Do juiced-up Steelers teams deserve asterisks?
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This is what stains fans don't get - starting lies like this thread just piles on to the massive heap of bad karma that's burying the stains organization.
So now your franchise is destined for another 10 years of pathetic losing, staph infections and star signings getting drunk and killing people.
Regards
.... an'at
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Steeler SChuck said:
This is what stains fans don't get - starting lies like this thread just piles on to the massive heap of bad karma that's burying the stains organization.So now your franchise is destined for another 10 years of pathetic losing, staph infections and star signings getting drunk and killing people.
Regards
.... an'at
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Massive Bad Karma...Do you mean it could get worse ??
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Of Riff-daddy. The chargers article said plenty to "debunk" the stereotype that parades it's way through this thread on each page. Believe what you will but Steroids did not bring the 6 lombardi's to Pittsburgh. The end.
The Chargers article does NOT supercede what has been prononced the steroids era and what team was labelled by an overwhelming majority as the steroids poster boys. We could compare premature funerals but I think you stay just as disappointed with the results. If you're gonna CHEAT - cheat death by remembering the soul ain't for sale.
Like the former Steeler said - unfortunately False Glory is a True Story!
- Tom F. (When I think of the 70s, like any fan outside of Pittsburgh, if I hear Steeler the first word I associate that with is Stee-roid)
The Chargers article does NOT supercede what has been prononced the steroids era and what team was labelled by an overwhelming majority as the steroids poster boys. We could compare premature funerals but I think you stay just as disappointed with the results. If you're gonna CHEAT - cheat death by remembering the soul ain't for sale.
Like the former Steeler said - unfortunately False Glory is a True Story!
- Tom F. (When I think of the 70s, like any fan outside of Pittsburgh, if I hear Steeler the first word I associate that with is Stee-roid)
1. If the 70's is proclaimed the "Steroid Era" then roids must have been widespread througout the league. Right? If most players used them then no one actually got an advantage; therefore, putting astricks on any team for steriod use in the 70's is very illogical.
2. Who exactly are these "overwhelming majority" who beleive the Steelers were the first to use roids? I bet most of them are disgruntled fans, such as the ones who are on this board. Just becuase people WANT to believe Steelers were the poster boys of it or they believe it out of IGNORANCE of the truth doesn't make them right or justify putting an astricks on anything.
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Squeelroids: First NFL team to incorporate 'roids in their program.
Superbowl tropies replaced by asterisks.
Squeelroids have never won a superbowl without cheating
"steel" logo on helmets replaced with asterisk.
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Squeelroids: First NFL team to incorporate 'roids in their program.
Superbowl tropies replaced by asterisks.
Squeelroids have never won a superbowl without cheating
"steel" logo on helmets replaced with asterisk.
Squeelroids: First NFL team to incorporate 'roids in their program.
Superbowl tropies replaced by asterisks.
Squeelroids have never won a superbowl without cheating
"steel" logo on helmets replaced with asterisk.
Just becuase people WANT to believe Steelers were the poster boys of it or they believe it out of IGNORANCE of the truth doesn't make them right or justify putting an astricks on anything.
I know that you know the Chargers were the first team in the NFL to make widespread use of roids in 1963. I don't know why I even responded to your denails and didn't just luagh it off.
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Steroid dealers love the Squeelers so much most of them have pictures of the '70's teams in their office.
Squeelroids: poster boys of steroid abuse in professional sports.
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Steroid dealers love the Squeelers so much most of them have pictures of the '70's teams in their office.
Squeelroids: poster boys of steroid abuse in professional sports.
Steroid dealers love the Squeelers so much most of them have pictures of the '70's teams in their office.
Squeelroids: poster boys of steroid abuse in professional sports.
Wow, super mature to try to get in the last word even if it means just being completly rediculous.
I think I speak for most people when I say this thread should just be let to die. I think we can all make ourselves the bigger man and just allow this to just die. There is no need for anyone to respond to anyone else's nonsense they post on this thread. I know that I won't be responding to anymore of this nonsense. Thank you to those who have been ignoring this thread the past few days and just letting it die. If anyone feels the need to play the game of getting the last word then you will beat me becuase I'm done with this thread.
-The "bigger man" thing was meant figurativly,not literally, so to all of you ladies that might be on here don't take offense.
