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  • tiamat63T tiamat63

    @baconhound said:

    I agree on this team Hoyer is the best option. Unfortunately Wilson and Foles were also available without much work. That is the plan that I've always liked for bad teams and unfortunately this is a bad team.

    Wilson has his limits as a QB and the Hawks are finding that out. Likewise with Foles.

    @tiamat63 said:

    Wilson has his limits as a QB and the Hawks are finding that out. Likewise with Foles.

    Both are younger than Hoyer with more of an upside.

  • B BaconHound

    @tour2ma said:

    Then we are talking past each other... not that that would be unusual for a forum...

    I firmly believe you always have to be looking for your next QB.

    Find him and you're set for ten years barring a performance diminishing injury.

    Get close and you have your back-up/fill-in/trade material to help you draft your next "next QB".

    I think it is a never ending cycle. But it's a cycle that starts with having your QB.

    Right now BH is simply the leading candidate to be our QB. I thought so in the off-season. I thought so thru TC and Pre-season. I thought so last nite. I think so tonite.

    JM or Shaw may then be "next", but they trail now. Maybe not by as much tonite as they did last nite, but they still trail... and, I believe, trail substantially.

    And for the record, Andrew Luck is the only QB I have seen in the past three drafts that I would have sold out to get. Unfortunately the Colts weren't ever dealing that pick.

    I know.. I was there...

    But they have seen an opening and are determined to seize upon it...

    I agree on this team Hoyer is the best option. Unfortunately Wilson and Foles were also available without much work. That is the plan that I've always liked for bad teams and unfortunately this is a bad team.

    @baconhound said:

    I agree on this team Hoyer is the best option. Unfortunately Wilson and Foles were also available without much work. That is the plan that I've always liked for bad teams and unfortunately this is a bad team.

    Wilson and Foles are not the same as Luck. Yea it'd be great to find our own Luck, but most of the teams in the league would also like to find their Andrew Luck. Very few of those guys come around per decade.

    I still think Hoyer is good enough to command a playoff team. His accuracy has been a little suspect at times this year - and has probably been his biggest problem. His decision making has been above average. I would go as far as to say he's the biggest reason we won 2/3 of our games this year.

    Today, he along with the entire offense and play calling was horrendous. Lets see what they do about it next week.

    hoortaH 1 Reply
  • StocktonShortsS StocktonShorts

    Hoyer on the season 55.8 Comp % and 88.0 Rating

    For comparison - QBs with at least 90 attempts
    Mike Glennon 57.2% 86.2 Rating
    EJ Manuel 58% 80.3 Rating
    Charlie Whitehurst 61.3% 93.1 Rating

    Kirk Cousins 61.8% 86.4 Rating
    Ryan Fitzpatrick 65% 86.1 Rating
    Austin Davis 66% 94.3 Rating
    Kyle Orton 68.5% 92.5 Rating

    Half of those guys are career backups, and the other few their fan bases are ready to get rid of them and burn any trace they ever existed. Lets keep in mind that what Hoyer has done this year has been considered "above" what people expected, and still hes in the middle of this group, only less accurate. Thats him AT HIS BEST. It's not an accident that everyone has a higher comp % than he does by at least 1.5% because Hoyer is dead last in the NFL in completion %. Dead last. Over a full 1% worse then Mike Glennon who was sent by his own team to get an eye exam because they thought he might be blind in one eye.

    And we're debating on if we should sign him for 13 mil a year or Franchise him for 18 mil? Oh and what do you think 3 or 4 years?
    Low self esteem out of the fan base, we have a QB we need to be figuring out a way to get rid of, because he's not the answer...and we want to lock him up. My lord.

    And though they've thrown a ton of INTs just know that Teddy Twatwater is throwing 61.1% and Blake Bortles 65.5%

    @stocktonshorts said:

    Low self esteem out of the fan base, we have a QB we need to be figuring out a way to get rid of, because he's not the answer...and we want to lock him up. My lord.

    Please save yourself... before it's too late...

    "When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196

  • u know why hoyer looked so sad today after the game because hes all about hoyer and he lost a fortune today in a future contract if not his career.

    bbedwardB 1 Reply
  • tiamat63T tiamat63

    @baconhound said:

    I agree on this team Hoyer is the best option. Unfortunately Wilson and Foles were also available without much work. That is the plan that I've always liked for bad teams and unfortunately this is a bad team.

    Wilson has his limits as a QB and the Hawks are finding that out. Likewise with Foles.

    @tiamat63 said:

    Wilson has his limits as a QB and the Hawks are finding that out. Likewise with Foles.

    But to defend my new found buddy, BH (same initials as our starting QB), both were obviously well worth the price paid to audition them.

    ... and what auditions those were...

    Plus it's pretty clear now that both their teams have issues recreating their 2013 magic that extend beyond their QBs.

