Cousins
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I really dont want Cousins, but I dont think Sheard's production would be hard to replace with more Mingo and having Groves back.any ideas on who to they bring in to replace him? cause him and mingo led our team in sacks right? You let Sheard go and we've got Kruger and Mingo as our outside pass rush. I'm not comfortable with that.
XxDaBuckeyexX said:
I really dont want Cousins, but I dont think Sheard's production would be hard to replace with more Mingo and having Groves back.
If I had any faith in Kruger bringing his numbers up next year I might be on board with that. But after watching RT's stonewall Kruger 1v1 all season long...I don't think we can risk losing Sheard. And if we go to a 4-3 than there's no question we have to keep Sheard. In that case Mingo might be the odd man. At 240 he's a LB'er in a 4-3.
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Didn't realize Cousins' numbers were that underwhelming. He passed an eyeball test with me, but those comparing him and Weeden seem to be on a smarter path.
I change my mind. He likely won't bring anything solid enough to provide what we need.
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Didn't realize Cousins' numbers were that underwhelming. He passed an eyeball test with me, but those comparing him and Weeden seem to be on a smarter path.
I change my mind. He likely won't bring anything solid enough to provide what we need.
He shouldn't be compared to weeden since he's a better,younger prospect IMO and plays a different kind of game. He had a couple good fill in games last year, one of which was against Cleveland. Then stunk it up in his few end of season games this year....
Didn't realize Cousins' numbers were that underwhelming. He passed an eyeball test with me, but those comparing him and Weeden seem to be on a smarter path.
I change my mind. He likely won't bring anything solid enough to provide what we need.
He hasn't proven he can be a starting QB in the NFL yet, so there's no reason to trade for him like he is IMO which some people are talking about. He's definitely not worth anything above a 4th, where he was drafted IMO. Especially not when we have Hoyer, who is about on the same level as far as unknown-ness and played nearly the same game in college as cousins.
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bbedward and I don't agree too often, but we do on this. To me, there's no real reason to trade anything for Cousins. If that level of QB is all that you're after, you're better off just keeping your picks and starting Hoyer. Personally, I think the Browns ought to at least try for something better than Hoyer or Cousins (even if it ends up not working out in the long run).
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We need three good QB's anyway. I'd have consider this pretty hard. Obviously, Shanahan would have a good idea of what he's worth.
RGIII must really think have some issues with even minor rivals.
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He shouldn't be compared to weeden since he's a better,younger prospect IMO and plays a different kind of game. He had a couple good fill in games last year, one of which was against Cleveland. Then stunk it up in his few end of season games this year....
Didn't realize Cousins' numbers were that underwhelming. He passed an eyeball test with me, but those comparing him and Weeden seem to be on a smarter path.
I change my mind. He likely won't bring anything solid enough to provide what we need.
He hasn't proven he can be a starting QB in the NFL yet, so there's no reason to trade for him like he is IMO which some people are talking about. He's definitely not worth anything above a 4th, where he was drafted IMO. Especially not when we have Hoyer, who is about on the same level as far as unknown-ness and played nearly the same game in college as cousins.
He shouldn't be compared to weeden since he's a better,younger prospect IMO and plays a different kind of game. He had a couple good fill in games last year, one of which was against Cleveland. Then stunk it up in his few end of season games this year.
He hasn't proven he can be a starting QB in the NFL yet, so there's no reason to trade for him like he is IMO which some people are talking about. He's definitely not worth anything above a 4th, where he was drafted IMO. Especially not when we have Hoyer, who is about on the same level as far as unknown-ness and played nearly the same game in college as cousins.
I think there is this desire to attempt to improve at this position and not too many creative avenues to take to do so.
People are loathe to believe that there is top talent for the fourth pick (and I don't tend to disagree with that). But the only reason they are going to be taken that high, is that there are quite a few teams picking early who share the same need.
BPA or draft for organizational weakness? Because there likely isn't going to be an opportunity to grab another potential starting quarterback in the second round or lower.
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Just a moment please to remember that Alex smith cost a second rounder last year and is significantly better than cousins.
Not interested.
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A 2nd for Cousins? No... and not only because I do not think Cousins if worth it.
One thing I think in learned from the draft simulator was that our 2nd round pick was pivotal... giving it up would just leave too big of a gap.
Maybe a third and a conditional 2015 pick...
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If we go to a 4-3...i'd send Kruger to the skins for Cousins and a bunch of their picks.
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if they don't draft a QB cut campbell and bring him in for a song and a prayer BUT in NO Fing way do i trade rubin OR sheard.
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We need three good QB's anyway. I'd have consider this pretty hard. Obviously, Shanahan would have a good idea of what he's worth.
RGIII must really think have some issues with even minor rivals.
We need three good QB's anyway. I'd have consider this pretty hard. Obviously, Shanahan would have a good idea of what he's worth.
RGIII must really think have some issues with even minor rivals.
If I give you the fact we need 3 GOOD QB's you have to give me that we have 1 in Hoyer. What convinces you that Kirk Cousins is worth a 2nd round pick? There is no way on earth he would be ranked as a 2nd round talent in the draft. He has done nothing to show he is a quality starter.
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if they don't draft a QB cut campbell and bring him in for a song and a prayer BUT in NO Fing way do i trade rubin OR sheard.
if they don't draft a QB cut campbell and bring him in for a song and a prayer BUT in NO Fing way do i trade rubin OR sheard.
Rubin or Taylor are possibilities imo, for the right price. We definitively have a surplus there. But yeah not Sheard. Especially if we go to a 4-3. If we do that I might shop Mingo if he can't make the transition to the 4-3 will. I love Mingo but I don't love him as a situational 4-3 edge rusher.
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if they don't draft a QB cut campbell and bring him in for a song and a prayer BUT in NO Fing way do i trade rubin OR sheard.
Rubin or Taylor are possibilities imo, for the right price. We definitively have a surplus there. But yeah not Sheard. Especially if we go to a 4-3. If we do that I might shop Mingo if he can't make the transition to the 4-3 will. I love Mingo but I don't love him as a situational 4-3 edge rusher.
Rubin or Taylor are possibilities imo, for the right price. We definitively have a surplus there. But yeah not Sheard. Especially if we go to a 4-3. If we do that I might shop Mingo if he can't make the transition to the 4-3 will. I love Mingo but I don't love him as a situational 4-3 edge rusher.
let's hope mingo has gained some weight in the weight room (not at mcdonalds) and proves himself worthy of his pick during camp. i think he and sheard could be a really good tandem in he 4-3 (not sure what we're running yet....most say a 3-4 hybrid....but what does that mean, sometimes you play a 4-3?). not too impressed with kreuger but maybe he will change my mind as well.
i just don't like the idea of trading away good depth or starters that have proven themselves like rubin when everyone is one play away from going down for the year.
all i know is we've got to address the D backfield (another CB and a S) which i have been screaming about forever.
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