Utopia
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I completely understand what you're doing pal. I'm just tossing some shit back.
Materialism or not traveling the world is something of a luxury that a lot of people would like to indulge in. For instance, we were just looking at a Viking River cruise. Didn't get too deeply into it but close to 4000 bucks and I'm not sure if that's each. I also just got an estimate for swimming pool which comes in around 30 K and doesn't include concrete electric or gas lines.
But if 10 or 15 percent of the people are working to provide all the free shit I'd imagine they are being paid pretty well. How much do you think you would need to tax them to provide luxuries for the 85% of slugs with no visible means of support? That's just something you need to figure out.
WSS
I completely understand what you're doing pal. I'm just tossing some shit back.
Materialism or not traveling the world is something of a luxury that a lot of people would like to indulge in. For instance, we were just looking at a Viking River cruise. Didn't get too deeply into it but close to 4000 bucks and I'm not sure if that's each. I also just got an estimate for swimming pool which comes in around 30 K and doesn't include concrete electric or gas lines.
But if 10 or 15 percent of the people are working to provide all the free shit I'd imagine they are being paid pretty well. How much do you think you would need to tax them to provide luxuries for the 85% of slugs with no visible means of support? That's just something you need to figure out.
WSS
At that point, the value of money is meaningless. Pay them more, tax them more, you basically just keep the money you need and give them a little of the remainder.
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I completely understand what you're doing pal. I'm just tossing some shit back.
Materialism or not traveling the world is something of a luxury that a lot of people would like to indulge in. For instance, we were just looking at a Viking River cruise. Didn't get too deeply into it but close to 4000 bucks and I'm not sure if that's each. I also just got an estimate for swimming pool which comes in around 30 K and doesn't include concrete electric or gas lines.
But if 10 or 15 percent of the people are working to provide all the free shit I'd imagine they are being paid pretty well. How much do you think you would need to tax them to provide luxuries for the 85% of slugs with no visible means of support? That's just something you need to figure out.
WSS
At that point, the value of money is meaningless. Pay them more, tax them more, you basically just keep the money you need and give them a little of the remainder.
At that point, the value of money is meaningless. Pay them more, tax them more, you basically just keep the money you need and give them a little of the remainder.
sure but I need a number. If you plan to provide luxury for 85% of non working Americans then the percent of tax taken from the 15 that are going to be really really vital to society will have to be huge. And if 15 percent of society provides everything do you think they will be happy making a similar amount to the deadbeats? I sincerely doubt it.
WSS
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Then we need to make sure that everybody contributes at some level, I'm sure plenty of people can be trained to be mechanics fixing the future robot cars. Then they work 5 hours a week for $10k, for example, plus food/travel/health/whatever benefits.
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Then we need to make sure that everybody contributes at some level, I'm sure plenty of people can be trained to be mechanics fixing the future robot cars. Then they work 5 hours a week for $10k, for example, plus food/travel/health/whatever benefits.
Then we need to make sure that everybody contributes at some level, I'm sure plenty of people can be trained to be mechanics fixing the future robot cars. Then they work 5 hours a week for $10k, for example, plus food/travel/health/whatever benefits.
Oh I guess you could actually force people to work. I suppose one job that would be pretty universal would be [insert euphemism for Gestapo here] to enforce that.
Oh and to force them to go to school to learn to service the robots.
This is looking better and better as the discussion goes on...
WSS
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So people, what does your utopia look like? How do you envisage a perfect world?
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As living creatures we are imperfect so there will never be a Utopia.
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In a perfect world instead of regional factions fighting over tracts of land we would be just humans striving to expand our influence into the universe. Anyone besides me ever play mass effect? Basically we should be the systems alliance.
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So people, what does your utopia look like? How do you envisage a perfect world?
this thread makes me think of my favorite movie, Vanilla Sky.
What is happiness to you, David?
The sweet is not as sweet without the bitter.
Utopia is a mindset, People think happiness is an achievement but its a choice.
To go past this becomes scary
You can't organize and fix the world. People are monkeys and sometimes they throw their own shit.
ok, i need sleep.
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Tx! I loved Vanilla Sky!
WSS
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OK, let me rephrase. When technology has advanced so much that we have driverless cars, self-sustaining farms and full clean energy, and jobs are not really something that everyone has anymore, would has to happen for the world to 'work' - no rioting from boredom or lack of possibilities etc.
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Space exploration. Am I the only one who thinks this is our only future?
Early man walked away as modern man took control. Their minds weren't all the same and to conquer was their goal. So He built his great empires and he slaughtered his own kind, and he died a confused man and killed himself in his own mind... -
No, I'm kinda with you on that. The idea that in 10 years' time people will have set foot on mars is really exciting.
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No, I'm kinda with you on that. The idea that in 10 years' time people will have set foot on mars is really exciting.
No, I'm kinda with you on that. The idea that in 10 years' time people will have set foot on mars is really exciting.
Uh....
Tell your what; call me when we get to an inhabitable planet.
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Space exploration. Am I the only one who thinks this is our only future?
Space exploration. Am I the only one who thinks this is our only future?
I agree. Although Obama has almost killed NASA.
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Space exploration. Am I the only one who thinks this is our only future?
I agree. Although Obama has almost killed NASA.
I agree. Although Obama has almost killed NASA.
They're just scientists though, remember? They're corrupt and just in it for the money. They can't be trusted.
Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody! -
Uh....
Tell your what; call me when we get to an inhabitable planet.
WSS
Why, what's wrong with Mars? We'll just need space.
Biodomes bitch
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I agree. Although Obama has almost killed NASA.
They're just scientists though, remember? They're corrupt and just in it for the money. They can't be trusted.
They're just scientists though, remember? They're corrupt and just in it for the money. They can't be trusted.
When have I ever said scientists were no good or in it for the money? I have followed astronomy and space explorations since I was a kid.
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@westside-steve said:
Of course for those who are extremely concerned about the ill effects of global warming or any other terrible side effects to the environment have scientists to thank.
Progress for the sake of progress is not necessarily a good thing.
Think about it for a minute. Some of you guys are talking about biodome on nearby planets because... Wait for it... Science and scientists have fucked up the earth so badly we can't live on the son of a bitch anymore. That's progress?
WSS
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