Football Gameplan's 2014 NFL Team Preview - Browns
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taking lumps would not be a preferred term if i was going to compare QBs big or small. hoyer lumped himself. during his short term as starting QB for the browns i have yet to see him get LUMPED. or squashed or leveled.
same for manziel.
god help us all if that does happen to either one. i think hoyer as a vet knowing people want to take off QBs' heads might just out do JF in that respect.
just my opinion.
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All in all, a pretty solid take on the team considering training camp hasn't even started yet. I think we'll see enough of both Hoyer and JF to determine who has the upper hand. It's good to know we have both for this year at least. I do feel the most important position and the biggest unknown is the coaching staff, and we really won't get a good look at that until the regular season actually starts.
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All in all, a pretty solid take on the team considering training camp hasn't even started yet. I think we'll see enough of both Hoyer and JF to determine who has the upper hand. It's good to know we have both for this year at least. I do feel the most important position and the biggest unknown is the coaching staff, and we really won't get a good look at that until the regular season actually starts.
All in all, a pretty solid take on the team considering training camp hasn't even started yet. I think we'll see enough of both Hoyer and JF to determine who has the upper hand. It's good to know we have both for this year at least. I do feel the most important position and the biggest unknown is the coaching staff, and we really won't get a good look at that until the regular season actually starts.
yeah but you just can't say manziel is the starter and he can electrify the offense when he doesn't even know how to read defenses yet or know the offensive playbook.
that is ridiculous.
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The way I see it is the JFF is right now a hot dog that needs to be put on the grill for a bit, and have some condiments or seasoning first.
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All in all, a pretty solid take on the team considering training camp hasn't even started yet. I think we'll see enough of both Hoyer and JF to determine who has the upper hand. It's good to know we have both for this year at least. I do feel the most important position and the biggest unknown is the coaching staff, and we really won't get a good look at that until the regular season actually starts.
yeah but you just can't say manziel is the starter and he can electrify the offense when he doesn't even know how to read defenses yet or know the offensive playbook.
that is ridiculous.
yeah but you just can't say manziel is the starter and he can electrify the offense when he doesn't even know how to read defenses yet or know the offensive playbook.
that is ridiculous.
Yes you can because of his running ability. Just the THREAT alone will keep that backside defender at home, thus allowing an extra OL to get to the second level which THEN makes the running game more effective. You don't get that type of dictation with Hoyer. And like I mentioned in the video, Manziel won't see a lot of Man or blitzes because of his threat to run. You see the advantage the offense has by having a guy like that in the pocket?
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yeah but you just can't say manziel is the starter and he can electrify the offense when he doesn't even know how to read defenses yet or know the offensive playbook.
that is ridiculous.
Yes you can because of his running ability. Just the THREAT alone will keep that backside defender at home, thus allowing an extra OL to get to the second level which THEN makes the running game more effective. You don't get that type of dictation with Hoyer. And like I mentioned in the video, Manziel won't see a lot of Man or blitzes because of his threat to run. You see the advantage the offense has by having a guy like that in the pocket?
Yes you can because of his running ability. Just the THREAT alone will keep that backside defender at home, thus allowing an extra OL to get to the second level which THEN makes the running game more effective. You don't get that type of dictation with Hoyer. And like I mentioned in the video, Manziel won't see a lot of Man or blitzes because of his threat to run. You see the advantage the offense has by having a guy like that in the pocket?
Ditto.
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yeah but you just can't say manziel is the starter and he can electrify the offense when he doesn't even know how to read defenses yet or know the offensive playbook.
that is ridiculous.
Yes you can because of his running ability. Just the THREAT alone will keep that backside defender at home, thus allowing an extra OL to get to the second level which THEN makes the running game more effective. You don't get that type of dictation with Hoyer. And like I mentioned in the video, Manziel won't see a lot of Man or blitzes because of his threat to run. You see the advantage the offense has by having a guy like that in the pocket?