- The only reason why I made this post was becuase I think it can finally put an end to the thread and it was very close to the top. I am not being a hypocrite by making this post becuase I truly think this disgrace should just be gone. I will now lead by example and ignore this thread.
Thanks again to those who have been ignoring it for quite a while now.
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The Cleveland browns were known for doing STEROIDS in the 60s before the STEELERS of the 70s.
The Cleveland browns have been caught lately using STEROIDS.
You just wish that your team had been more successful at it.
Then it's settled, the Browns have 8 championships to the Stoolers 6. I'd say that is pretty successful. You can't have it both ways boy. So put the meth pipe down because your cousin, I mean wife, is calling you for chicken and grits.
Then it's settled, the Browns have 8 championships to the Stoolers 6. I'd say that is pretty successful. You can't have it both ways boy. So put the meth pipe down because your cousin, I mean wife, is calling you for chicken and grits.
The Browns have 8 Championships, BUT, only 4 of which are officially recognized by the NFL. The others are part of a minor league that all but folded--only 3 teams survived to the NFL.
The bottom line, you have 4 NFL Titles. You are outscored on that simple, straight-forward point.
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Zombo said:
Yes, the NFL knew the Steelers were cheating, just like baseball knew Bonds and Mcguire were cheating and they are letting them twist in the wind and suffer horrible, irreversable damage to their reputation as men and competitors, while the Steelers are lifted up and promoted and celebrated for "winning" six Super Bowls.
And let's not act like it was just a 70's thing either, James Harrison did not get that good and that big and that fast by eating his Wheaties.
Football is going under the steroid microscope next ... and the Steelers will be Bonds, McGuire, A-rod and Clemens rolled into one ... it ain't gonna be pretty.
But when you make yourself the Poster Team for cheating ... they will come after you eventually.
Zombo
Losers always make excuses for why they lost. Winners, especially the best, are always under scrutiny--usually by the losers, for why they win. These accusations against the Steelers are no different than the accusations that exist against Lance Armstrong by the jealous.
Zombo, you are the poster child for jealousy and excuse making.
Did the Steelers of the 1970s use steroids? Most likely there were players that did. But you have to be an absolute moron to believe they were the only team to use (a) a readily available and (
legal substance at the time. What kind of idiot must you be to believe that a football player on another team was holier than thou and wasn't using a muscle enhancing substance while the Steelers were some kind of evil machine that was? Maybe your name is Zombo to think that its cheating because its illegal now but was not then.James Harrison was always a physical specimen, it was his maturity and understanding of the game that kept him from making teams. You can go ahead and keep holding on to your biased viewpoint with your same 8 friends, trying in some desperate way to discredit your rivals championships while your team toils at the bottom of the NFL pool every single season, I will take the reality that the Steelers are the elite of the league.
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If you read False Glory written by one of their starting OTs for 2 Superbowls - he seems to think so. He was disappointed NOBODY fessed up like himself. They had a bunch of A-rods, which made future A-rods so possible . SI has done a couple of stories about them too. I don't see cities throwing parades for their Heroin users but if that won games and trophies - WOULD they? We know Pittsburgh would - but are other cities that bad? I think Canada wanted to send Ben Johnson on a 1 way plane ride to Pittsburgh. He would have started on their football team like alot of other junkies.
I get a kick out of the way SOME media makes A-rod sound like the very first cheater/liar they've ever discovered. In the 70s, the team that took the most junk won. If I wanted to follow a corrupt sport like that - I'd follow bodybuilding where the guy ingesting the most toxicity and flammables wins the trophy. Trust me when I tell you the Steelers would have been a MUCH BETTER story if it was just hard work in the weight room from both sides of their lines instead of bigtime shortcuts and crossing moral boundaries of right and wrong. GREED and POWER often superceeds right and wrong in this country though as it does around the world. Wall Street and Enron? Mortgage Companies? You get the picture.
I've witnessed an NFL random test in training camp in Tampa Bay. One guy made the team, the other did not. Point is, only 2% of the team was tested. In addition, of the 2% they test, MOST are smart enough to know that the current testing procedures cannot detect HGH so guess what the drug of choice is today? Wasn't it ironic to hear the Steelers' Team Doctor was investigated for excessive quantities of HGH purchased for his clinical practice just 1 year after a 5-7 truned into an 8-0 finish against the toughest part of their schedule? This doctor vanished into thin air. I'm guessing the Rooneys have him retired off in some tropical island where they'll never find him.
