Mack stays with Browns
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Joe Thomas averages 11.5 million a year and Mack thinks he's worth 10 or more? Give me a break.
Joe Thomas averages 11.5 million a year and Mack thinks he's worth 10 or more? Give me a break.
I dont recall Mack ever stating he was worth 10 million. Maybe he did I dont know.
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I thought he wanted Tackle money and not center money.
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Honestly, does this dude just not want to be a Brown? The Jaguars? Wtf.
Team has made a lot of improvements this offseason, and are taking good steps to being a winning team and the dude would rather get more money from the Jaguars. Let him go.
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Honestly, does this dude just not want to be a Brown? The Jaguars? Wtf.
Team has made a lot of improvements this offseason, and are taking good steps to being a winning team and the dude would rather get more money from the Jaguars. Let him go.
Honestly, does this dude just not want to be a Brown? The Jaguars? Wtf.
Team has made a lot of improvements this offseason, and are taking good steps to being a winning team and the dude would rather get more money from the Jaguars. Let him go.
I could be dead wrong, but I stated to Cal even before free agency that I don't think Mack ever wanted to be in Cleveland. This search for a "contract that the Browns won't match" pretty much confirms it & I say again that he can be replaced.
We may miss his talent for awhile, but "indifference" is never missed.
Mike
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The Browns will overpay for him, any team that beats that is going to WAY overpay for him. Let him go get his warm weather, I genuinely don't care.
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It seems the Browns have done due diligence in showing Mack he's their first choice under certain circumstances. The FO, from the owner to the OC visited Mack with a 'come on man'. Kyle undoubtedly gave Mack some insight into the scheme Mack would be expected to play in...Mack hedged and the Browns gave him a way to keep his high salary with the Transition tag and at the same time did all they could to avoid having a Center with a bad 'tude if Mack ends up being the Browns' center for another season.
In other words, Mack said no and the Browns did all they could to avoid having a pissed off center playing in games.
The Browns fall back position still gets a not bad. Players can be acquired even after the final roster cut time. I'm convinced Farmer, Pettine and Shanahan have a back up plan. The Center is the lynch pin of the OL.
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I'm fine with him walking for a couple of reasons. First, he does not seem to want to be here. Second, he isn't all that great of a run blocker. He's does well against the pass but needs to do more to open holes on running plays. If he stays, I'm fine with it. If he goes then I'm ok with that too.
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Fun fact, the Browns are in love with front heavy deals. That want deals where they can pay now while they have a ton of cap space, and then have those deals shrink in the following years to open it back up without have to try and restructure contracts. Most deals are even or back heavy (back heavy in order to sign a player while the team doesn't have cap room) and those are the deals that end up with teams trying to either restructure, trade, or cut players just to make more cap room 3 years down the road. We still have what? 30+ million in cap space? Thats room for Mack, a new contract for Hadan, and all the rookies we are going to sign. Considering that after the first year front heavy contract the player starts to make less money (in most cases) and considering that we definitely signed Dansby to a front heavy deal, our cap space would start to open back up next season.
The only way the Browns don't match is if it is like a 3 year deal that is averaging at $10 million a year. But if thats the deal then the Jags are stupid as hell and they can have Mack. If it is like they are saying, a front loaded 25-30 million deal for roughly 4-5 years, then the Browns, who have more cap space than the Jags I believe, will more than likely match.
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This is a lot of money for a Center. What would be the drop off from Mack at center to Greco, who is already signed to a modest contract?
The best part about resigning Mack is securing the position for years and not having to use one of our top picks on an interior lineman.
I think Mack's agent is using the Jags as a stooge to drive the price up ... But we are going to match whatever they come up ... Otherwise we would have put the Franchise tag on him and at least gotten compensation if someone signed him to a ridiculous contract.
Z
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What a cock sucker. Shouldn't he be worried about football. Later asshole. Leave for the Jags, too funny.
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no center @4 but it might make the need for one of the top 2 OL @4 a must.
i mean how are we going to run the ball from the center to right tackle?
i hate this game mack is playing and i hate the fact that he doesn't want to be here BUT it takes years for an OL to gel and really the only holes we've had are on the right side. keeping mack would mean we'd only have to tweak a couple of moves there (maybe taking a tackle moving schwartz inside?). losing mack means we have to look at other options that might cost us more in the long run and basically throw the running game out the window for the year.
but deep down inside i want to say FUCK YOU MACK and be done with the prick.
no center @4 but it might make the need for one of the top 2 OL @4 a must.
i mean how are we going to run the ball from the center to right tackle?
i hate this game mack is playing and i hate the fact that he doesn't want to be here BUT it takes years for an OL to gel and really the only holes we've had are on the right side. keeping mack would mean we'd only have to tweak a couple of moves there (maybe taking a tackle moving schwartz inside?). losing mack means we have to look at other options that might cost us more in the long run and basically throw the running game out the window for the year.
but deep down inside i want to say FUCK YOU MACK and be done with the prick.
Wow... This is everything I wanted to say in one post.
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I've said it all along, I want players on this team that WANT to be here. And he doesn't. While it would create a big hole, let the fucker walk.
Move Greco to center, move Schwartz to RG, draft a LG & RT, or something to that effect.
Just bring in dudes who WANT to wear the Orange, give their all for the team, and help bring the city the Super Bowl that the fans are so hungry for, and that they truly deserve.
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This is a lot of money for a Center. What would be the drop off from Mack at center to Greco, who is already signed to a modest contract?