Yes you can because of his running ability. Just the THREAT alone will keep that backside defender at home, thus allowing an extra OL to get to the second level which THEN makes the running game more effective. You don't get that type of dictation with Hoyer. And like I mentioned in the video, Manziel won't see a lot of Man or blitzes because of his threat to run. You see the advantage the offense has by having a guy like that in the pocket?
I agree EM, but you have to understand many of these guys don't understand modern football and expect some flat footed Johnny Unitas to line up each week.
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Yes you can because of his running ability. Just the THREAT alone will keep that backside defender at home, thus allowing an extra OL to get to the second level which THEN makes the running game more effective. You don't get that type of dictation with Hoyer. And like I mentioned in the video, Manziel won't see a lot of Man or blitzes because of his threat to run. You see the advantage the offense has by having a guy like that in the pocket?
I agree EM, but you have to understand many of these guys don't understand modern football and expect some flat footed Johnny Unitas to line up each week.
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yeah thanks peen you grand gem of a football genius....
like i said in my original post if you would have read it is that manziel is not ready to step on the field yet.
yeah sure he might be christ off his crutch when he learns how to read a defense (do it in college much?). i also stated that hoyer has more above the neck than manziel and won't take that extra step that will get manziel killed. yes i said it. get manziel wiped off the ground like a bug on my fuggin windshield.
but let's see how long he lasts because you blowhards think he can just walk-on and be the next rg3. oh btw, how's that working out for him (robert griffin the 3rd) Em?
exactly.
there's your modern football.
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yeah thanks peen you grand gem of a football genius....
like i said in my original post if you would have read it is that manziel is not ready to step on the field yet.
yeah sure he might be christ off his crutch when he learns how to read a defense (do it in college much?). i also stated that hoyer has more above the neck than manziel and won't take that extra step that will get manziel killed. yes i said it. get manziel wiped off the ground like a bug on my fuggin windshield.
but let's see how long he lasts because you blowhards think he can just walk-on and be the next rg3. oh btw, how's that working out for him (robert griffin the 3rd) Em?
exactly.
there's your modern football.
yeah thanks peen you grand gem of a football genius....
like i said in my original post if you would have read it is that manziel is not ready to step on the field yet.
yeah sure he might be christ off his crutch when he learns how to read a defense (do it in college much?). i also stated that hoyer has more above the neck than manziel and won't take that extra step that will get manziel killed. yes i said it. get manziel wiped off the ground like a bug on my fuggin windshield.
but let's see how long he lasts because you blowhards think he can just walk-on and be the next rg3. oh btw, how's that working out for him (robert griffin the 3rd) Em?
exactly.
there's your modern football.
The difference btw he and RG3 is that RG3, like Vick, is a reckless runner. Manziel is not 'as' reckless of a runner. He actually runs under more control ala Russell Wilson & Vince Young. They don't take as many shots as the aforementioned guys do. Reading a defense is reading a defense if you're a QB. It doesn't matter if you're an option QB, zone read, spread, pro-style-PA or west coast…there's reads that are involved and it's your job to make decisions & keep the offense on pace. Did he do that at Texas A&M? Yes.
And didn't RG3 lead the Redskins to the playoffs in his 1st season? And despite coming back from injury last year, he played quite well. Those are two facts.
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yeah thanks peen you grand gem of a football genius....
like i said in my original post if you would have read it is that manziel is not ready to step on the field yet.
yeah sure he might be christ off his crutch when he learns how to read a defense (do it in college much?). i also stated that hoyer has more above the neck than manziel and won't take that extra step that will get manziel killed. yes i said it. get manziel wiped off the ground like a bug on my fuggin windshield.
but let's see how long he lasts because you blowhards think he can just walk-on and be the next rg3. oh btw, how's that working out for him (robert griffin the 3rd) Em?
exactly.
there's your modern football.
