Brian Hoyer
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Don't know about all that. I do know a running QB has never won the Super Bowl. Stauback and Young were not running quarterbacks by the time they won the Super Bowl. Hoyer gives the Browns the best chance to win right now.
Don't know about all that. I do know a running QB has never won the Super Bowl. Stauback and Young were not running quarterbacks by the time they won the Super Bowl. Hoyer gives the Browns the best chance to win right now.
except he's not a better passer than Manziel is right now.
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Um, he proved what?
He started 3 games, and only threw 4 passes in one of those three games. Lets not act like he put together a 10 game winning streak or something.
There is nothing wrong with an open competition. Everyone has to earn their spot... but the people who have been watching Manziel since he was in highschool know how this is going to end.
And guys who have been following the Browns for 50+ years know how it's going to work out short term.
Yeah I watched Manzeil's A&M highlights tossing it up to Evans being triple covered, and Mike bailing his ass out. Hate to tell you that shit doesn't work in the NFL.
And guys who have been following the Browns for 50+ years know how it's going to work out short term.
Yeah I watched Manzeil's A&M highlights tossing it up to Evans being triple covered, and Mike bailing his ass out. Hate to tell you that shit doesn't work in the NFL.
If you think that's Manziel's game then watch an actual game, because that couldn't be further from the truth. If anybody throws it up, it's Hoyer to Gordon. Manziel is twice the passer Hoyer is right now and the stats back that up. He consistently has a higher completion percentage than Hoyer.
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Kurt Warner. Undrafted signed by Green Bay cut and ended up in St. Louis after a long stint in arena league and NFL Europe. Pro bowl Super Bowl champion.
Tony romo. Undrafted pro bowl. If Dallas would ever get a defense he may actually win a playoff game.
Point is sun shines on a dogs but once in a while and if Hoyer outplays manziel he deserves it.
Yeah, but Romo and Warner never went up against Manziel. And I'm not kidding when I say he'd beat out both of them in a fair competition, just like h's beating out Hoyer right now by every objective measure.
Yeah, but Romo and Warner never went up against Manziel. And I'm not kidding when I say he'd beat out both of them in a fair competition, just like h's beating out Hoyer right now by every objective measure.
except he's not a better passer than Manziel is right now.
If you think that's Manziel's game then watch an actual game, because that couldn't be further from the truth. If anybody throws it up, it's Hoyer to Gordon. Manziel is twice the passer Hoyer is right now and the stats back that up. He consistently has a higher completion percentage than Hoyer.
read this back to yourself in a mirror and then ask yourself: "why do people on the browns board call me a johnny football fag?"
btw. gumboner76, funniest username ever.
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Um, he proved what?
He started 3 games, and only threw 4 passes in one of those three games. Lets not act like he put together a 10 game winning streak or something.
There is nothing wrong with an open competition. Everyone has to earn their spot... but the people who have been watching Manziel since he was in highschool know how this is going to end.
And guys who have been following the Browns for 50+ years know how it's going to work out short term.
Yeah I watched Manzeil's A&M highlights tossing it up to Evans being triple covered, and Mike bailing his ass out. Hate to tell you that shit doesn't work in the NFL.
And guys who have been following the Browns for 50+ years know how it's going to work out short term.
Yeah I watched Manzeil's A&M highlights tossing it up to Evans being triple covered, and Mike bailing his ass out. Hate to tell you that shit doesn't work in the NFL.
Worked for flacco and boldin. With the new NFL its all away getting as many PI calls when chucking it down the field. Just need a guy who can jump ball it.
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Yeah I watched Manzeil's A&M highlights tossing it up to Evans being triple covered, and Mike bailing his ass out. Hate to tell you that shit doesn't work in the NFL.
I also watched him put several passes right on the money that got him the Heisman and made him shatter every SEC record on the planet.
His shot to Evans against Bama to put them down by a TD and his laser to Swope vs. Bama in 12' were case and point examples.
Don't Cherry pick
I also watched him put several passes right on the money that got him the Heisman and made him shatter every SEC record on the planet.
