Most Productive Browns by position
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These #'s are a bit skewed, if you ask me, but probably still a fair indicator on the players full career.....
For example, I loved Clay Mathews, but there is no way he was the best player the Browns ever had....rated above Jim Brown?....really?
Mathews(like Sherk) is another one of those who didn't get the full accounting for his sacks.....I can't remember when they started counting(82-83?), but it was well into his career....think he got jipped out about 4 or 5 years worth....
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These #'s are a bit skewed, if you ask me, but probably still a fair indicator on the players full career.....
For example, I loved Clay Mathews, but there is no way he was the best player the Browns ever had....rated above Jim Brown?....really?
Mathews(like Sherk) is another one of those who didn't get the full accounting for his sacks.....I can't remember when they started counting(82-83?), but it was well into his career....think he got jipped out about 4 or 5 years worth....
These #'s are a bit skewed, if you ask me, but probably still a fair indicator on the players full career.....
For example, I loved Clay Mathews, but there is no way he was the best player the Browns ever had....rated above Jim Brown?....really?
Mathews(like Sherk) is another one of those who didn't get the full accounting for his sacks.....I can't remember when they started counting(82-83?), but it was well into his career....think he got jipped out about 4 or 5 years worth....
Two points: This is a career production number. Yes, a guy like Clay Matthews, if he is any good, and who played for like 20 years is going to surpass the number that a Jim Brown had in only a 9 year career. (of course, note that Clay only had a 2 pt. edge on JB despite a career twice the length likely).
Also....as I said before, I am not sure the sack number enhance this number over the career of a guy who played when the sack stat was kept. ...so I don't know if we can go there.
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1982 was the official start of the sack stat, but game tape/ film and even play-by-play accounts have retroactively generated data for sack legends like Deacon Jones.
Here's a pretty good read from 2006...
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/11/04/sports/football/04giants.html?fta=y&_r=0
Love the comments and work of Jim Turney.
As the Hall of Fame defensive end Deacon Jones once reportedly said, "Since when does 'all-time' begin in 1982?"
The issue has long annoyed Jones, and long fascinated Turney. Since 1993, Turney has pored over play-by-play accounts of games played decades ago, adding up sacks that no one had counted before. He studied game tape at N.F.L. Films to fill gaps in the data.
The research never ends; Turney occasionally catches a replay of an old game on television and wonders if a sack that he sees was recorded. He goes and checks.
In a telephone interview Friday, Turney said he had 'no beef" with starting in 1982.
"I dont know why they won't grandfather folks in who were playing in 1981," he said. "You can find sacks back to 1970 in a very accurate way."
For example, Turney has calculated that Jones, whose career ended in 1974, had 173.5 sacks, and the longtime Rams defensive end Jack Youngblood had 151.5 .
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what happened to jamir miller on that list?
It is a total career production stat. While Jamir had a good year once, that was about it....one good year.
oh....I thought he was good for a couple years than blew out his Achilles. Oh well. Still the best LB, imo, we've had since 99.
It is a total career production stat. While Jamir had a good year once, that was about it....one good year.
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oh....I thought he was good for a couple years than blew out his Achilles. Oh well. Still the best LB, imo, we've had since 99.
It is a total career production stat. While Jamir had a good year once, that was about it....one good year.
oh....I thought he was good for a couple years than blew out his Achilles. Oh well. Still the best LB, imo, we've had since 99.
Maybe it was two years. But it wasn't very long. Not long enough to get him on the Top Ten career wise list.
Though....if Kameron Wimbley can be on the Top Ten of DEs.....??? I think it just shows that the Browns have really been weak at that position over the years. The same can be said for a couple of other positions....Linebacker is one. If Jamir had lasted another year or two without injury he probably could have cracke the Top Ten
FYI, Jamir would have been #17 on the LB list above. The Top 15 are listed there. Bob Babich is #16, Miller #17...with only 3 years of play.
D'Qwell is the only other LB who has played since 1999 who ranks above Jamir.
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Jamir Miller
Career weighted AV: 45
8 seasons total: 5 AZ, 3 CLE
1994 thru 2001
Made Pro Bowl in 2001.
In his 3 seasons with us he missed 1 game in year 1.
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/M/MillJa01.htm
Per his wiki page he blew out his Achilles in a 2002 pre-season game. Spent 2002 on IR and was cut after season ended.
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Galen Fiss was certainly a linebacker - if it wasn't for his tackle on Lenney Moore in the 2nd Qtr of the 1964 championship game, Moore was free for a TD and the game would have opened up for baltimore. I have his bubble gum card.
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Galen Fiss was certainly a linebacker - if it wasn't for his tackle on Lenney Moore in the 2nd Qtr of the 1964 championship game, Moore was free for a TD and the game would have opened up for baltimore. I have his bubble gum card.
Galen Fiss was certainly a linebacker - if it wasn't for his tackle on Lenney Moore in the 2nd Qtr of the 1964 championship game, Moore was free for a TD and the game would have opened up for baltimore. I have his bubble gum card.
Nice research Howie for a guy that came late to the game and probably wasn't alive to see that game...at least in the UK. (I was alive to see it.)
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Me too.....not sure how things were rated and don't have many beefs, but for my money, I take Sherk over MDP. Jerry Sherk was a heck of a player until a staph infection nearly killed him. He came back for another 2-3 seasons, but his career was over.
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Me too.....not sure how things were rated and don't have many beefs, but for my money, I take Sherk over MDP. Jerry Sherk was a heck of a player until a staph infection nearly killed him. He came back for another 2-3 seasons, but his career was over.
Me too.....not sure how things were rated and don't have many beefs, but for my money, I take Sherk over MDP. Jerry Sherk was a heck of a player until a staph infection nearly killed him. He came back for another 2-3 seasons, but his career was over.
Its pretty close....though you know, based on my recollection, I may take Walter Johnson over both those!!
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Me too.....not sure how things were rated and don't have many beefs, but for my money, I take Sherk over MDP. Jerry Sherk was a heck of a player until a staph infection nearly killed him. He came back for another 2-3 seasons, but his career was over.
Its pretty close....though you know, based on my recollection, I may take Walter Johnson over both those!!
Its pretty close....though you know, based on my recollection, I may take Walter Johnson over both those!!
I was thinking the same thing Walter Johnson was a stud.
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