The difference btw he and RG3 is that RG3, like Vick, is a reckless runner. Manziel is not 'as' reckless of a runner. He actually runs under more control ala Russell Wilson & Vince Young. They don't take as many shots as the aforementioned guys do. Reading a defense is reading a defense if you're a QB. It doesn't matter if you're an option QB, zone read, spread, pro-style-PA or west coast…there's reads that are involved and it's your job to make decisions & keep the offense on pace. Did he do that at Texas A&M? Yes.
And didn't RG3 lead the Redskins to the playoffs in his 1st season? And despite coming back from injury last year, he played quite well. Those are two facts.
The difference btw he and RG3 is that RG3, like Vick, is a reckless runner. Manziel is not 'as' reckless of a runner. He actually runs under more control ala Russell Wilson & Vince Young. They don't take as many shots as the aforementioned guys do. Reading a defense is reading a defense if you're a QB. It doesn't matter if you're an option QB, zone read, spread, pro-style-PA or west coast…there's reads that are involved and it's your job to make decisions & keep the offense on pace. Did he do that at Texas A&M? Yes.
And didn't RG3 lead the Redskins to the playoffs in his 1st season? And despite coming back from injury last year, he played quite well. Those are two facts.
I'm a Griffin fan, but he had an 82 rating and a 3-10 record last year, so I'm not sure that it it is a Fact that he played quite well.
Z
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yeah thanks peen you grand gem of a football genius....
like i said in my original post if you would have read it is that manziel is not ready to step on the field yet.
yeah sure he might be christ off his crutch when he learns how to read a defense (do it in college much?). i also stated that hoyer has more above the neck than manziel and won't take that extra step that will get manziel killed. yes i said it. get manziel wiped off the ground like a bug on my fuggin windshield.
but let's see how long he lasts because you blowhards think he can just walk-on and be the next rg3. oh btw, how's that working out for him (robert griffin the 3rd) Em?
exactly.
there's your modern football.
The difference btw he and RG3 is that RG3, like Vick, is a reckless runner. Manziel is not 'as' reckless of a runner. He actually runs under more control ala Russell Wilson & Vince Young. They don't take as many shots as the aforementioned guys do. Reading a defense is reading a defense if you're a QB. It doesn't matter if you're an option QB, zone read, spread, pro-style-PA or west coast…there's reads that are involved and it's your job to make decisions & keep the offense on pace. Did he do that at Texas A&M? Yes.
And didn't RG3 lead the Redskins to the playoffs in his 1st season? And despite coming back from injury last year, he played quite well. Those are two facts.
He actually runs under more control ala Russell Wilson & Vince Young.
if you think about that statement right there then........wooh. not much of an analyst.
russell wilson is not a 'running' qb. when things break down he runs to the sidelines to get the first down. he's not the 'uh-oh...no wrs open i'm going to run up the middle and all around and go for 50 yards'. manziel will not last a year doing that in the NFL.
vince young, really?
your legitimacy just flew right out the window along with his career..
ask mike vick how he feels getting pummelled into the turf every season and then having to sit on the bench watching his career 'run away' from him like his talent.
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RGIII went to a team that was in their second or third year.
Not a first year coach, new system situation.
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yeah but you just can't say manziel is the starter and he can electrify the offense when he doesn't even know how to read defenses yet or know the offensive playbook.
that is ridiculous.
Yes you can because of his running ability. Just the THREAT alone will keep that backside defender at home, thus allowing an extra OL to get to the second level which THEN makes the running game more effective. You don't get that type of dictation with Hoyer. And like I mentioned in the video, Manziel won't see a lot of Man or blitzes because of his threat to run. You see the advantage the offense has by having a guy like that in the pocket?
Yes you can because of his running ability. Just the THREAT alone will keep that backside defender at home, thus allowing an extra OL to get to the second level which THEN makes the running game more effective. You don't get that type of dictation with Hoyer. And like I mentioned in the video, Manziel won't see a lot of Man or blitzes because of his threat to run. You see the advantage the offense has by having a guy like that in the pocket?
Manziel actually reading a defense at A&M? I saw plenty of jump balls to Evans, or scrambling until someone broke wide open. He won't have that luxury in the NFL.
