Net Neutrality
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It's somewhat complicated in that free market should dictate that whoever spends the money to lay the cable should be able to control it right?
I have no love for Time Warner and wish there was a better cheaper alternative to internet service. But remember all of our gallant attempt to break up monopolies in the past haven't really been the panacea we hoped for.
I usually assume that government regulation will lead to more money going to, guess who.
WSS
It's somewhat complicated in that free market should dictate that whoever spends the money to lay the cable should be able to control it right?
I have no love for Time Warner and wish there was a better cheaper alternative to internet service. But remember all of our gallant attempt to break up monopolies in the past haven't really been the panacea we hoped for.
I usually assume that government regulation will lead to more money going to, guess who.
WSS
thats right - the government....
http://www.caintv.com/holman-jenkinss-blistering-tak
plus "political allies" as google portends to be in the bag for the left leaning bent
"By the way, it's not for no reason that already-dominant players like Google love the idea of net neutrality. They've already got theirs, and net neutrality precludes the possibility that potential competitors can use their economic power to make a play for some of their market share. It's a classic case of what happens when one player grows and becomes dominant, then feels it has nowhere to go but down so starts looking to politicians to protect its lofty status."
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Yeah, an even playing field, that's really unfair to the new people coming in. Because lord knows, if companies could pay to get better service, google would never do that and have an even bigger edge on the competition...
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It's somewhat complicated in that free market should dictate that whoever spends the money to lay the cable should be able to control it right?
I have no love for Time Warner and wish there was a better cheaper alternative to internet service. But remember all of our gallant attempt to break up monopolies in the past haven't really been the panacea we hoped for.
I usually assume that government regulation will lead to more money going to, guess who.
WSS
thats right - the government....
http://www.caintv.com/holman-jenkinss-blistering-tak
plus "political allies" as google portends to be in the bag for the left leaning bent
"By the way, it's not for no reason that already-dominant players like Google love the idea of net neutrality. They've already got theirs, and net neutrality precludes the possibility that potential competitors can use their economic power to make a play for some of their market share. It's a classic case of what happens when one player grows and becomes dominant, then feels it has nowhere to go but down so starts looking to politicians to protect its lofty status."
thats right - the government....
http://www.caintv.com/holman-jenkinss-blistering-tak
plus "political allies" as google portends to be in the bag for the left leaning bent
"By the way, it's not for no reason that already-dominant players like Google love the idea of net neutrality. They've already got theirs, and net neutrality precludes the possibility that potential competitors can use their economic power to make a play for some of their market share. It's a classic case of what happens when one player grows and becomes dominant, then feels it has nowhere to go but down so starts looking to politicians to protect its lofty status."
B.S..... on so many levels
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thats right - the government....
http://www.caintv.com/holman-jenkinss-blistering-tak
plus "political allies" as google portends to be in the bag for the left leaning bent
"By the way, it's not for no reason that already-dominant players like Google love the idea of net neutrality. They've already got theirs, and net neutrality precludes the possibility that potential competitors can use their economic power to make a play for some of their market share. It's a classic case of what happens when one player grows and becomes dominant, then feels it has nowhere to go but down so starts looking to politicians to protect its lofty status."
B.S..... on so many levels
B.S..... on so many levels
..from John Kerry's Meeting With Staff and Families of Embassy Brasilia - http://www.state.gov/secretary/remarks/2013/08/213088.htm
"I'm a student of history, and I love to go back and read a particularly great book like Kissinger’s book about diplomacy where you think about the 18th, 19th centuries and the balance of power and how difficult it was for countries to advance their interests and years and years of wars. And we sometimes say to ourselves, boy, aren’t we lucky. Well, folks, ever since the end of the Cold War, forces have been unleashed that were tamped down for centuries by dictators, and that was complicated further by this little thing called the internet and the ability of people everywhere to communicate instantaneously and to have more information coming at them in one day than most people can process in months or a year.
It makes it much harder to govern, makes it much harder to organize people, much harder to find the common interest, and that is complicated by a rise of sectarianism and religious extremism that is prepared to employ violent means to impose on other people a way of thinking and a way of living that is completely contrary to everything the United States of America has ever stood for. So we need to keep in mind what our goals are and how complicated this world is that we’re operating in."
so leave the internet out the governments hands....NO REGULATION WANTED, except by those who feel threatened by it?
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I think the internet will be tightly controlled eventually.
"You planning on having a long relationship with that glass or are you going to drink it? Drink up, man. Maybe we can get another.” - Janis Joplin, 1970. -
I think the internet will be tightly controlled eventually.
I think the internet will be tightly controlled eventually.
I think it's very difficult to control the internet. If ever there were to be a stage where there's complete control by some government or international agency, a new version will pop up. this kind of technology is very difficult to control anyway - like trying to ban torrenting, you can make it illegal in your country, but it's legal in others (like Sweden) and so people will download from there. Then you're chasing individuals for the money and it becomes a lot less worth it for media companies.
