessarily translate to the NFL.
Mechanics
And here's where we start getting into some of the negatives to Carr's game. His mechanics, particularly in his lower body, are inconsistent at best. He often throws off of his back foot and doesn't transfer his weight properly when throwing the ball. He also lets his throwing mechanics be affected by pressure in the pocket, whether it's rushing his throw and not paying attention to his arm slot or not taking the time to focus on proper lower body mechanics. Carr's biggest problems tend to come with pass rushers in his face, and that leads us to the other issue with Carr ...
Pocket awareness
It's tough to deny that Carr struggles when faced with pressure in the pocket. Granted, the problem was much worse in 2012 when Carr was a junior. As a junior, Carr was dealing with a hernia injury but played through it. He was tentative with pressure in the pocket and rushed his throws as a result. At times he even appeared rattled with bodies around him, and justifiably so.
Carr made strides in this area as a senior but still has a ways to go. Learning to anticipate pressure would go a long way toward solving Carr's problem. He doesn't have a natural feel for the rush and struggles to maneuver throughout the pocket when things get hectic. That's not always the easiest thing to learn at the next level, but Carr has the athleticism and natural feel for the game to pull it off. His internal clock may have been a bit screwed up at Fresno State because he was either throwing deep passes or screens. That isn't how he will be operating in the NFL.
Most importantly, Carr needs to learn to make sure his mechanics are not completely ruined by pressure in the pocket. His footwork, and consequently his accuracy, were too often adversely affected by teams bringing the blitz. Look no further than the USC game at the end of his senior season to see the effects pressure had on his game.
All of that being said, Carr is a tough player in the pocket. He's willing to take a hit and has enough athleticism to extend plays and keep his eyes downfield. He just needs to develop a more natural feel for pressure.
Pro Comparison: Matthew Stafford, Detroit Lions
Like Matthew Stafford, Derek Carr has a cannon for an arm. However, like Stafford, Carr also deals with issues in his mechanics that tend to hold him back in some key moments during games.
Final word
Carr grades out as a first-round pick. The improvement he showed in the pocket as a senior was encouraging. If he continues to improve in that area, he could be a franchise quarterback in the NFL. Rolling the dice on Carr in the late part of the first round would be the proper value for him. There isn't quite as much separating Carr and Blake Bortles as some people may think. Additionally, Carr is a huge plus in the character department. He is the type of person you want leading your franchise on and off the field.--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
This article I just came across reads perfectly into what I've been saying all along. I don't take it personally because nearly everyone at work as well is so brainwashed by the media they would think the sky was green if they told them enough. The point is that he has what we've needed for a long time in Cleveland and he's a certifiable QB, who is as polished as a QB can be coming into their first NFL season. We could have something special with he and Hoyer for a long time in Cleveland and it's something that I think all Browns fans should be entitled to. Manziel and Bortles and Bridgewater are what the media is selling but we don't need them to tell us what we need, we already know.
Kosar didn't have the greatest mechanics, Otto probably didn't either, but they got the ball to where it was supposed to be. If the coach orders it and the QB can deliver it, it's all good in my book. It's just funny that when Manziel does a jump pass falling backward over a defender and completes a pass he's a genius but when Carr does it....
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http://www.sbnation.com/nfl-mock-draft/2014/4/14/5614326/derek-carr-2014-nfl-draft-scouting-report
Derek Carr 2014 NFL Draft scouting report
By Matthew Fairburn @MatthewFairburn on Apr 14 2014, 7:30p 2
In terms of physical ability, Derek Carr has everything a team could ask for in a franchise quarterback. So what's holding him back?
The underclassmen are dominating the quarterback talk leading up to the 2014 NFL Draft. Everyone wants to talk about Teddy Twatwater, Blake Bortles and Johnny Manziel.
Only one of the top quarterbacks in the NFL Draft was down in Mobile, Ala. for the Senior Bowl. Fresno State quarterback Derek Carr is the clear-cut top senior quarterback in this draft, but he seems to be having some trouble breaking into the perceived top tier among draft media types.
That's not to say NFL teams don't view Carr differently. He's definitely in the picture to be drafted in the first round and could easily be one of the first three quarterbacks off the board.
In terms of physical ability, Carr has everything a team could ask for in a franchise quarterback. So what's holding him back?
Arm strength and accuracy
Carr has the best arm talent of any quarterback in this 2014 NFL Draft. That may seem like a strong statement, but he proved it time and time again throughout the last two seasons. Even when his mechanics fail him, Carr can put the ball in any spot on the field with velocity, timing and accuracy. Additionally, Carr has exceptional touch and accuracy on his deep passes.
