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Name any one that right now has a chance to become a HOFer? No one, as I documented above. If rapid change comes it won't come very rapidly....as in any time soon. There will not be a Heisman winning QB make the HOF for at least another 15 years. Like I said, the guys with some potential: Newton, RGIII, JFF....have practically their entire careers ahead of them.....then they will have another 5 year wait.
That is not to say that there won't be QBs inducted. Many will be......none of which though who won the Heisman.
Not a matter of being able to pick one now. As long as the Heisman continues its QB-fest, it's just numbers.
Not a matter of being able to pick one now. As long as the Heisman continues its QB-fest, it's just numbers.
Not denying that........unless they keep picking the Matt Leinert's, Jason Whites, Eric Crouches.
I mean how do we know right now, really, if Cam is not going to be another Leinert....or the JFF will be Jason White....or the RGIII won't be ERic Crouch?
(well I think at this point Cam and RG have already far surpassed those other guys)
But it will still be 15 years.
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Not a matter of being able to pick one now. As long as the Heisman continues its QB-fest, it's just numbers.
Not denying that........unless they keep picking the Matt Leinert's, Jason Whites, Eric Crouches.
I mean how do we know right now, really, if Cam is not going to be another Leinert....or the JFF will be Jason White....or the RGIII won't be ERic Crouch?
(well I think at this point Cam and RG have already far surpassed those other guys)
But it will still be 15 years.
But it will still be 15 years.
And may we still be here to see it...
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But it will still be 15 years.
And may we still be here to see it...
And may we still be here to see it...
It really isn't that important to me.....I figure that there will be any number of other non-Heisman winning QBs going into the HOF before any of the Heisman guys:
Favre
Brees
Brady
Peyton
Warner
Rodgers
Roethlisberger
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McNabb....not
Eli.....if he won one more he could not be kept out
Rivers...no
Romo....no
anyone else at all?
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Not a matter of being able to pick one now. As long as the Heisman continues its QB-fest, it's just numbers.
Not denying that........unless they keep picking the Matt Leinert's, Jason Whites, Eric Crouches.
I mean how do we know right now, really, if Cam is not going to be another Leinert....or the JFF will be Jason White....or the RGIII won't be ERic Crouch?
(well I think at this point Cam and RG have already far surpassed those other guys)
But it will still be 15 years.
Not denying that........unless they keep picking the Matt Leinert's, Jason Whites, Eric Crouches.
I mean how do we know right now, really, if Cam is not going to be another Leinert....or the JFF will be Jason White....or the RGIII won't be ERic Crouch?
(well I think at this point Cam and RG have already far surpassed those other guys)
But it will still be 15 years.
Hey now Jason White would've been, at the very least, decent in the NFL if he had any cartilage in his knees by the time he made the jump, hence him going undrafted.
Crouch was never going to make it as an NFL QB as Nebraska was still running the option at that point. Didn't he try to make a switch to WR?
Sorry gotta stick up for the Big 12.
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Not denying that........unless they keep picking the Matt Leinert's, Jason Whites, Eric Crouches.
I mean how do we know right now, really, if Cam is not going to be another Leinert....or the JFF will be Jason White....or the RGIII won't be ERic Crouch?
(well I think at this point Cam and RG have already far surpassed those other guys)
But it will still be 15 years.
Hey now Jason White would've been, at the very least, decent in the NFL if he had any cartilage in his knees by the time he made the jump, hence him going undrafted.
Crouch was never going to make it as an NFL QB as Nebraska was still running the option at that point. Didn't he try to make a switch to WR?
Sorry gotta stick up for the Big 12.
Hey now Jason White would've been, at the very least, decent in the NFL if he had any cartilage in his knees by the time he made the jump, hence him going undrafted.
Crouch was never going to make it as an NFL QB as Nebraska was still running the option at that point. Didn't he try to make a switch to WR?
Sorry gotta stick up for the Big 12.
Name some decent Pro QBs that the Big 12 has produced.
And, Uhh, no, sorry, Brandon Weeden and Colt McCoy don't fit.
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can't blame a guy for sticking up for his fave team/conference.
thank goodness ohio state has a tv contract or wouldn't see them at all. all i get here is big east (ha!), acc (double HA!) and plenty of sec.
all the standout QBs i've seen of late are out west except for winston but i think that dude is so flaky.....looks like a nibbler.