His shot to Evans against Bama to put them down by a TD and his laser to Swope vs. Bama in 12' were case and point examples.
Don't Cherry pick
Tell em WW. Hide and watch Cleveland peeps.
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And guys who have been following the Browns for 50+ years know how it's going to work out short term.
Yeah I watched Manzeil's A&M highlights tossing it up to Evans being triple covered, and Mike bailing his ass out. Hate to tell you that shit doesn't work in the NFL.
If you think that's Manziel's game then watch an actual game, because that couldn't be further from the truth. If anybody throws it up, it's Hoyer to Gordon. Manziel is twice the passer Hoyer is right now and the stats back that up. He consistently has a higher completion percentage than Hoyer.
If anybody throws it up, it's...
...gonna be me. This shit is getting so tired.
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A post that mentions "data" multiple times but doesn't actually reference any... Brilliant
Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody! -
That's the last you'll see me speak about Brian Hoyer. Have at it.
Since your OP was nothing but a rehash of things you have said many times before....perhaps we should advocate that the admins put you on a timeout if you break your promise?
Are you willing to accept that harsh judgment if you break your word?
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That's the last you'll see me speak about Brian Hoyer. Have at it.
Since your OP was nothing but a rehash of things you have said many times before....perhaps we should advocate that the admins put you on a timeout if you break your promise?
Are you willing to accept that harsh judgment if you break your word?
That's the last you'll see me speak about Brian Hoyer. Have at it.
Since your OP was nothing but a rehash of things you have said many times before....perhaps we should advocate that the admins put you on a timeout if you break your promise?
Are you willing to accept that harsh judgment if you break your word?
Please make it so
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people are acting like hoyer is 36 years old. Its totally realisitc that this dude takes the starting job and leaves johnny on the bench. Its totally possible that hes the next 7-8 years of this team if he plays well
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Is it data or is it history?
History says a QB under 6 feet will win a superbowl every few decades, since Wilson just won one with the Seahawks it's going to be a long wait for Manziel.
History says a QB drafted by Cleveland is going to suck.
History says a QB drafted at the number 22 spot in the first round is going to crash and burn.
Need i go on?
Is it data or is it history?
History says a QB under 6 feet will win a superbowl every few decades, since Wilson just won one with the Seahawks it's going to be a long wait for Manziel.
Need i go on?
That other little Texas Hill country Austinite QB Drew Brees says hello. So FYI 2 under 6 feet 2010 and 2014.
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A post that mentions "data" multiple times but doesn't actually reference any... Brilliant
A post that mentions "data" multiple times but doesn't actually reference any... Brilliant
Data data data. What is this, Star Trek the Next Generation?
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Is it data or is it history?
History says a QB under 6 feet will win a superbowl every few decades, since Wilson just won one with the Seahawks it's going to be a long wait for Manziel.
Need i go on?
That other little Texas Hill country Austinite QB Drew Brees says hello. So FYI 2 under 6 feet 2010 and 2014.
That other little Texas Hill country Austinite QB Drew Brees says hello. So FYI 2 under 6 feet 2010 and 2014.
I am not sure you consider these towns in Texas Hill Country, but they are close. If JFF could come close to being what:
Sammy Baugh of Temple TX or
Bobby Layne of Santa Anna TX
were, then he would be alright. JFFs style....including his off field style seems like it could be a lot like Layne's....who apparently was a bit of a hell raiser.....and he was a scrambler as a QB.
He may be more JFFs prototype.
What area do you define as "Texas Hill Country"?
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yes a quarterback needs somebody who can catch the fucking ball in a crowd.
WSS
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Yeah I watched Manzeil's A&M highlights tossing it up to Evans being triple covered, and Mike bailing his ass out. Hate to tell you that shit doesn't work in the NFL.
I also watched him put several passes right on the money that got him the Heisman and made him shatter every SEC record on the planet.
His shot to Evans against Bama to put them down by a TD and his laser to Swope vs. Bama in 12' were case and point examples.