Comparing Carr to Matthew Stafford or Jay Cutler is not a stretch in this department. Regardless of his arm slot, footwork or the spot on the field he's throwing to, Carr can put the appropriate velocity on the ball. He's also an accurate passer in most areas of the field. Think about the throws that are important for an NFL quarterback to make: vertical routes, throws to the sidelines and throws into tight windows.
There are times when Carr's accuracy fails him, but we'll touch on that later.
Decision-making
Carr was destined to be a smart quarterback. He spent his childhood watching the every move of his brother David Carr, who was on the fast track to becoming an NFL quarterback. Jeff Tedford is a close family friend of the Carrs as well. Since he could pick up a football, Carr was absorbing information about the game. It shows up on the field.
Rarely does Carr force a ball into coverage or make a careless decision with the football. That's not to say he's not an aggressive passer, because he is. He's just smarter about it than most quarterbacks. It's tough to totally gauge his decision-making because of the offense he played in, which required him to throw a ton of screens and short passes. However, it is a positive sign that Carr isn't stubborn about his arm.
Field vision
The football intelligence Carr has accumulated over the years translates to his ability to read the field and make pre-snap judgments on what the defense is trying to do. For the most part, Fresno State's offense called for vertical passes and screens. There wasn't a ton of in-between. Carr also spent most of the time lined up in the shotgun formation. Reading defenses while dropping back is a bit of a different process. That learning curve shouldn't be steep for Carr, though, based on the habits he's shown in college.
Unfortunately, it's tough to get enough of a feel for how Carr reads defenses because of his offense. He was asked to make relatively simple reads that won't necessarily translate to the NFL.
Mechanics
And here's where we start getting into some of the negatives to Carr's game. His mechanics, particularly in his lower body, are inconsistent at best. He often throws off of his back foot and doesn't transfer his weight properly when throwing the ball. He also lets his throwing mechanics be affected by pressure in the pocket, whether it's rushing his throw and not paying attention to his arm slot or not taking the time to focus on proper lower body mechanics. Carr's biggest problems tend to come with pass rushers in his face, and that leads us to the other issue with Carr ...
Pocket awareness
It's tough to deny that Carr struggles when faced with pressure in the pocket. Granted, the problem was much worse in 2012 when Carr was a junior. As a junior, Carr was dealing with a hernia injury but played through it. He was tentative with pressure in the pocket and rushed his throws as a result. At times he even appeared rattled with bodies around him, and justifiably so.
Carr made strides in this area as a senior but still has a ways to go. Learning to anticipate pressure would go a long way toward solving Carr's problem. He doesn't have a natural feel for the rush and struggles to maneuver throughout the pocket when things get hectic. That's not always the easiest thing to learn at the next level, but Carr has the athleticism and natural feel for the game to pull it off. His internal clock may have been a bit screwed up at Fresno State because he was either throwing deep passes or screens. That isn't how he will be operating in the NFL.
Most importantly, Carr needs to learn to make sure his mechanics are not completely ruined by pressure in the pocket. His footwork, and consequently his accuracy, were too often adversely affected by teams bringing the blitz. Look no further than the USC game at the end of his senior season to see the effects pressure had on his game.
All of that being said, Carr is a tough player in the pocket. He's willing to take a hit and has enough athleticism to extend plays and keep his eyes downfield. He just needs to develop a more natural feel for pressure.
Pro Comparison: Matthew Stafford, Detroit Lions
Like Matthew Stafford, Derek Carr has a cannon for an arm. However, like Stafford, Carr also deals with issues in his mechanics that tend to hold him back in some key moments during games.
Final word
Carr grades out as a first-round pick. The improvement he showed in the pocket as a senior was encouraging. If he continues to improve in that area, he could be a franchise quarterback in the NFL. Rolling the dice on Carr in the late part of the first round would be the proper value for him. There isn't quite as much separating Carr and Blake Bortles as some people may think. Additionally, Carr is a huge plus in the character department. He is the type of person you want leading your franchise on and off the field.--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
This article I just came across reads perfectly into what I've been saying all along. I don't take it personally because nearly everyone at work as well is so brainwashed by the media they would think the sky was green if they told them enough. The point is that he has what we've needed for a long time in Cleveland and he's a certifiable QB, who is as polished as a QB can be coming into their first NFL season. We could have something special with he and Hoyer for a long time in Cleveland and it's something that I think all Browns fans should be entitled to. Manziel and Bortles and Bridgewater are what the media is selling but we don't need them to tell us what we need, we already know.