Zombo said:
Because the two greatest QBs in modern football, Manning and Brady, are speed demons?
Z
hard to believe, Z.
The difference btw he and RG3 is that RG3, like Vick, is a reckless runner. Manziel is not 'as' reckless of a runner. He actually runs under more control ala Russell Wilson & Vince Young. They don't take as many shots as the aforementioned guys do. Reading a defense is reading a defense if you're a QB. It doesn't matter if you're an option QB, zone read, spread, pro-style-PA or west coast…there's reads that are involved and it's your job to make decisions & keep the offense on pace. Did he do that at Texas A&M? Yes.
And didn't RG3 lead the Redskins to the playoffs in his 1st season? And despite coming back from injury last year, he played quite well. Those are two facts.
Come on EM- everyone from Bill Parcells on down has concerns about Manziel's potential injury risk. Not as reckless? If Griffin is a 10, Manziel is at least an 8 on that scale. all he needs is one of those ballerina twists at the wrong time with a linebacker coming at him, it's bye-bye ACL.
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He actually runs under more control ala Russell Wilson & Vince Young.
if you think about that statement right there then........wooh. not much of an analyst.
russell wilson is not a 'running' qb. when things break down he runs to the sidelines to get the first down. he's not the 'uh-oh...no wrs open i'm going to run up the middle and all around and go for 50 yards'. manziel will not last a year doing that in the NFL.
vince young, really?
your legitimacy just flew right out the window along with his career..
ask mike vick how he feels getting pummelled into the turf every season and then having to sit on the bench watching his career 'run away' from him like his talent.
if you think about that statement right there then........wooh. not much of an analyst.
russell wilson is not a 'running' qb. when things break down he runs to the sidelines to get the first down. he's not the 'uh-oh...no wrs open i'm going to run up the middle and all around and go for 50 yards'. manziel will not last a year doing that in the NFL.
vince young, really?
your legitimacy just flew right out the window along with his career..
ask mike vick how he feels getting pummelled into the turf every season and then having to sit on the bench watching his career 'run away' from him like his talent.
Your comprehension skills leave me shaking my head.
Not once did I mention that Russell Wilson was a 'running QB'
Vick gets blasted by a defender every game…you can probably count on 2 fingers the times Manziel got 'blasted' at A&M
Oh, and lets act like Vince Young didn't have a 31-19 record as an NFL starter winning rookie of the year honors, taking a team to the playoffs that hasn't sniffed it since he left, while saving Jeff Fisher's job TWICE…all for a coach that didn't want him.
But don't let facts get in the way.
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And where's young now?
Oh yeah....
Great....the lil guy can run. Can he read a defense and throw the ball?
Yet to be seen.
And where's young now?
Oh yeah....
Great....the lil guy can run. Can he read a defense and throw the ball?
Yet to be seen.
Because only the best players are in the NFL right? Stephen Hill says hi while Darrius Heyward-Bey sends his regards as well
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Looks like some of the regular boys are gettin' jiggy with Diggy.
(I don't recall one of your video posts getting this much run and debate)
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Because only the best players are in the NFL right? Stephen Hill says hi while Darrius Heyward-Bey sends his regards as well
LOL, Jamarcus Russell stopped in the NFL for a cup of coffee too, EM. Yes, Manziel got drafted in the first round because of his athletic ability. Whether that athletic ability translates to the NFL- we'll find out soon enough. Most important attributes of an NFL qb? My .02 is reading a defense, unloading the ball quickly, and accurate throws. Mobility is plus, but as Zombo said Peyton Manning will never be considered a Crazy Legs Hirsch, but he excels in those other departments.
Looks like some of the regular boys are gettin' jiggy with Diggy.
(I don't recall one of your video posts getting this much run and debate)
It's just us Johnny hatin' curmudgeons that are taking a wait and see attitude about JF's potential to start game 1 instead of Hoyer.
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We'll find out soon enough. Training camp in 10 days, then pre-season.
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