    "When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196
  • P pooIpro

    u know why hoyer looked so sad today after the game because hes all about hoyer and he lost a fortune today in a future contract if not his career.

    @pooipro said:

    u know why hoyer looked so sad today after the game because hes all about hoyer and he lost a fortune today in a future contract if not his career.

    I think pretty much more so than anybody Hoyer has shown that he's all about the team...

    Also, there's 10 more games this season.

  • bbedwardB bbedward

    @pooipro said:

    u know why hoyer looked so sad today after the game because hes all about hoyer and he lost a fortune today in a future contract if not his career.

    I think pretty much more so than anybody Hoyer has shown that he's all about the team...

    Also, there's 10 more games this season.

    @bbedward said:

    I think pretty much more so than anybody Hoyer has shown that he's all about the team...

    Also, there's 10 more games this season.

    You are aware that just last week Hoyer said that in 2015 being a promised a starting job is more important than staying in Cleveland, right?

    B hoortaH 2 Replies
  • StocktonShortsS StocktonShorts

    @bbedward said:

    I think pretty much more so than anybody Hoyer has shown that he's all about the team...

    Also, there's 10 more games this season.

    You are aware that just last week Hoyer said that in 2015 being a promised a starting job is more important than staying in Cleveland, right?

    @stocktonshorts said:

    You are aware that just last week Hoyer said that in 2015 being a promised a starting job is more important than staying in Cleveland, right?

    So he is honest. Big deal. No QB would turn down a starting gig to be a backup..

  • B bringbackbrownie2

    @stocktonshorts said:

    You are aware that just last week Hoyer said that in 2015 being a promised a starting job is more important than staying in Cleveland, right?

    So he is honest. Big deal. No QB would turn down a starting gig to be a backup..

    @bringbackbrownie2 said:

    So he is honest. Big deal. No QB would turn down a starting gig to be a backup..

    I agree, no big deal in being honest, however I'd say that statement the minute we're above .500 takes him out of the running of players that have "more so than anybody...shown he's all about the team.."

    I mean if Manziel said "Well if I'm not starting in Cleveland next year I'd rather be somewhere else" that may be honest, but I doubt anyone would then say "Wow, he's really all about the team". Nope. I bet people would actually say "What a selfish asshole to talk about that right now".

    Seems it doesn't work both ways.

    Tour2maT ManzierM 3 Replies
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  • bbedwardB bbedward

    @baconhound said:

    I agree on this team Hoyer is the best option. Unfortunately Wilson and Foles were also available without much work. That is the plan that I've always liked for bad teams and unfortunately this is a bad team.

    Wilson and Foles are not the same as Luck. Yea it'd be great to find our own Luck, but most of the teams in the league would also like to find their Andrew Luck. Very few of those guys come around per decade.

    I still think Hoyer is good enough to command a playoff team. His accuracy has been a little suspect at times this year - and has probably been his biggest problem. His decision making has been above average. I would go as far as to say he's the biggest reason we won 2/3 of our games this year.

    Today, he along with the entire offense and play calling was horrendous. Lets see what they do about it next week.

    @bbedward said:

    Wilson and Foles are not the same as Luck. Yea it'd be great to find our own Luck, but most of the teams in the league would also like to find their Andrew Luck. Very few of those guys come around per decade.

    I still think Hoyer is good enough to command a playoff team. His accuracy has been a little suspect at times this year - and has probably been his biggest problem. His decision making has been above average. I would go as far as to say he's the biggest reason we won 2/3 of our games this year.

    Today, he along with the entire offense and play calling was horrendous. Lets see what they do about it next week.

    I'd say his accuracy was a lot suspect today. There were times he had all day to throw on a deep route, and couldn't get the ball in the same area code. I said elsewhere the few times he was on target, his receivers didn't help him much

  • Time to throw out the sunshine and rainbows....

    This is a good opportunity to see how Hoyer responds to a poorly played game. All players have them. If he rocks the house vs Raiders then put another strength on his side.

  • tml1138T tml1138

    Time to throw out the sunshine and rainbows....

    This is a good opportunity to see how Hoyer responds to a poorly played game. All players have them. If he rocks the house vs Raiders then put another strength on his side.

    @tml1138 said:

    Time to throw out the sunshine and rainbows....

    This is a good opportunity to see how Hoyer responds to a poorly played game. All players have them. If he rocks the house vs Raiders then put another strength on his side.

    can we keep the unicorns?

  • miktoxicM miktoxic

    @tml1138 said:

    Time to throw out the sunshine and rainbows....

    This is a good opportunity to see how Hoyer responds to a poorly played game. All players have them. If he rocks the house vs Raiders then put another strength on his side.

    can we keep the unicorns?

    @miktoxic said:

    can we keep the unicorns?

    Absolutely.

  • StocktonShortsS StocktonShorts

    @bringbackbrownie2 said:

    So he is honest. Big deal. No QB would turn down a starting gig to be a backup..