Kosar didn't have the greatest mechanics, Otto probably didn't either, but they got the ball to where it was supposed to be. If the coach orders it and the QB can deliver it, it's all good in my book. It's just funny that when Manziel does a jump pass falling backward over a defender and completes a pass he's a genius but when Carr does it....
Its just funny that when Manziel does a jump pass falling backward over a defender and completes a pass he's a genius but when Carr does it....
Well, Manziel does it for a touchdown against Alabama.
Carr does it for a 12 yard gain against San Jose Community College.
That probably has something to do with it.
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Look you fucks, the point was his footwork or mechanics, I don't give a fuck if he wants to do a backflip and then Weedone flip pass the fucking thing as long as he gets the ball to the receiver. Kosar was awkward motherfucker throwing the ball but he got the job done, so what if Carr doesn't have the greatest footwork or whatever, he still has the strongest arm and best ACC coming out the draft this year.,,.. so bite my ass.
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Have you ever bet on a horse because you thought its odds were artificially high because real smart bettors were not betting it because all of the idiots were? That's how I feel about Derek Carr ... Po G has been so insanely wrong about everything ... That he is probably right about Carr.
My biggest problem with Carr is that he is a solid christian do-gooder type.
I'd rather have a Johnny manziel with whiskey on his breath and a used rubber on his dick throwing from the hip.
Z
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Look you fucks, the point was his footwork or mechanics, I don't give a fuck if he wants to do a backflip and then Weedone flip pass the fucking thing as long as he gets the ball to the receiver. Kosar was awkward motherfucker throwing the ball but he got the job done, so what if Carr doesn't have the greatest footwork or whatever, he still has the strongest arm and best ACC coming out the draft this year.,,.. so bite my ass.
Look you fucks, the point was his footwork or mechanics, I don't give a fuck if he wants to do a backflip and then Weedone flip pass the fucking thing as long as he gets the ball to the receiver. Kosar was awkward motherfucker throwing the ball but he got the job done, so what if Carr doesn't have the greatest footwork or whatever, he still has the strongest arm and best ACC coming out the draft this year.,,.. so bite my ass.
Except Carr's accuracy on throws 1-5 yards and 20+ yards is significantly lower than nearly all the quarterbacks in the draft.
So...you're wrong again.
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Look you fucks, the point was his footwork or mechanics, I don't give a fuck if he wants to do a backflip and then Weedone flip pass the fucking thing as long as he gets the ball to the receiver. Kosar was awkward motherfucker throwing the ball but he got the job done, so what if Carr doesn't have the greatest footwork or whatever, he still has the strongest arm and best ACC coming out the draft this year.,,.. so bite my ass. Carrdreamer
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Please stop. Kosar had a brilliant football mind, and got beat up a lot while still making plays.
Carr gets rattled under pressure like a tamborine. I'm not against Carr, that's up to the Browns. Farmer and Pettine rule, and know
what they are looking for, and who the right guys are.
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I think Derek Carr is gonna be a bust. He just doesn't seem like a winner to me in the NFL. Granted, having a brother who didn't do so well could be good because he can tell you what NOT to do, but still... I just don't like the vibes. He seems like if he came to Cleveland and failed he'd be one to blame the regime and the dysfunction within the organization. Not to mention when he played USC he layed a huge egg. I liked him and wanted the Browns to maybe get him until I watched that game. His one time playing a solid (and USC's defense isnt even that good) defense and he falls on his face... No thanks
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Have you ever bet on a horse because you thought its odds were artificially high because real smart bettors were not betting it because all of the idiots were? That's how I feel about Derek Carr ... Po G has been so insanely wrong about everything ... That he is probably right about Carr.
My biggest problem with Carr is that he is a solid christian do-gooder type.
I'd rather have a Johnny manziel with whiskey on his breath and a used rubber on his dick throwing from the hip.
Z
Zombo said:
Have you ever bet on a horse because you thought its odds were artificially high because real smart bettors were not betting it because all of the idiots were? That's how I feel about Derek Carr ... Po G has been so insanely wrong about everything ... That he is probably right about Carr.
My biggest problem with Carr is that he is a solid christian do-gooder type.
I'd rather have a Johnny manziel with whiskey on his breath and a used rubber on his dick throwing from the hip.
Z
HA!!
yeah fuck those right wing christian fucks.
i'll sell my soul (already in debt) to the devil for the browns to win it all before i drop dead of drinking swill for 30 years.
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Yo~
Damn I'm good!
-for all the Richardson responses; save it for about the midway point through this next season and then tell me what you think of him.
In MY opinion, he is the perfect instrument to run the rock... and now on top of that; you've went and pissed him off.
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Yo~
Damn I'm good!
-for all the Richardson responses; save it for about the midway point through this next season and then tell me what you think of him.
