DA to the Jets
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I think it all depends on how high the Jets are on Cleamons. They seemed to like what he brought to the table when he started 8 games in place of a injured Pennington in 2007.
But, I could see bringing in a veteran like Anderson and let them compete over drafting a rookie and maybe not having a NFL ready QB to start the season.
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Sanchez's arm strength isn't ideal for Schottenheimer's vertical offense or throwing into the wind at the Meadowlands. Won't necessarily stop them from taking Sanchez, but I think it makes them less likely to fork over a ton of picks for him.
On the DA possibility, here's Adam Schefter:
If New York decides to trade for a quarterback, the most logical one is Cleveland’s Derek Anderson. For starters, Anderson has the most attractive contractual situation of any veteran quarterback. He is due a $5 million roster bonus on the 15th day of the league year, which is about a month from now. He signed a three-year, $24.5 million deal last year that still has two seasons remaining on it.
Beyond the contract are the relationships. Browns coach Eric Mangini and Jets general manager Mike Tannenbaum have enough of a relationship that the two men could work out a deal. Also, Jets coach Rex Ryan worked with Anderson in Baltimore, before the Ravens released him.
If the Jets were to trade for a quarterback, the most logical candidate is Anderson. But Clemens and Ratliff cannot be dismissed from the competition, either.
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If Sanchez is available at #5, I could see the Jets trading their #1 and #2 and next year's #1 for our #1 to get him.
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i still don't see mangini trading da to his old team
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i still don't see mangini trading da to his old team
i still don't see mangini trading da to his old team
Why? You think he'd have a problem screwing over his old team?
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It may be, but it isn't going to happen before we pay the bonus.
Jets
Vikings
Bucs
Bears
Those are my odds on favorites.
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i still don't see mangini trading da to his old team
Why? You think he'd have a problem screwing over his old team?
Why? You think he'd have a problem screwing over his old team?
i guess i never saw it like that. if we get the right price for him, then i think that mangina will do it.
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You guys are dreaming. Browns fans aren't the only people in the world to watch how awful of a QB DA is. Seriously, he is that bad. They can draw as much hype as they want, nobody wants him.
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I think it all depends on how high the Jets are on Cleamons. They seemed to like what he brought to the table when he started 8 games in place of a injured Pennington in 2007.
But, I could see bringing in a veteran like Anderson and let them compete over drafting a rookie and maybe not having a NFL ready QB to start the season.
I think it all depends on how high the Jets are on Cleamons. They seemed to like what he brought to the table when he started 8 games in place of a injured Pennington in 2007.
But, I could see bringing in a veteran like Anderson and let them compete over drafting a rookie and maybe not having a NFL ready QB to start the season.
No way. Clemens was a real disappointment and that is why they went after Favre. Clemens threw 5 TD's to 10 INT's and had a rating of 60. He is a career back up at best.
I think teams on the verge of being good will take a look at what Flacco did with the Ravens this year and will not hesitate to go after a kid that could come in and start.....As long as he has a good supporting staff... And the Jets are not weak.
They HAVE to do something at QB.
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Yeah, I think the argument for Clemens is that no one could have succeeded behind that o-line (they'd just traded away Pete Kendall, had a scrub at RT, and D'Brickashaw Ferguson was struggling to keep his weight above 300 lbs.).
But he hasn't shown anything that would make you think, "Franchise QB". Brett Ratliff outplayed him in training camp last year.
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Where the hell is Lumfreddy at?
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Where the hell is Lumfreddy at?
I'm pretty sure he's plotting this guy's murder.
Chickenwang said:
You guys are dreaming. Browns fans aren't the only people in the world to watch how awful of a QB DA is. Seriously, he is that bad. They can draw as much hype as they want, nobody wants him. -
Sanchez's arm strength isn't ideal for Schottenheimer's vertical offense or throwing into the wind at the Meadowlands. Won't necessarily stop them from taking Sanchez, but I think it makes them less likely to fork over a ton of picks for him.
On the DA possibility, here's Adam Schefter:
If New York decides to trade for a quarterback, the most logical one is Cleveland’s Derek Anderson. For starters, Anderson has the most attractive contractual situation of any veteran quarterback. He is due a $5 million roster bonus on the 15th day of the league year, which is about a month from now. He signed a three-year, $24.5 million deal last year that still has two seasons remaining on it.
Beyond the contract are the relationships. Browns coach Eric Mangini and Jets general manager Mike Tannenbaum have enough of a relationship that the two men could work out a deal. Also, Jets coach Rex Ryan worked with Anderson in Baltimore, before the Ravens released him.
If the Jets were to trade for a quarterback, the most logical candidate is Anderson. But Clemens and Ratliff cannot be dismissed from the competition, either.
Aloysius said:
Sanchez's arm strength isn't ideal for Schottenheimer's vertical offense or throwing into the wind at the Meadowlands. Won't necessarily stop them from taking Sanchez, but I think it makes them less likely to fork over a ton of picks for him.On the DA possibility, here's Adam Schefter:
Since being in New York, Schotts QB's have been closer to the bottom of the league in yards passing per attempts. I always thought he liked the shorter pasing game.
During the two years he had Pennington that's all they did was dink and dunk. Favre's yards per attempt was exactly the same as Pennington's the year before.
Pennington, who has one of the worst arms in the league, had four or five very successful years playing in windy New York. Sanchez's arm is twice that of Pennigton's!
That windy stuff is overrated. Cleveland's old Municple stadium was famous for it's winds and look what a fairly weak armed Bernie did all those years! Look what an even weaker armed Brian Sipe did! Fran Tarkenton in Minnesota! Joe Montana in San Fran! The list goes on and on.
