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  • B Bummie

    Because when Gordon posted the most yards in the league last year, we still finished 4-12. I'd venture to say Gordon and Cameron gave us a better set of pass catchers than a lot of teams. Why did we go 4-12...we couldn't rush the ball (OL/RB), we took 49 sacks (OL/QB), and we gave up too many plays on D (ILB/CB). Positions addressed. I saw a plan, poise, and a lack of pacic from a from office faced with expectation from fans to "win now," who after having their draft plans rocked 2 weeks ago by Gordon, stayed true and didn't make rookie mistakes.

    Nuckin FutzN Nuckin Futz wrote on
    #41

    @bummie said:

    Because when Gordon posted the most yards in the league last year, we still finished 4-12. I'd venture to say Gordon and Cameron gave us a better set of pass catchers than a lot of teams. Why did we go 4-12...we couldn't rush the ball (OL/RB), we took 49 sacks (OL/QB), and we gave up too many plays on D (ILB/CB). Positions addressed. I saw a plan, poise, and a lack of pacic from a from office faced with expectation from fans to "win now," who after having their draft plans rocked 2 weeks ago by Gordon, stayed true and didn't make rookie mistakes.

    Great post Bummie. Totally agree. No panic...stayed the course. That's how the professionals do it.

    Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former. Albert Einstein
  • hoortaH hoorta

    VesnaKociper said:

    Offense wins. The Browns have no offense........... 4 - 12

    I'm seeing 4-12 right along with you bud. But If offense wins go explain how Denver's super offense laid a super egg in the Super Bowl against a super DEFENSE. 🙂

    nickersN nickers wrote on
    #42

    @hoorta said:

    I'm seeing 4-12 right along with you bud. But If offense wins go explain how Denver's super offense laid a super egg in the Super Bowl against a super DEFENSE. 🙂

    Mhmmm sooo many super defenses win it every year...dead wrong..it happens every few years then everyone goes "look..defenses wins championships" keep telling yourself that..because we both know its not true.

    Nickers...."There are no old running QB's in the NFL "~Sam Rutigliano~
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  • nickersN nickers

    @hoorta said:

    I'm seeing 4-12 right along with you bud. But If offense wins go explain how Denver's super offense laid a super egg in the Super Bowl against a super DEFENSE. 🙂

    Mhmmm sooo many super defenses win it every year...dead wrong..it happens every few years then everyone goes "look..defenses wins championships" keep telling yourself that..because we both know its not true.

    P Pumpkin Eater wrote on
    #43

    @nickers said:

    Mhmmm sooo many super defenses win it every year...dead wrong..it happens every few years then everyone goes "look..defenses wins championships" keep telling yourself that..because we both know its not true.

    And yet the top offense in the league has never won the Super Bowl. Not once.

    :neutral_face:
  • Harry BuffaloH Harry Buffalo wrote on
    #44

    You need a combination of both. Having the #1 offense normally doesn't mean shit if your defense is giving up points just as quickly. Same thing goes for defense. You can have the #1 defense in the NFL, but if if you don't have an offense that can at least stay on the field for an extended period of time, your defense isn't going to do shit.

    Ruining threads since 1897.
  • B Bummie

    Because when Gordon posted the most yards in the league last year, we still finished 4-12. I'd venture to say Gordon and Cameron gave us a better set of pass catchers than a lot of teams. Why did we go 4-12...we couldn't rush the ball (OL/RB), we took 49 sacks (OL/QB), and we gave up too many plays on D (ILB/CB). Positions addressed. I saw a plan, poise, and a lack of pacic from a from office faced with expectation from fans to "win now," who after having their draft plans rocked 2 weeks ago by Gordon, stayed true and didn't make rookie mistakes.

    D BoneD D Bone wrote on
    #45

    @bummie said:

    Because when Gordon posted the most yards in the league last year, we still finished 4-12. I'd venture to say Gordon and Cameron gave us a better set of pass catchers than a lot of teams. Why did we go 4-12...we couldn't rush the ball (OL/RB), we took 49 sacks (OL/QB), and we gave up too many plays on D (ILB/CB). Positions addressed. I saw a plan, poise, and a lack of pacic from a from office faced with expectation from fans to "win now," who after having their draft plans rocked 2 weeks ago by Gordon, stayed true and didn't make rookie mistakes.

    Great post Bummie! The "sky is falling cuz we got no WRs" crowd won't get it, but I'm going to bookmark it, so midway through the season I can repost it. I don't know if we're going to go from 4-12 to 11-5 (I doubt it), but I fully expect to see better, more competitive and better yet, tougher football all season long when compared to anything we've been forced to endure in recent years........ Hell, since Belichick.

  • W Westside Steve wrote on
    #46

    I haven't heard a logical explanation for why that happened anywhere. There are hundreds of people getting paid hundreds of thousands of dollars for the insights to the NFL. Not one of these guys, nor any of the mugs here on this board seem to have any fucking clue whatsoever. I am assuming that they felt they were okay with what they had. Why is that? Who the hell knows.

    WSS

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  • U Unsympathetic wrote on
    #47

    WR's are shiny hood ornaments. They complete the offense, they do not make it. OL>WR every day of the week. Think about it: An average-to-good game for a WR is being on the other end of a pass for only 4 plays each game.