In MY opinion, he is the perfect instrument to run the rock... and now on top of that; you've went and pissed him off.
Yo~
Damn I'm good!
-for all the Richardson responses; save it for about the midway point through this next season and then tell me what you think of him.
In MY opinion, he is the perfect instrument to run the rock... and now on top of that; you've went and pissed him off.
You can't keep pushing back the date of when people are allowed to shit talk you about Richardson.
The guy sucks. He has sucked. Get the fuck over it.
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^ I almost forgot to harken back to the video.
Posted 15 February 2014 - 07:33 PM
We've all heard about Johnny Football, Bridgewater and Bortles. They are the supposed top 3 QBs coming out this up coming draft, right? Wrong. By far, the most polished, the best accurate, the strongest arm comes by way of Fresno State's Derek Carr.TCPO, Dawg, I'm not pushing back the date yo. All along, from the get-go I've stated that it was unfair to judge him last year. New system and moving and new terminology and protections, ect. - I said you would have to wait until he had a full off-season under his belt. He has had 1 legit season, you've had Management sell the team, new owners, new coaches, new F.O., new plays and playbooks, ect. THEN you're traded on top of that 4 weeks into the season.
I don't have to debate you whether or not he sucked. The film speaks for itself when he had his one season in Cleveland. He was exciting and made plays. I believe he even broke one of Jim Browns records as a rookie. Brown himself came out and said he was wrong for calling Trent 'ordinary' because he thinks Richardson is special... But, you can keep riding those coat-tails if you must to validate your point in vain
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^ I almost forgot to harken back to the video.
Posted 15 February 2014 - 07:33 PM
We've all heard about Johnny Football, Bridgewater and Bortles. They are the supposed top 3 QBs coming out this up coming draft, right? Wrong. By far, the most polished, the best accurate, the strongest arm comes by way of Fresno State's Derek Carr.TCPO, Dawg, I'm not pushing back the date yo. All along, from the get-go I've stated that it was unfair to judge him last year. New system and moving and new terminology and protections, ect. - I said you would have to wait until he had a full off-season under his belt. He has had 1 legit season, you've had Management sell the team, new owners, new coaches, new F.O., new plays and playbooks, ect. THEN you're traded on top of that 4 weeks into the season.
I don't have to debate you whether or not he sucked. The film speaks for itself when he had his one season in Cleveland. He was exciting and made plays. I believe he even broke one of Jim Browns records as a rookie. Brown himself came out and said he was wrong for calling Trent 'ordinary' because he thinks Richardson is special... But, you can keep riding those coat-tails if you must to validate your point in vain
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^ I almost forgot to harken back to the video.
Posted 15 February 2014 - 07:33 PM
We've all heard about Johnny Football, Bridgewater and Bortles. They are the supposed top 3 QBs coming out this up coming draft, right? Wrong. By far, the most polished, the best accurate, the strongest arm comes by way of Fresno State's Derek Carr.
TCPO, Dawg, I'm not pushing back the date yo. All along, from the get-go I've stated that it was unfair to judge him last year. New system and moving and new terminology and protections, ect. - I said you would have to wait until he had a full off-season under his belt. He has had 1 legit season, you've had Management sell the team, new owners, new coaches, new F.O., new plays and playbooks, ect. THEN you're traded on top of that 4 weeks into the season.
I don't have to debate you whether or not he sucked. The film speaks for itself when he had his one season in Cleveland. He was exciting and made plays. I believe he even broke one of Jim Browns records as a rookie. Brown himself came out and said he was wrong for calling Trent 'ordinary' because he thinks Richardson is special... But, you can keep riding those coat-tails if you must to validate your point in vain
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What coattails? My own? For saying that you were wrong from the very beginning?
A "special" player doesn't get traded one year into his career. Don't give me Brett Favre, either. Hardly the same scenario. A "special" player doesn't lose his starting position halfway through the season. A "special" player doesn't average the same YPC as the washed up, 32 year old vet with blown knees that replaced him.
He's about as "special" as any other Alabama RB in the league right now. Not special at all.
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XxDaBuckeyexX said:
Eddie Lacy is better. TJ Yeldon will be the best of em
Richardson was just as good as Yeldon in college. I'll wait until I say he can be good in the pros.
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He says the right things, but his body language says doesn't exude confidence.
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Hey I have an older brother and I learned alot from his mistakes. Like don't go study history education, study something with a positive job outlook. Don't drive drunk, you'll get in trouble. Be willing to move away for a few year for job experience. If you try to stick it out at home your career will go no where. I'm a successful and productive citizen because he is a dumbass failure and I say that with all the love in the world.
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