Interesting Options Developing in Browns QB Situation
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Johnny Manziel has never lost an NFL game before.
NEVER.
he's never thrown 3 interceptions in a game.
He's never gone 16/41 and lost to the worst team in the NFL.
Are you starting to follow your logic?
HINT: HOYER HAS NEVER PUT HIMSELF IN A SITUATION TO CHOKE LIKE ROMO HAS. ITS INCREDIBLY SELECTIVE.
WE DON'T KNOW IF hOYER WOULD CHOKE WITH A PLAYOFF BIRTH ON THE LINE, OR IN THE PLAYOFFS
BECAUSE....
DRUM ROLL....
HE'S BEEN GETTING CUT AND PRACTICING.
Johnny Manziel has never lost an NFL game before.
NEVER.
he's never thrown 3 interceptions in a game.
He's never gone 16/41 and lost to the worst team in the NFL.
Are you starting to follow your logic?
HINT: HOYER HAS NEVER PUT HIMSELF IN A SITUATION TO CHOKE LIKE ROMO HAS. ITS INCREDIBLY SELECTIVE.
WE DON'T KNOW IF hOYER WOULD CHOKE WITH A PLAYOFF BIRTH ON THE LINE, OR IN THE PLAYOFFS
BECAUSE....
DRUM ROLL....
HE'S BEEN GETTING CUT AND PRACTICING.
You seem very angry about Brian Hoyer. This is his first season as a starter ... other than last year when he went 3-0 as a starter on a 4-12 team. So now at 7-3 you are saying "so what, he was a journeyman".
Yes ... was.
Then he got a chance to start. Then he started to win. Still happening.
So ... I think we're going to play this whole thing out if you don't mind.
Zombo
---so Tony Romo chokes ... at least you got Weeden ... the guy that lost his job to Hoyer!
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@everlastingxxx said:
Browns are winning because of good coaching/scheme and good defense plus a weak schedule. Hoyer is just doing enough to not fuck things up. Credit him for being a bus driver but at some point he is going to have to do more to keep them winning.
Romo has proven to play at a high level for many seasons. He had given the Cowboys a chance to compete each year despite having terrible defenses, bad offensive lines and no focus on the running game.
If you think Hoyer is in the same class as Romo, you are either being dishonest in your comments or just lacking in football knowledge.
I do not think they are in the same class. Romo is in the Choking Class and Hoyer is in the Remains To Be Seen Class.
Zombo
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@everlastingxxx said:
Romo is a clutch QB. His stats prove it. http://www.bloggingtheboys.com/2014/7/10/5887977/tony-romo-dallas-cowboys-myths-elimination-playoff-hunt-games
Far from perfect, but ill take him over Hoyer any day of the week. I dont need to wait any longer to see what Hoyer is. Its clear as day.
So then, you too are impressed with a QB that goes 7-3 on a team that other wise goes 1-12 over two years?
Zombo
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Wow.
ok...
Romo has produced for years.....and what he has produced are mediocre teams. 8-8 every year but one or two?
But look at the age difference. Romo is a full 5-6 years older. Brian has time to prove that he may be a mediocre as Romo.
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@everlastingxxx said:
Browns are winning because of good coaching/scheme and good defense plus a weak schedule. Hoyer is doing enough to not fuck things up. Credit him for being a bus driver but at some point he is going to have to do more to keep them winning.
Romo has proven to play at a high level for many seasons. He had given the Cowboys a chance to compete each year despite having terrible defenses, bad offensive lines and no focus on the running game. Hell, include horrible coaching as well.
If you think Hoyer is in the same class as Romo, you are either being dishonest in your comments or just lacking in football knowledge.
Zombo's response should be: Hell, I sure as hell hope Hoyer doesn't prove to be in the same class as Romo. We want to win.
But,you are right....it certainly has not been Romo's fault that the Cowboys haven't won. They have been a bad to mediocre team.
He should ask to go somewhere else to get fresh start. He would look good in a Jets uniform, no?
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Really "unleash #2" that's the phrase you're going to use for Manziel starting?@everlastingxxx said:
Stop-gap QB until they are ready to unleash #2.
Not doing yourself any favors, hahaha
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@everlastingxxx said:
Browns are winning because of good coaching/scheme and good defense plus a weak schedule. Hoyer is just doing enough to not fuck things up. Credit him for being a bus driver but at some point he is going to have to do more to keep them winning.
Romo has proven to play at a high level for many seasons. He had given the Cowboys a chance to compete each year despite having terrible defenses, bad offensive lines and no focus on the running game.
If you think Hoyer is in the same class as Romo, you are either being dishonest in your comments or just lacking in football knowledge.
I do not think they are in the same class. Romo is in the Choking Class and Hoyer is in the Remains To Be Seen Class.
Zombo
Zombo said:
I do not think they are in the same class. Romo is in the Choking Class and Hoyer is in the Remains To Be Seen Class.
Zombo
No, Hoyer is in the journeyman class.
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@everlastingxxx said:
#1. Hoyer is winning...so who cares right? Right. When you're winning you roll with it. Thats rule #1. Dont fix what aint broke.
I am just not impressed with Hoyer, sorry. No need to apologize. We're not too worried about what you think.