    I agree, no big deal in being honest, however I'd say that statement the minute we're above .500 takes him out of the running of players that have "more so than anybody...shown he's all about the team.."

    I mean if Manziel said "Well if I'm not starting in Cleveland next year I'd rather be somewhere else" that may be honest, but I doubt anyone would then say "Wow, he's really all about the team". Nope. I bet people would actually say "What a selfish asshole to talk about that right now".

    Seems it doesn't work both ways.

    @stocktonshorts said:

    "What a selfish asshole to talk about that right now".

    We are saying that... just not about Hoyer...

    "When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196

  • could u imagine weeden with this run game? he would look all world thrwing bombs over the top.

    1st Ezekiel Ansah, DE, BYU 3rd Darius Slay, CB, Mississippi State4th Landry Jones, QB, Oklahoma5th Earl Wolff, S, N.C. State6th Lucas Reed, TE, New Mexico
  • StocktonShortsS StocktonShorts

    @bringbackbrownie2 said:

    So he is honest. Big deal. No QB would turn down a starting gig to be a backup..

    I agree, no big deal in being honest, however I'd say that statement the minute we're above .500 takes him out of the running of players that have "more so than anybody...shown he's all about the team.."

    I mean if Manziel said "Well if I'm not starting in Cleveland next year I'd rather be somewhere else" that may be honest, but I doubt anyone would then say "Wow, he's really all about the team". Nope. I bet people would actually say "What a selfish asshole to talk about that right now".

    Seems it doesn't work both ways.

    @stocktonshorts said:

    I agree, no big deal in being honest, however I'd say that statement the minute we're above .500 takes him out of the running of players that have "more so than anybody...shown he's all about the team.."

    I mean if Manziel said "Well if I'm not starting in Cleveland next year I'd rather be somewhere else" that may be honest, but I doubt anyone would then say "Wow, he's really all about the team". Nope. I bet people would actually say "What a selfish asshole to talk about that right now".

    Seems it doesn't work both ways.

    Another bullshit comparison.

    First, preferring to start somewhere else, anywhere else is something any competitor would say. JM as much as said the same when asked about sitting behind Hoyer for an extended period of time. Who here raised that as an issue? No one that I saw.

    Second, BH has done plenty to offset any negativity included in his statement. He worked hard to secure his starting role. He rehabbed hard. He studied hard. Even this week he worked after practice with his receivers to sharpen their timing. Praise for his work ethic has come from all corners.

    What has JM done to endear himself?

    JM has done nothing to offset any negativity associated

    "When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196
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  • StocktonShortsS StocktonShorts

    @bringbackbrownie2 said:

    So he is honest. Big deal. No QB would turn down a starting gig to be a backup..

    I agree, no big deal in being honest, however I'd say that statement the minute we're above .500 takes him out of the running of players that have "more so than anybody...shown he's all about the team.."

    I mean if Manziel said "Well if I'm not starting in Cleveland next year I'd rather be somewhere else" that may be honest, but I doubt anyone would then say "Wow, he's really all about the team". Nope. I bet people would actually say "What a selfish asshole to talk about that right now".

    Seems it doesn't work both ways.

    @stocktonshorts said:

    I mean if Manziel said "Well if I'm not starting in Cleveland next year I'd rather be somewhere else" that may be honest, but I doubt anyone would then say "Wow, he's really all about the team". Nope. I bet people would actually say "What a selfish asshole to talk about that right now".

    Seems it doesn't work both ways.

    Plus, Hoyer DIDNT talk about it right now. He tried to deflect it. He ignored it and he denied it. Allt because some lame "reporter" made up a story that got legs. And after Hoyer tried to ignore it and was hounded about it, he finally had to address it. And, after being badgered about the "non story", he gave a reply that would be expected from ANY pro. He said "i want to start". Thats not selfish behavior. Thats expected behavior.

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  • maybe if hoyer would have done a snickers commercial it would be more relevant right now and maybe a little funnier.

    a betcha an ad exec will get fired for jumping on that manziel bandwagon train a little too quick.............like will they still be running it in 3 years?

    sorta like the colt mccoy hardees commercial.

  • Said it before and I'll say it again. I've seen enough from Hoyer to feel comfortable with him leading the offense in 2015, now let's see if Manziel's got anything. This team isn't playoff bound give Manziel a tryout and move forward.

    Mark OM Tour2maT 2 Replies
  • B BaconHound

    Said it before and I'll say it again. I've seen enough from Hoyer to feel comfortable with him leading the offense in 2015, now let's see if Manziel's got anything. This team isn't playoff bound give Manziel a tryout and move forward.

    @baconhound said:

    Said it before and I'll say it again. I've seen enough from Hoyer to feel comfortable with him leading the offense in 2015, now let's see if Manziel's got anything. This team isn't playoff bound give Manziel a tryout and move forward.

    The team is 4-3 and in your feeble brain the season is over??

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