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B.S..... on so many levels
..from John Kerry's Meeting With Staff and Families of Embassy Brasilia - http://www.state.gov/secretary/remarks/2013/08/213088.htm
"I'm a student of history, and I love to go back and read a particularly great book like Kissinger’s book about diplomacy where you think about the 18th, 19th centuries and the balance of power and how difficult it was for countries to advance their interests and years and years of wars. And we sometimes say to ourselves, boy, aren’t we lucky. Well, folks, ever since the end of the Cold War, forces have been unleashed that were tamped down for centuries by dictators, and that was complicated further by this little thing called the internet and the ability of people everywhere to communicate instantaneously and to have more information coming at them in one day than most people can process in months or a year.
It makes it much harder to govern, makes it much harder to organize people, much harder to find the common interest, and that is complicated by a rise of sectarianism and religious extremism that is prepared to employ violent means to impose on other people a way of thinking and a way of living that is completely contrary to everything the United States of America has ever stood for. So we need to keep in mind what our goals are and how complicated this world is that we’re operating in."
so leave the internet out the governments hands....NO REGULATION WANTED, except by those who feel threatened by it?
so leave the internet out the governments hands....NO REGULATION WANTED, except by those who feel threatened by it?
If you leave the internet out of the government's hands, at least on this issue, you'll have a cartel of internet companies creating different levels of internet (different speeds, bandwidths etc) based on how much you pay them. You can already see ISPs using throttling as a threat to clients, for example with Comcast asking Netflix for more money to host, throttling the speeds until they gave in (see graph).
That kind of corporate bullying is what we need to prevent, and somewhere the government can and should have a tangible impact.
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I think the internet will be tightly controlled eventually.
I think it's very difficult to control the internet. If ever there were to be a stage where there's complete control by some government or international agency, a new version will pop up. this kind of technology is very difficult to control anyway - like trying to ban torrenting, you can make it illegal in your country, but it's legal in others (like Sweden) and so people will download from there. Then you're chasing individuals for the money and it becomes a lot less worth it for media companies.
I think it's very difficult to control the internet. If ever there were to be a stage where there's complete control by some government or international agency, a new version will pop up. this kind of technology is very difficult to control anyway - like trying to ban torrenting, you can make it illegal in your country, but it's legal in others (like Sweden) and so people will download from there. Then you're chasing individuals for the money and it becomes a lot less worth it for media companies.
Right now what you say is true yes. But down the road I think it will happen. How far? I have no idea.
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B.S..... on so many levels
..from John Kerry's Meeting With Staff and Families of Embassy Brasilia - http://www.state.gov/secretary/remarks/2013/08/213088.htm
"I'm a student of history, and I love to go back and read a particularly great book like Kissinger’s book about diplomacy where you think about the 18th, 19th centuries and the balance of power and how difficult it was for countries to advance their interests and years and years of wars. And we sometimes say to ourselves, boy, aren’t we lucky. Well, folks, ever since the end of the Cold War, forces have been unleashed that were tamped down for centuries by dictators, and that was complicated further by this little thing called the internet and the ability of people everywhere to communicate instantaneously and to have more information coming at them in one day than most people can process in months or a year.
It makes it much harder to govern, makes it much harder to organize people, much harder to find the common interest, and that is complicated by a rise of sectarianism and religious extremism that is prepared to employ violent means to impose on other people a way of thinking and a way of living that is completely contrary to everything the United States of America has ever stood for. So we need to keep in mind what our goals are and how complicated this world is that we’re operating in."
so leave the internet out the governments hands....NO REGULATION WANTED, except by those who feel threatened by it?
..from John Kerry's Meeting With Staff and Families of Embassy Brasilia - http://www.state.gov/secretary/remarks/2013/08/213088.htm
"I'm a student of history, and I love to go back and read a particularly great book like Kissinger’s book about diplomacy where you think about the 18th, 19th centuries and the balance of power and how difficult it was for countries to advance their interests and years and years of wars. And we sometimes say to ourselves, boy, aren’t we lucky. Well, folks, ever since the end of the Cold War, forces have been unleashed that were tamped down for centuries by dictators, and that was complicated further by this little thing called the internet and the ability of people everywhere to communicate instantaneously and to have more information coming at them in one day than most people can process in months or a year.
It makes it much harder to govern, makes it much harder to organize people, much harder to find the common interest, and that is complicated by a rise of sectarianism and religious extremism that is prepared to employ violent means to impose on other people a way of thinking and a way of living that is completely contrary to everything the United States of America has ever stood for. So we need to keep in mind what our goals are and how complicated this world is that we’re operating in."
so leave the internet out the governments hands....NO REGULATION WANTED, except by those who feel threatened by it?
You realize Net Neutrality is the belief that Government and ISP's should not control the content you are able to view by favoring certain groups(either financially or politically)? To basically allow the internet to be free, with the flow of information.
Companies like Google, Youtube, and Facebook would actually benefit more without Net Neutrality than with it, since start-ups would have a harder time competing against an established company.
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I think the internet will be tightly controlled eventually.
I think the internet will be tightly controlled eventually.
While possible, currently in countries that monitor and have firewalls to prevent content from getting into their countries(such as China, and much of the Middle East) the internet has found ways to get around the road blocks.