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Hey now Jason White would've been, at the very least, decent in the NFL if he had any cartilage in his knees by the time he made the jump, hence him going undrafted.
Crouch was never going to make it as an NFL QB as Nebraska was still running the option at that point. Didn't he try to make a switch to WR?
Sorry gotta stick up for the Big 12.
Name some decent Pro QBs that the Big 12 has produced.
And, Uhh, no, sorry, Brandon Weeden and Colt McCoy don't fit.
Name some decent Pro QBs that the Big 12 has produced.
And, Uhh, no, sorry, Brandon Weeden and Colt McCoy don't fit.
Gipper we've had this conversation before. The Big 12 was a traditionally option conference until just before the turn of the century. Crouch won the Heisman running the option. All of our current QB talent is just now, or has recently entered the league.
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can't blame a guy for sticking up for his fave team/conference.
thank goodness ohio state has a tv contract or wouldn't see them at all. all i get here is big east (ha!), acc (double HA!) and plenty of sec.
all the standout QBs i've seen of late are out west except for winston but i think that dude is so flaky.....looks like a nibbler.
thank goodness ohio state has a tv contract or wouldn't see them at all. all i get here is big east (ha!), acc (double HA!) and plenty of sec.
ACC is becoming a decent football watch with the addition of Louisville and others. Notre Dame has signed up to play 5 ACC games per season although they are not eligible for league championship games.
Atlantic Division poll
- Florida State – 780 (104 first place votes)
- Clemson – 660 (3)
- Louisville – 564
- Syracuse - 368
- North Carolina State – 326
- Boston College – 301
- Wake Forest – 136
Coastal Division poll
- Miami – 614 (26)
- Duke – 597 (33)
- Virginia Tech – 571 (23)
- North Carolina – 570 (27)
- Georgia Tech – 322 (1)
- Pittsburgh - 319 (2)
- Virginia – 142
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wow. i forgot how many teams have switched confs. for the exception of a couple of teams it used to be terrible to watch.
IMO.
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Not denying that........unless they keep picking the Matt Leinert's, Jason Whites, Eric Crouches.
I mean how do we know right now, really, if Cam is not going to be another Leinert....or the JFF will be Jason White....or the RGIII won't be ERic Crouch?
(well I think at this point Cam and RG have already far surpassed those other guys)
But it will still be 15 years.
Hey now Jason White would've been, at the very least, decent in the NFL if he had any cartilage in his knees by the time he made the jump, hence him going undrafted.
Crouch was never going to make it as an NFL QB as Nebraska was still running the option at that point. Didn't he try to make a switch to WR?
Sorry gotta stick up for the Big 12.
Crouch switched to safety, and he made it for a couple years before going to Canada.Hey now Jason White would've been, at the very least, decent in the NFL if he had any cartilage in his knees by the time he made the jump, hence him going undrafted.
Crouch was never going to make it as an NFL QB as Nebraska was still running the option at that point. Didn't he try to make a switch to WR?
Sorry gotta stick up for the Big 12.
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Name some decent Pro QBs that the Big 12 has produced.
And, Uhh, no, sorry, Brandon Weeden and Colt McCoy don't fit.
Gipper we've had this conversation before. The Big 12 was a traditionally option conference until just before the turn of the century. Crouch won the Heisman running the option. All of our current QB talent is just now, or has recently entered the league.
Gipper we've had this conversation before. The Big 12 was a traditionally option conference until just before the turn of the century. Crouch won the Heisman running the option. All of our current QB talent is just now, or has recently entered the league.
I know that, I am just asking for some Big 12 QBs that have been successful in the NFL.
RGIII looked good to start, what about to finish?
Do you consider JFF a Big 12 guy? Or SEC.
Tannehill is still unproven.
The QB from the Big 12 that is active that has the most career TDs is Josh Freeman...and he has failed at a couple of places.
The active Big 12 QB with the most career TD passes is Andy Dalton
Neither of these guys are going to be on anyone's list of la creme de la creme. Fair to say?
But maybe some hope with RGIII, Tannehill, Bradford.
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