Manziel could do that. Um, probably. Im not aware of any one saying he couldn't
I saw a Browns defense that suffocated a Raiders offense. First time this year. It was timely for the D to show up. Until then, all the wins were on Hoyer and the Offense
ike i said, Browns won...who cares how it happened right? Exactly. A win is a win is a win. Even better when your team ISNT one dimensional and can & does win many ways. Defense, running, passing, turnovers, special teams. THATS the way to do it. Too many teams rely on one or 2 superstars, when having a balanced solid "team" can get er done
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choking?
let's compare apples with baby apples
Romo:
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/play-index/comeback.cgi?player=RomoTo00
Hoyer:
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/play-index/comeback.cgi?player=HoyeBr00
Game Winning Drives:
(26) Tony Romo (26) Boomer Esiason
(3) Brian Hoyer (3) Ryan Leaf
4Th QTR Comebacks
(22) Tony Romo, (22) Jim Kelly
(3) Brian Hoyer, (3) Jamarcus Russell -
Romo is a full 5-6 years older. Brian has time to prove that he may be a mediocre as Romo.
lol...
@everlastingxxx said:
Romo was just given an extension. They rebuilt the O-line just for him. Given him all the weapons he needs. Why go to a Jets offense that has nothing?
Anyways, Hoyer isnt in the same mold as Romo. Manziel is similar to him. Much more athletic and faster. Hoyer is the mold of a Chad Pennington. Maybe Brad Johnson. Something like that. Serviceable. Stop-gap QB until they are ready to unleash #2.
Just for him? Pretty sure rebuilding an O-line is a sound move regardless. Not to mention that in order to afford rebuilding the O-line, Jerrah also had to substantially disassemble the D.
As for Hoyer... decent comparisons, but now the only thing unleashing #2 is bound to get you is a 21-day quarantine.
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@everlastingxxx said:
Romo was just given an extension. They rebuilt the O-line just for him. Given him all the weapons he needs. Why go to a Jets offense that has nothing?
Anyways, Hoyer isnt in the same mold as Romo. Manziel is similar to him. Much more athletic and faster. Hoyer is the mold of a Chad Pennington. Maybe Brad Johnson. Something like that. Serviceable. Stop-gap QB until they are ready to unleash #2.
Brad Johnson, that ol' "stop gap" that took three different franchises to the playoffs and won a Super Bowl ring?
Yes, I will take that over the guy with the pretty stats and loads of weapons that loses a chance to get into the playoffs three years in a row.
Zombo
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Hoyer might be a good QB for a team with a top 3 defense.
His ability/luck/whatever it is that hasn't turned the ball over. No one can knock him there.That's legit.
But at some point, he's going to have to make a play when everything goes wrong.
I haven't seen the slightest hint at having that ability.
Look at this list of QB's with multiple Super Bowl starts, you see playmakers.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_quarterbacks_with_multiple_Super_Bowl_starts -
Interesting stat I just found:
Record for number of 4th quarter comebacks in a regular season: 7
held by: Payton Manning (2009) & Eli Manning (2011)
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Hoyer might be a good QB for a team with a top 3 defense.
His ability/luck/whatever it is that hasn't turned the ball over. No one can knock him there.That's legit.
But at some point, he's going to have to make a play when everything goes wrong.
I haven't seen the slightest hint at having that ability.
Look at this list of QB's with multiple Super Bowl starts, you see playmakers.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_quarterbacks_with_multiple_Super_Bowl_startsHoyer might be a good QB for a team with a top 3 defense.
His ability/luck/whatever it is that hasn't turned the ball over. No one can knock him there.That's legit.
But at some point, he's going to have to make a play when everything goes wrong.
I haven't seen the slightest hint at having that ability.
Look at this list of QB's with multiple Super Bowl starts, you see playmakers.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_quarterbacks_with_multiple_Super_Bowl_starts
why did you come back?
is the texas portal for douchebags back open? because we didn't see hide or hair from you the browns steam-rolled the steelers. now there's maybe a hint of trouble and all the JF fagboys come running back in with their dicks in their hands.
GTFO.
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Hoyer might be a good QB for a team with a top 3 defense.
His ability/luck/whatever it is that hasn't turned the ball over. No one can knock him there.That's legit.
But at some point, he's going to have to make a play when everything goes wrong.
I haven't seen the slightest hint at having that ability.
Look at this list of QB's with multiple Super Bowl starts, you see playmakers.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_quarterbacks_with_multiple_Super_Bowl_startsBut at some point, he's going to have to make a play when everything goes wrong.
I haven't seen the slightest hint at having that ability.
Ya ... if only we could see him perform when "everything goes wrong".
Like being down 28-3 on the road? And then throwing three TD passes to win the game?
Something along those lines?
http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/0ap3000000406000/Week-5-Browns-vs-Titans-highlights
Zombo
--Not the slightest hint, eh?
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@everlastingxxx said:
Romo was just given an extension. They rebuilt the O-line just for him. Given him all the weapons he needs. Why go to a Jets offense that has nothing?
Because he has done nothing as a Cowboy. He may need a change of scenery.
Honestly....I expect the Cowboys to be close to that 8-8 record when all is said and done. Maybe 9-7 with this good start. It will be stupefying if they go to 10 wins.
Anyways, Hoyer isnt in the same mold as Romo. Manziel is similar to him. Much more athletic and faster. Hoyer is the mold of a Chad Pennington. Maybe Brad Johnson. Something like that. Serviceable. Stop-gap QB until they are ready to unleash #2.
Hoyer...to many here is similar to Brian Sipe. You probably don't remember him. Chad may be a good comparison.
JFF can't be compared to anyone because JFF isn't ready to play. The only comparisons that make sense from a speed, size, race perspective is Tarkenton...
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Zach Martin had a second round grade? Not on any board I followed...
As for cap total... with three rookie deals starting, I'd hope it's cheap this year. Next year? Not so much with Free jumping from $6.5 to $11.0 and Smith from $5.0 to $13.0...
And at that a lot of folks thought Smith signed way too cheap (or at least too long) for the top talent he has shown he is.
$11.0M for a RT? Not feeling that's in the cards for 2015...
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