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..from John Kerry's Meeting With Staff and Families of Embassy Brasilia - http://www.state.gov/secretary/remarks/2013/08/213088.htm
"I'm a student of history, and I love to go back and read a particularly great book like Kissinger’s book about diplomacy where you think about the 18th, 19th centuries and the balance of power and how difficult it was for countries to advance their interests and years and years of wars. And we sometimes say to ourselves, boy, aren’t we lucky. Well, folks, ever since the end of the Cold War, forces have been unleashed that were tamped down for centuries by dictators, and that was complicated further by this little thing called the internet and the ability of people everywhere to communicate instantaneously and to have more information coming at them in one day than most people can process in months or a year.
It makes it much harder to govern, makes it much harder to organize people, much harder to find the common interest, and that is complicated by a rise of sectarianism and religious extremism that is prepared to employ violent means to impose on other people a way of thinking and a way of living that is completely contrary to everything the United States of America has ever stood for. So we need to keep in mind what our goals are and how complicated this world is that we’re operating in."
so leave the internet out the governments hands....NO REGULATION WANTED, except by those who feel threatened by it?
You realize Net Neutrality is the belief that Government and ISP's should not control the content you are able to view by favoring certain groups(either financially or politically)? To basically allow the internet to be free, with the flow of information.
Companies like Google, Youtube, and Facebook would actually benefit more without Net Neutrality than with it, since start-ups would have a harder time competing against an established company.
You realize Net Neutrality is the belief that Government and ISP's should not control the content you are able to view by favoring certain groups(either financially or politically)? To basically allow the internet to be free, with the flow of information.
Companies like Google, Youtube, and Facebook would actually benefit more without Net Neutrality than with it, since start-ups would have a harder time competing against an established company.
I think we all learned this week - who WAS and was not "grubered", you are not really believing that the "free flow" of internet use is best left
up to the decision makers in dc do you? ( insert gruber reference) They are very interested in controlling the net on all levels as you said ^^
heres another reason - http://dailysignal.com/2014/11/14/obamas-plan-backdoor-internet-tax/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social
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everything has to be taxed to support a socialist state.
They'll tax gun owners, if they can get em registered, farmers
for cows farting......
everything. It's a disaster, this obamao crap.
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Aaannnddd We're gone
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one downside of allowing every jerk off with a ten dollar bill in his pocket to jump in the game and compete with the guys who have laid the groundwork and spent the money is that you get so many proprietary splinter groups.
While that is supposed to promote competition it usually lines up making every product worse than it might be.
WSS
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one downside of allowing every jerk off with a ten dollar bill in his pocket to jump in the game and compete with the guys who have laid the groundwork and spent the money is that you get so many proprietary splinter groups.
While that is supposed to promote competition it usually lines up making every product worse than it might be.
WSS
one downside of allowing every jerk off with a ten dollar bill in his pocket to jump in the game and compete with the guys who have laid the groundwork and spent the money is that you get so many proprietary splinter groups.
While that is supposed to promote competition it usually lines up making every product worse than it might be.
WSS
Considering the current state of internet service providers, I truly wonder how competition might make it worse.
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Time Warner sucks. I have constant outages at all times of the day.
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Time Warner sucks. I have constant outages at all times of the day.
Time Warner sucks. I have constant outages at all times of the day.
I hear ya. But how will net neutrality change that? Not everybody is going to run cable.
And wouldn't that mean everybody shares the same cable? Even after they get the light pipe run?
WSS
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one downside of allowing every jerk off with a ten dollar bill in his pocket to jump in the game and compete with the guys who have laid the groundwork and spent the money is that you get so many proprietary splinter groups.
While that is supposed to promote competition it usually lines up making every product worse than it might be.
WSS
one downside of allowing every jerk off with a ten dollar bill in his pocket to jump in the game and compete with the guys who have laid the groundwork and spent the money is that you get so many proprietary splinter groups.
While that is supposed to promote competition it usually lines up making every product worse than it might be.
WSS
But that's the free market, allowing everyone to compete with everyone. It's led to better service over here from broadband-only companies that have popped up. The alternative is just to ring fence the existing companies and let them form a cartel.
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one downside of allowing every jerk off with a ten dollar bill in his pocket to jump in the game and compete with the guys who have laid the groundwork and spent the money is that you get so many proprietary splinter groups.
While that is supposed to promote competition it usually lines up making every product worse than it might be.
WSS
But that's the free market, allowing everyone to compete with everyone. It's led to better service over here from broadband-only companies that have popped up. The alternative is just to ring fence the existing companies and let them form a cartel.
But that's the free market, allowing everyone to compete with everyone. It's led to better service over here from broadband-only companies that have popped up. The alternative is just to ring fence the existing companies and let them form a cartel.
Well not quite. Forcing the person who spent the money and effort to lay the cable to share that commodity with startup companies isn't the free market.
If in fact that's what the law might do. I admittedly don't understand every nuance and I'm not an attorney.
WSS
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That's not what this is about though, this is about not letting service providers throttle websites that can't afford to pay.
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