The year the Steelers started off 5-7, #7 was on the ground grasping his knee like he'd never walk again. 2-3 weeks later, he's running around like Randall Cunningham. You don't go from Bambi's broken wheel to Ben Johnson unless there's Ben Johnson ethics involved. If that's not enough, Ben's forehead grew bigger than Lerch's since draft day. Who's kiddin who? HGH has kept their IR list low. Coincidence? Think about it! Who here thought Joey Pottymouth was clean? And as 1 Steeler fan informed me - there was nothing wrong with steroids. Tell that Greg Loyd's wife and son that were tied up. The son got a pistol to the temple while the wife got a pistol shaft shoved through her teeth. Nice guy! That's the OTHER side of winning at all costs which gets hidden under the rug.
I don't mind calling out cheaters IF it's not gonna be so damn selective. There were Senators FIGHTING over Roger Clemons, but WOULD they fight over other cheaters? When we've had knuckleheads like Alzado and Verba on the Browns, they were jerks and their teammates hated them. WE hated them. When Tucker got busted, I said cut his ass. He's either been AWOL or a major distraction. When he was expected to be a team leader, that's a major disappointment. Cheating is cheating. Some will say there's ALWAYS been cheating; BUT I think there's a big difference between getting over-caffeinated and being able to bench press cars if you line up in the trenches. Man wasn't born to strap refridgerators on their back and race each other like all of the Steeler linemen used to do at the NFL's Strongest man competitions. Greg Pruitt was my version of Superman on the gridiron as a kid. If I found out the S on his chest was from steroids, he'd be nothing to me. I LOVE football so I'll always follow it. That said, I'd like to know the RIGHT people are being rewarded.
The NFL will never prevent 100% of cheating; BUT it CAN stop the extent of cheating alot more than testing 2% of it's players randomly (with tests looking for the outdated drugs of the 70s - let's get real). The NFL can UPDATE the testing to the thoroughness the Olympics use for NON-professional athletes. HOWEVER, that might be at the expense of taking those wasted dollars on sending millionaires to all expenses paid trips to Hawaii every February. When SI has to do a casket count for former Steeler players that couldn't reach age 50, I think it's worth trying to prevent more of this in the future. Here's the example kids of today are seeing: Superman is getting a needle and syringe in the fanny with something that isn't ethical to give him the strength that is so elusive to others. The message is - if you don't get caught, there isn't anything wrong. Plus, you can make the most money in your sport. A-rod, is an effect of the cause. The blind eye of MLB enabled this to happen. Doesn't excuse him. Football isn't any different if they're gonna cry poor sticking with outdated random testing.
- Tom F. (I ADMIRE hard work but despise cheating. There used to be a clearcut difference but I've been told I'm naive for thinking that way)
If you read False Glory written by one of their starting OTs for 2 Superbowls - he seems to think so. He was disappointed NOBODY fessed up like himself. - Tom F. (I ADMIRE hard work but despise cheating. There used to be a clearcut difference but I've been told I'm naive for thinking that way)
Maybe you should check your facts before you post a long reply, Steve Courson was not a starting OT. He was a back up who desperately tried to make it in the league and ultimately did not.
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Zombo said:
It's not the equivalent. The Browns were champions, there was no one left to beat. The Steelers lost.Where do you get 13 any way? You've been AFC champions 7 times. Are you counting losses too? Cause we can throw in championship losses too, if you want to go that route.
Hey ... here's an idea ... let's just count Champions ... last team standing. That's what greatness is all about.
Zombo
You really wanna count Champions...how about we break this down a lot more.
Your "NFL Champion" Browns won 4 Championships.
Back in those days, in order to qualify for the NFL Championship Game, it required winning your regular season conference--essentially the same as winning your division today as it was a purely regular season accomplishment. On the rare occasion that there was a regular season tie, they held an exhibition game called a "playoff bowl" in order to determine who played for the NFL Championship from that conference.
In order to win those 4 NFL Championships, the Browns had to win a grand total of 5 post season games.
Also, the NFL Championship followed a similar suit to the World Series as it was played on a rotating Home Field Advantage--the Browns won 3 of their 4 NFL Titles playing on their own home field, not a neutral field.