    Jerry Rice was not the centerpiece of the SF offense; it was #1 before he was drafted. However, the year prior to Rice, the leading receiver was Roger Craig.

    The offense will be better with Bitonio over Lee. The defense will be better with Gilbert over Watkins. The offense will be better with Manziel as well.

    Instead of worrying about Gordon being out, think of the Browns getting a high draft pick next year.. in addition to 2 first-round picks in the draft.

    "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." Paul Brown
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  • DownSouthKCD DownSouthKC wrote on
    #48

    VesnaKociper said:

    Offense wins. The Browns have no offense........... 4 - 12

    Depends on the Gordon situation really. We lost a couple games because our def sucks balls. We were only in the lead because of Gordon. Now we can run the ball with Tate and our oline (assuming). There is plenty of time to pull a trade or two for some WR help.

    4-12 isn't out of the picture but neither is 8-8 or better.

    You ain't drafting a receiver that automatically becomes a number 1 in year 1. Maybe after a year or two but not right away.

  • W Westside Steve wrote on
    #49

    by the way this whole tanking the season conspiracy theory is so fucking ridiculous that it makes Alex Jones sound rational.

    WSS

    www.westsidesteve.com www.myspace.com/westsidestevemusic www.cdbaby.com/artist/westsidestevesimmons
  • U Unsympathetic

    WR's are shiny hood ornaments. They complete the offense, they do not make it. OL>WR every day of the week. Think about it: An average-to-good game for a WR is being on the other end of a pass for only 4 plays each game.

    Jerry Rice was not the centerpiece of the SF offense; it was #1 before he was drafted. However, the year prior to Rice, the leading receiver was Roger Craig.

    The offense will be better with Bitonio over Lee. The defense will be better with Gilbert over Watkins. The offense will be better with Manziel as well.

    Instead of worrying about Gordon being out, think of the Browns getting a high draft pick next year.. in addition to 2 first-round picks in the draft.

    DownSouthKCD DownSouthKC wrote on
    #50

    @unsympathetic said:

    Instead of worrying about Gordon being out, think of the Browns getting a high draft pick next year.. in addition to 2 first-round picks in the draft.

    Well I was with you until that part. I do not want the Browns to have a high 1st round pick ... Unless you mean high in # like 20+ or do you mean high like early? Oh god, I just talked (typed??) myself in a circle.

  • PoeticGP PoeticG

    Sammy Watkins

    Xavier Su'a-Filo

    Derek Carr

    Carlos Hyde

    Stanley Jean-Baptiste

    Honestly, at this point- I would have rather had the Raider's Draft.

    T TexasAg1969 wrote on
    #51

    @poeticg said:

    Sammy Watkins

    Xavier Su'a-Filo

    Derek Carr

    Carlos Hyde

    Stanley Jean-Baptiste

    Honestly, at this point- I would have rather had the Raider's Draft.

    But guess what the Browns now have that the Bills don't. Extra 1st and 4th round picks next year. I say the Browns look a hell of a lot better when you add it all up.

  • Flyin JF Flyin J wrote on
    #52

    Dude. Get lost again. Nobody gives a shit about your shallow opinion. This was a good draft on paper, and thats all that matters at this point.

  • D BoneD D Bone wrote on
    #53

    Hopefully the mods will take care of him asap.

  • P Pumpkin Eater wrote on
    #54

    He's a homo who wants every browns player to touch his balls

    :neutral_face:
  • nickersN nickers

    @hoorta said:

    I'm seeing 4-12 right along with you bud. But If offense wins go explain how Denver's super offense laid a super egg in the Super Bowl against a super DEFENSE. 🙂

    Mhmmm sooo many super defenses win it every year...dead wrong..it happens every few years then everyone goes "look..defenses wins championships" keep telling yourself that..because we both know its not true.

    miktoxicM miktoxic wrote on
    #55

    @nickers said:

    Mhmmm sooo many super defenses win it every year...dead wrong..it happens every few years then everyone goes "look..defenses wins championships" keep telling yourself that..because we both know its not true.

    so misinformed.

    where do you look for your info BOY'S LIFE?

  • miktoxicM miktoxic wrote on
    #56

    i never got the username nickers. isn't that the english name for panties?

    manly.

    not.

  • P Pumpkin Eater wrote on
    #57

    How has Julio jones made the falcons better? Lol.

    :neutral_face:
  • P Pumpkin Eater

    How has Julio jones made the falcons better? Lol.

    T Taco918 wrote on
    #58

    @pumpkin-eater said:

    How has Julio jones made the falcons better? Lol.

    I'm assuming you've never seen him play.

  • T Taco918

    @pumpkin-eater said:

    How has Julio jones made the falcons better? Lol.

    I'm assuming you've never seen him play.

    P Pumpkin Eater wrote on
    #59

    @taco918 said:

    I'm assuming you've never seen him play.

    And their record compared to before and after they drafted him?

    :neutral_face:
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  • marcusM marcus wrote on
    #60

    Let's not forget we were 4-12 even with Gordon's 1600 yards and 9 TD's. Divided those among the receivers we have (I'm sure Hoyer or Johnny could) and run and take care of the football, play solid D and we're on our way to 10 or 11 wins. Just cool it brah. If we drafted a bunch of useless players at no positions of need then I'd agree but it's evident that they addressed the major needs in the draft.

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