I would LOVE to be sitting where San Fran is and try and get NY's second rounder to move down a few spots...San Fran would get picks 17, 43 and 53 instead of just 10 and 43. In this extremely deep draft I'd do that in a hartbeat if the Jets would give up their #2 to move up.
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oldcow1945 said:
The Jets won't go after DA.....They are going to go after Sanchez in round 1.I think that would be a slighlty better move.
Do you really think Sanchez will be available at 17?
Considering he is either the #1 or #2 QB on the board and you have:
Detroit
Kansas City
San Francisco
ahead of them....and then you have Minnesota, Chicago, Tampa all in the same area of the draft...
Besides, the Jets need LB/CB/DE's for their 3-4 defense...so that will likely be the #1 priority over a QB at that position...especially if they can get an experienced guy with their round 2 pick.
Do you really think Sanchez will be available at 17?
Considering he is either the #1 or #2 QB on the board and you have:
Detroit
Kansas City
San Francisco
ahead of them....and then you have Minnesota, Chicago, Tampa all in the same area of the draft...
Besides, the Jets need LB/CB/DE's for their 3-4 defense...so that will likely be the #1 priority over a QB at that position...especially if they can get an experienced guy with their round 2 pick.
Nope, I don't think he'll last until #17. I think the Jets will work to move up. Why would they want to pay Anderson's big Salary and lose a draft pick to get him when they can lose a draft pick and get a much more talented Sanchez cheaper?
I'd give up my second round pick to move up to get Sanchez before I'd give up my third to get Anderson!!! And they save a lot of cash too! It's a no brainer.
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Where the hell is Lumfreddy at?
I'm pretty sure he's plotting this guy's murder.
Chickenwang said:
You guys are dreaming. Browns fans aren't the only people in the world to watch how awful of a QB DA is. Seriously, he is that bad. They can draw as much hype as they want, nobody wants him.mz. said:
I'm pretty sure he's plotting this guy's murder.Queen's next..........it's just a matter of time before we hear of some crazy shit how a DA stalker with hiking boots, flannel shirt and Tonya Harding tattoo was last seen fleeing the scene jamming some Air Supply.
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it'd be a steal if we traded Anderson for a 2nd and 5th
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Aloysius said:
Sanchez's arm strength isn't ideal for Schottenheimer's vertical offense or throwing into the wind at the Meadowlands. Won't necessarily stop them from taking Sanchez, but I think it makes them less likely to fork over a ton of picks for him.On the DA possibility, here's Adam Schefter:
Since being in New York, Schotts QB's have been closer to the bottom of the league in yards passing per attempts. I always thought he liked the shorter pasing game.
During the two years he had Pennington that's all they did was dink and dunk. Favre's yards per attempt was exactly the same as Pennington's the year before.
Pennington, who has one of the worst arms in the league, had four or five very successful years playing in windy New York. Sanchez's arm is twice that of Pennigton's!
That windy stuff is overrated. Cleveland's old Municple stadium was famous for it's winds and look what a fairly weak armed Bernie did all those years! Look what an even weaker armed Brian Sipe did! Fran Tarkenton in Minnesota! Joe Montana in San Fran! The list goes on and on.
I would LOVE to be sitting where San Fran is and try and get NY's second rounder to move down a few spots...San Fran would get picks 17, 43 and 53 instead of just 10 and 43. In this extremely deep draft I'd do that in a hartbeat if the Jets would give up their #2 to move up.
oldcow1945 said:
Since being in New York, Schotts QB's have been closer to the bottom of the league in yards passing per attempts. I always thought he liked the shorter pasing game.During the two years he had Pennington that's all they did was dink and dunk. Favre's yards per attempt was exactly the same as Pennington's the year before.
You could be right. My impression is that Schottenheimer is more of a Turner disciple, but Mangini did say that they incorporated some WCO elements into the offense. It could be that he dinked and dunked because Pennington's got a weak arm, and it does look like Favre's YPA went way down after he hurt his arm (stats here). Could be that it's all about Schottenheimer having the right QB.
Pennington, who has one of the worst arms in the league, had four or five very successful years playing in windy New York. Sanchez's arm is twice that of Pennigton's!
That windy stuff is overrated. Cleveland's old Municple stadium was famous for it's winds and look what a fairly weak armed Bernie did all those years! Look what an even weaker armed Brian Sipe did! Fran Tarkenton in Minnesota! Joe Montana in San Fran! The list goes on and on.
I think Todd McShay said today that Sanchez's arm is "slightly better" than Pennington's. He said that Sanchez wouldn't rate in the top 5 QB prospects in terms of arm strength.
Pennington did succeed in New York, but there were always questions about whether they could make all the throws in that stadium. Maybe it's an exaggerated issue, but it's something that a team looking for a franchise QB could take into account.
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I don't think Sanchez gets past San Fran. Don't count our Cleamons as the Jets QB. They may just bring in a veteran to compete with him.
I can see Anderson in NY before I see them spending their #1 pick on him.
IMO, I don't think QB is their biggest need.
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It's funny how a weak armed Pennington was the X-factor for the Jets then for Miami.
I think everyone puts WAY to much stock in arm strength when evaluating qbs.
You've got to look at the whole package.
Leadership.
Accuracy. (part of throwing mechanics)
Catchability. (you can combine it with accuracy if you want, they go hand in hand, another part of throwing mechanics)
Ability to read a defensive coverage and anticipate openings or audibling to those openings.
Arm strength.
Mobility. (be able to move around the pocket so his oline can get in place for blocks)
Pennington could probably throw a ball further than anyone here. Sure it was "weak" in comparison to other qb's but it was enough. He made up for a perceived weakness by excelling in the other mentioned attributes.
I'd take Pennington over DA any day of the week and draft Pennington over the big arms.
Now if NY is willing to cough up a 2nd for less than what they got rid of then I'd be all over that.
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