When you really look at it, winning the NFL Championship is more akin to winning a Conference Title today, but at least with the Conference Championship, you have to EARN the HFA, not have it given to you because its your turn that year.
The Super Bowl requires at minimum 3 post season wins to reach and can take as many as 4. It is played on a Neutral Field. To win their 6 Super Bowls, the Steelers had to win 19 post season games (far more impressive than the Browns 5).
Further evidence to distance the two from each other and prove they are not one in the same.....two NFL teams actually WON the NFL Championship but LOST the Super Bowl: the 1969 Baltimore Colts and the 1970 Minnesota Vikings.
In actuality, comparing the Steelers 7 AFC Championships is a more accuarate comparison to the Browns 4 NFL Championships then it is comparing the Super Bowls.
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Endymion said:
Zombo Wrote:There was no one left to beat in your conference, the equivalent of an AFC Championship victory. Until the Super Bowl was established the conference champions of the NFC and AFC did not meet in a title game. Green Bay was often considered the best team of the age (better so than the Browns at the time). So you can have all your ancient history pre-dawn NFL Europe World Cup predecessor titles you want from the of the pre-Super Bowl era. Beating 6 teams for that trophy was super impressive! How many did you personally lay witness to? Yawn.
How many did the Steelers win? Zero.
How is your first 45 year joke of an existence any smaller than our current 20 year suck-fest?
AdaM said:
How many did the Steelers win? Zero.How is your first 45 year joke of an existence any smaller than our current 20 year suck-fest?
45 years? The Steelers won their first division title in 1972 and were founded in 1933. Do you need help with your math?
And what are you talking about 20 year suck-fest?
Since 1965, you have won a grand total of 4 playoff games. Only 4 in all that time. The 1970s was a pathetic joke for you. A back to back run in 86/87 aside, the 80s were mediocre. The 90s were worse. The 2000s have been ridiculous. I see a 40 year run of absolutely nothing to be proud of. 20 year suck-fest? Double that one up buddy.
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AdaM said:
How many did the Steelers win? Zero.How is your first 45 year joke of an existence any smaller than our current 20 year suck-fest?
45 years? The Steelers won their first division title in 1972 and were founded in 1933. Do you need help with your math?
And what are you talking about 20 year suck-fest?
Since 1965, you have won a grand total of 4 playoff games. Only 4 in all that time. The 1970s was a pathetic joke for you. A back to back run in 86/87 aside, the 80s were mediocre. The 90s were worse. The 2000s have been ridiculous. I see a 40 year run of absolutely nothing to be proud of. 20 year suck-fest? Double that one up buddy.
45 years? The Steelers won their first division title in 1972 and were founded in 1933. Do you need help with your math?
And what are you talking about 20 year suck-fest?
Since 1965, you have won a grand total of 4 playoff games. Only 4 in all that time. The 1970s was a pathetic joke for you. A back to back run in 86/87 aside, the 80s were mediocre. The 90s were worse. The 2000s have been ridiculous. I see a 40 year run of absolutely nothing to be proud of. 20 year suck-fest? Double that one up buddy.
ok man you really need to stop digging up old posts and writing about them. nobody cares about what you think. i have barely read anything you have written. go on a steeler's board with all of the other fail weather idiots. i also figured out what your name means; Fondles and Sucks Gonads.
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You know I used to rag the Squeeler fans about Roids just to piss them off, BUT there is a landslide of evidence that it really was the case. These reports aren't just coming from one or two directions. The Orlando Sentinel's puff piece isn't going to change ANY of that.
As for bad officiating. Watch the replays of the last 6 or 7 Super Bowls on NFLN...I have. Take a count of the "iffy" officiating calls in those games compared to those in the two Squeeler "victorys." If you aren't blind, you'll notice that the two Taintsburgh games were BY FAR over-officiated and that the calls that mattered most seemed to go to the Cheaters.
Someday, in the future, someone is going to write an unflattering book about the 00's Taintsburgh organization, which ironically is the same as the 70's Taintsburgh organization.
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Doug
You know I used to rag the Squeeler fans about Roids just to piss them off, BUT there is a landslide of evidence that it really was the case. These reports aren't just coming from one or two directions. The Orlando Sentinel's puff piece isn't going to change ANY of that.