Don't Cherry pick
I also watched him put several passes right on the money that got him the Heisman and made him shatter every SEC record on the planet.
His shot to Evans against Bama to put them down by a TD and his laser to Swope vs. Bama in 12' were case and point examples.
Several! Wow!
Yeah, but Romo and Warner never went up against Manziel. And I'm not kidding when I say he'd beat out both of them in a fair competition, just like h's beating out Hoyer right now by every objective measure.
Is there an NFL starter, past or present, JM would not beat named Manning (P) or Brady?
Objective? Did he say "objective"? Did he say that Mike Pettine is not being "objective", but he is?
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Kurt Warner. Undrafted signed by Green Bay cut and ended up in St. Louis after a long stint in arena league and NFL Europe. Pro bowl Super Bowl champion.
Tony romo. Undrafted pro bowl. If Dallas would ever get a defense he may actually win a playoff game.
Point is sun shines on a dogs but once in a while and if Hoyer outplays manziel he deserves it.
Yeah, but Romo and Warner never went up against Manziel. And I'm not kidding when I say he'd beat out both of them in a fair competition, just like h's beating out Hoyer right now by every objective measure.
Yeah, but Romo and Warner never went up against Manziel. And I'm not kidding when I say he'd beat out both of them in a fair competition, just like h's beating out Hoyer right now by every objective measure.
So Pettine is not being objective? FYI Manziel has yet to play in a regular season game- to say he's better than Romo or Warner is conjecture, not objectivity. That's your opinion pal- and you're entitled to it. It's why we have names for you guys- Fan Boys, and Man-zealots.
Several! Wow!
Is there an NFL starter, past or present, JM would not beat named Manning (P) or Brady?
Objective? Did he say "objective"? Did he say that Mike Pettine is not being "objective", but he is?
I'm surprised some of the Fan Boys haven't started the rumor yet the only reason Pettine is starting Hoyer against Washington is because they want to shop him if he does well.
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Quite truthfully I would go with Hoyer as the ultimate game manager who will rarely take a risk that would cost a game. But if he gets significantly behind I would still have the luxury of a midnight gambler who can often raise a team to a win when it looks like all is lost anyway. I'd say that was a good combination for this year while JM learns the ropes of being an NFL QB. And even if JM pulls a lost game out, continue with Hoyer as the starter. It helps not to have to look over your shoulder when the inevitable bad game happens.
Brees went to school at Westlake in Austin on the Balcones faultline.
But I heard a rumor that Joe Namath was smuggled across the border near Big Bend as an infant and shipped by underground rail to Pa. LOL!
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Quite truthfully I would go with Hoyer as the ultimate game manager who will rarely take a risk that would cost a game. But if he gets significantly behind I would still have the luxury of a midnight gambler who can often raise a team to a win when it looks like all is lost anyway. I'd say that was a good combination for this year while JM learns the ropes of being an NFL QB. And even if JM pulls a lost game out, continue with Hoyer as the starter. It helps not to have to look over your shoulder when the inevitable bad game happens.
Brees went to school at Westlake in Austin on the Balcones faultline.
But I heard a rumor that Joe Namath was smuggled across the border near Big Bend as an infant and shipped by underground rail to Pa. LOL!
Quite truthfully I would go with Hoyer as the ultimate game manager who will rarely take a risk that would cost a game. But if he gets significantly behind I would still have the luxury of a midnight gambler who can often raise a team to a win when it looks like all is lost anyway. I'd say that was a good combination for this year while JM learns the ropes of being an NFL QB. And even if JM pulls a lost game out, continue with Hoyer as the starter. It helps not to have to look over your shoulder when the inevitable bad game happens.
Brees went to school at Westlake in Austin on the Balcones faultline.
But I heard a rumor that Joe Namath was smuggled across the border near Big Bend as an infant and shipped by underground rail to Pa. LOL!
What about my "Texas Hill Country" question with Layne and Baugh?
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My edit didn't take the first time. Both would be a real stretch, though Santa Ana less so than Temple.
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