The best part about resigning Mack is securing the position for years and not having to use one of our top picks on an interior lineman.
I think Mack's agent is using the Jags as a stooge to drive the price up ... But we are going to match whatever they come up ... Otherwise we would have put the Franchise tag on him and at least gotten compensation if someone signed him to a ridiculous contract.
Z
Zombo said:
This is a lot of money for a Center. What would be the drop off from Mack at center to Greco, who is already signed to a modest contract?
The best part about resigning Mack is securing the position for years and not having to use one of our top picks on an interior lineman.
I think Mack's agent is using the Jags as a stooge to drive the price up ... But we are going to match whatever they come up ... Otherwise we would have put the Franchise tag on him and at least gotten compensation if someone signed him to a ridiculous contract.
I do agree with Harry- a front loaded contract isn't a problem for the Browns this season. Might be down the road if it blows up the salary structure. and if he doesn't want to be here- well, Phil Dawson didn't either.
Z
I'm not positive the Browns would match if the contract is insanely front loaded. Every player does have his price. But if the Browns have been in serious negotiations and Mack's agent has turned down their offers- it brings into question if Mack really does want to be in Cleveland. One thing for sure, however this shakes out- Mack is going to wind up being the highest paid center in the league.
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Zombo said:
This is a lot of money for a Center. What would be the drop off from Mack at center to Greco, who is already signed to a modest contract?
The best part about resigning Mack is securing the position for years and not having to use one of our top picks on an interior lineman.
I think Mack's agent is using the Jags as a stooge to drive the price up ... But we are going to match whatever they come up ... Otherwise we would have put the Franchise tag on him and at least gotten compensation if someone signed him to a ridiculous contract.
I do agree with Harry- a front loaded contract isn't a problem for the Browns this season. Might be down the road if it blows up the salary structure. and if he doesn't want to be here- well, Phil Dawson didn't either.
Z
I'm not positive the Browns would match if the contract is insanely front loaded. Every player does have his price. But if the Browns have been in serious negotiations and Mack's agent has turned down their offers- it brings into question if Mack really does want to be in Cleveland. One thing for sure, however this shakes out- Mack is going to wind up being the highest paid center in the league.
I'm not positive the Browns would match if the contract is insanely front loaded. Every player does have his price. But if the Browns have been in serious negotiations and Mack's agent has turned down their offers- it brings into question if Mack really does want to be in Cleveland. One thing for sure, however this shakes out- Mack is going to wind up being the highest paid center in the league.
and if that means he ends up back here, one of the most scrutinized and disliked players in cleveland.
he'll have to seriously kiss some ass to get back in my good graces. they'll be lots of explaining to do.
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looks like the browns would match a front loaded contract as reported on nfl.com/ For some reason I can't post links.
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looks like the browns would match a front loaded contract as reported on nfl.com/ For some reason I can't post links.
looks like the browns would match a front loaded contract as reported on nfl.com/ For some reason I can't post links.
Here ya go:
"The point of this theoretical exercise is this: It will be nearly impossible for the Jaguars, or any other team, to construct a contract the Browns wouldn't match. The only way to do that is to give him an out-of-this-world deal. No right-minded general manager (which we believe Caldwell certainly is) should overpay a center, even one as good as Mack."
Really- as the article states, should the Browns just resign him they're going to be paying him $10 million this year anyway. $22 million over three years makes him the highest paid center, but on average it's not crazy, if you ignore the first year.
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This is a lot of money for a Center. What would be the drop off from Mack at center to Greco, who is already signed to a modest contract?
The best part about resigning Mack is securing the position for years and not having to use one of our top picks on an interior lineman.
I think Mack's agent is using the Jags as a stooge to drive the price up ... But we are going to match whatever they come up ... Otherwise we would have put the Franchise tag on him and at least gotten compensation if someone signed him to a ridiculous contract.
Z
Zombo said:
This is a lot of money for a Center. What would be the drop off from Mack at center to Greco, who is already signed to a modest contract?
The best part about resigning Mack is securing the position for years and not having to use one of our top picks on an interior lineman.
I think Mack's agent is using the Jags as a stooge to drive the price up ... But we are going to match whatever they come up ... Otherwise we would have put the Franchise tag on him and at least gotten compensation if someone signed him to a ridiculous contract.
Z
I don't know Z....the franchise tag costs a lot and it takes players way bigger than Mack to get teams to make the deal and drop 2 first round picks. We'd have been stuck paying him 12 mil a year and nobody willing to take him for picks, and no more clarity on his future then we have now.
Reports are we have been talking to his agent all the while with no results. I doubt we are low balling the guy and his agent knows the score, he isn't stupid. He knows what good money for a center is.....IMO Mack has given him the marching orders to get him out of Cleveland.
The Browns offer can't be any worse than what some of the other top centers have been signing for.......my opinion is the guy won't sign a deal with us unless it is a tag type, 1 year contract. The guy bolts at the first chance.
I say let him go if we have made a legit attempt to sign him, which I think we have.
I don't know how eager I'd be to Marry a girl if I had to talk her in to it.
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The cost of Mack is included in the current cap space. If Mack goes then the cap space increases about 10kk.
Edit note:
Ballpeen, I think Mack wants out too. I also think for Mack to tell the visiting FO 'NO', the Transition tag was a fallback/'avoid anyone being embarrassed' position. I hope the Jags or someone makes an offer. I won't be surprised if the Browns don't match it.
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how long are these guys on the market for? until training camp? regular season start? could he 'hold out' and do a revis where he won't play until he gets what he wants?
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