As for bad officiating. Watch the replays of the last 6 or 7 Super Bowls on NFLN...I have. Take a count of the "iffy" officiating calls in those games compared to those in the two Squeeler "victorys." If you aren't blind, you'll notice that the two Taintsburgh games were BY FAR over-officiated and that the calls that mattered most seemed to go to the Cheaters.
Someday, in the future, someone is going to write an unflattering book about the 00's Taintsburgh organization, which ironically is the same as the 70's Taintsburgh organization.
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Doug
This is the biggest joke of all. Like you have watched all the Super Bowl replays and then watched the Steelers Super Bowl victories. Who are you trying to kid?
If you truly watched these games, you would recognize that Seattle played piss poor. There were calls, but they were penalties. What are you supposed to do--ignore a penalty just because it was the Super Bowl? You know what you do when you get a penalty? You overcome it. Like the holding that would have given Seattle the ball at the 3. They cry about that one, but did we cry when we got a holding on the first play of the final drive against Arizona? No. We overcame it, converted a 1st and 20 into a first down. If you are a Super Bowl team, that is what you do.
I cannot blame you for looking for excuses. After watching losing game after losing game for 4 decades, all you have are excuses. Its all you know.
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Zombo said:
What?Zombo
you see zombo, he cannot think all too well. he has severe brain damage from falling on and off the bandwagon for years and landing on his head. it's not his fault really, it the only way he knows. right Fondles and Sucks Gonads?
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Squeelroids suck*.
*the Squeelroids have never won a league championship without cheating in one way or another. Steroids used to be their prefferred method of cheating. Now, it's paying off officials.
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Zombo said:
The Steelers absolutely sucked for 40 years, there is no denying it.
The Browns have sucked since Modell yanked the rug from under the city in 94.
In 94 we were a playoff team. Seven playoff seasons in the 80s. Two more in the 70's. Just about evey year in the 60's.
These Browns suck. (Even though they had the same record as Pittsburgh one year ago)
From 1946 to 1995, the Browns were an outstanding league franchise. A couple lean years in the mid 70's and early 90's ... otherwise always highly competitive.
Not the pile of crap the Steelers were from 1933-1972 or that the Browns have basically been since 99.
Zombo
--the tide will turn again ... so try and act with some class while you can.
In league in which 5-6 teams make the playoffs per season, making the playoffs does not make you a good team. You say the Steelers from 1933-1971 sucked, but there was only one post-season team per conference (save for a tie). So the basis of using playoff appearances to compare the "success" of teams of the different eras.
Since the 1964 NFL Championship Game, the Browns have managed to win a paltry 4 playoff games. If you want to fully understand that degree of sucktitude, only the Houston Texans (around only since 2002) Detroit Lions, New Orleans Saints and Kansas City Cheifs have won less. The Panthers, Jaguars and Ravens, who have less than a 15 year existance, all have more than than the Browns.
Only 7 fewer teams that have been around since the merger have fewer Division Titles than the Browns. And there were 6 of those awarded per season, now there are 8. And the Browns have the 8th worst winning percentage since the merger. Pretty much proves my point of your sucktitude.
Wow, you had the same record as us back in 2007......maybe you would have had a better record if you would have, oh, I don't know, actually beaten us.
In 1994, we swept you on a 3 game sweep in that season, same as we did your last playoff season of 2002.
The truth of the matter is by and large, the Browns have been at the bottom of the league in winning, management, class (throwing bottles on the field, batteries on the field) and talent. The only thing Cleveland can top Pittsburgh at in terms of football is that your city has 2-0 advantage, in terms of franchises LEAVING the city.
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Zombo said:
The Steelers absolutely sucked for 40 years, there is no denying it.
The Browns have sucked since Modell yanked the rug from under the city in 94.
In 94 we were a playoff team. Seven playoff seasons in the 80s. Two more in the 70's. Just about evey year in the 60's.
These Browns suck. (Even though they had the same record as Pittsburgh one year ago)
From 1946 to 1995, the Browns were an outstanding league franchise. A couple lean years in the mid 70's and early 90's ... otherwise always highly competitive.
Not the pile of crap the Steelers were from 1933-1972 or that the Browns have basically been since 99.
Zombo
--the tide will turn again ... so try and act with some class while you can.
In league in which 5-6 teams make the playoffs per season, making the playoffs does not make you a good team. You say the Steelers from 1933-1971 sucked, but there was only one post-season team per conference (save for a tie). So the basis of using playoff appearances to compare the "success" of teams of the different eras.
Since the 1964 NFL Championship Game, the Browns have managed to win a paltry 4 playoff games. If you want to fully understand that degree of sucktitude, only the Houston Texans (around only since 2002) Detroit Lions, New Orleans Saints and Kansas City Cheifs have won less. The Panthers, Jaguars and Ravens, who have less than a 15 year existance, all have more than than the Browns.
Only 7 fewer teams that have been around since the merger have fewer Division Titles than the Browns. And there were 6 of those awarded per season, now there are 8. And the Browns have the 8th worst winning percentage since the merger. Pretty much proves my point of your sucktitude.
Wow, you had the same record as us back in 2007......maybe you would have had a better record if you would have, oh, I don't know, actually beaten us.
In 1994, we swept you on a 3 game sweep in that season, same as we did your last playoff season of 2002.
The truth of the matter is by and large, the Browns have been at the bottom of the league in winning, management, class (throwing bottles on the field, batteries on the field) and talent. The only thing Cleveland can top Pittsburgh at in terms of football is that your city has 2-0 advantage, in terms of franchises LEAVING the city.
The truth of the matter is by and large, the Browns have been at the bottom of the league in winning, management, class (throwing bottles on the field, batteries on the field) and talent. The only thing Cleveland can top Pittsburgh at in terms of football is that your city has 2-0 advantage, in terms of franchises LEAVING the city.
yet your pathetic ass is still on a browns message board. get a life loser
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Zombo said:
We have 8 league championships. The AAFC, like the AFL, is recognized by the Pro Football Hall of Fame as a MAJOR professional football league.We have 8 league championships, you have 6, you are outscored on that simple, straight-forward point.
Zombo
--The AAFC Browns won the NFL on their first try ... not only were they as good ... they were better. And they proved it.
The NFL does not recognize those Championships. Sad too, because the Browns fans are the only ones who hold minor league titles has high as you do. Ever hear the Bills or Chargers fans talk about their AFL Championships the same way? They don't. They are about winning the real prize, not living in the past in a dead league long forgotten.
Oh, btw, the Steelers have 76 championships, they won al their Rec Leagues from 1935-1967. See my point, AAFC Titles were nothing more than a minor league championship, not recognized by the NFL.
The Pro Football Hall of Fame gives credence for the USFL and Arena league championships too, are you as equally proud of those? I realize you would be, but then again, you have nothing else to grab onto.
In the meantime, enjoy the SI commercials with the Steelers Championship Package. Did you order yours yet?
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45 years? The Steelers won their first division title in 1972 and were founded in 1933. Do you need help with your math?
And what are you talking about 20 year suck-fest?
Since 1965, you have won a grand total of 4 playoff games. Only 4 in all that time. The 1970s was a pathetic joke for you. A back to back run in 86/87 aside, the 80s were mediocre. The 90s were worse. The 2000s have been ridiculous. I see a 40 year run of absolutely nothing to be proud of. 20 year suck-fest? Double that one up buddy.
ok man you really need to stop digging up old posts and writing about them. nobody cares about what you think. i have barely read anything you have written. go on a steeler's board with all of the other fail weather idiots. i also figured out what your name means; Fondles and Sucks Gonads.
ok man you really need to stop digging up old posts and writing about them. nobody cares about what you think. i have barely read anything you have written. go on a steeler's board with all of the other fail weather idiots. i also figured out what your name means; Fondles and Sucks Gonads.
That's because I put down logic, fact and truth. I read this whole thing, and rolled my eyes to the stupidity of you guys, so you drew me out, its your own fault.
All your pathetic loser *** can do is say Squeelers, or Steelroids or you cheated or we are the best fans or wait till next year.
I destroy you, and everyone of your 14 page thread, and of course you don't want me here. I wouldn't if I were you either, because I will make you realize just how pathetic your franchise really is.
How have you enjoyed 25 of the last 28 head to head games by the way? What is your excuse for the season sweep next year? I mean, you've had plenty of time to practice--I am sure you can come up with a new excuse you haven't used yet.
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