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  • this loss like the JAX loss brought us all back down to earth if nothing else.

    after watching a game like this as afan, how could you ever question again the importance of having a strong OL and DL?

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  • miktoxicM miktoxic

    this loss like the JAX loss brought us all back down to earth if nothing else.

    after watching a game like this as afan, how could you ever question again the importance of having a strong OL and DL?

    @miktoxic said:

    this loss like the JAX loss brought us all back down to earth if nothing else.

    after watching a game like this as afan, how could you ever question again the importance of having a strong OL and DL?

    It's all won in the trenches.

  • miktoxicM miktoxic

    this loss like the JAX loss brought us all back down to earth if nothing else.

    after watching a game like this as afan, how could you ever question again the importance of having a strong OL and DL?

    @miktoxic said:

    this loss like the JAX loss brought us all back down to earth if nothing else.

    after watching a game like this as afan, how could you ever question again the importance of having a strong OL and DL?

    I was lucky enough to have missed the Jags game, and refused to watch even a single play on my DVR once I heard the score........... I wasn't so lucky today.

    They are a young team, with young coaches and multiple injuries / suspensions that are keeping several core starters out on both sides of the ball. They are 6-4 and right in the thick of the playoff / division race, and they get back one of their best players tomorrow morning.

    From where I sit, things look pretty good.

  • D BoneD D Bone

    @miktoxic said:

    this loss like the JAX loss brought us all back down to earth if nothing else.

    after watching a game like this as afan, how could you ever question again the importance of having a strong OL and DL?

    I was lucky enough to have missed the Jags game, and refused to watch even a single play on my DVR once I heard the score........... I wasn't so lucky today.

    They are a young team, with young coaches and multiple injuries / suspensions that are keeping several core starters out on both sides of the ball. They are 6-4 and right in the thick of the playoff / division race, and they get back one of their best players tomorrow morning.

    From where I sit, things look pretty good.

    @d-bone said:

    I was lucky enough to have missed the Jags game, and refused to watch even a single play on my DVR once I heard the score........... I wasn't so lucky today.

    They are a young team, with young coaches and multiple injuries / suspensions that are keeping several core starters out on both sides of the ball. They are 6-4 and right in the thick of the playoff / division race, and they get back one of their best players tomorrow morning.

    From where I sit, things look pretty good.

    hey, i'm not bitching about our record. it's just too bad we play down to the supposed 'lesser' teams and play really good against the 'better' teams.

    things are looking better than they have in years. imagine how good they'd be if we had REAL depth at all positions along both lines. stopping the run has been a problem all year and taylor comes back and people think he really didn't add much. he goes out again and the browns couldn't stop an old lady crossing the street.

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  • This is another AFC loss

    The first tie breaker in wild card standings is conference record, is it not?

    Jax loss and this loss are going to hurt us.

    The Browns will need to win the division for any chance at the playoffs.

    "And they don't really know even what they're talkin' about And I can't imagine what empty heads can achieve."
  • miktoxicM miktoxic

    @d-bone said:

    I was lucky enough to have missed the Jags game, and refused to watch even a single play on my DVR once I heard the score........... I wasn't so lucky today.

    They are a young team, with young coaches and multiple injuries / suspensions that are keeping several core starters out on both sides of the ball. They are 6-4 and right in the thick of the playoff / division race, and they get back one of their best players tomorrow morning.

    From where I sit, things look pretty good.

    hey, i'm not bitching about our record. it's just too bad we play down to the supposed 'lesser' teams and play really good against the 'better' teams.

    things are looking better than they have in years. imagine how good they'd be if we had REAL depth at all positions along both lines. stopping the run has been a problem all year and taylor comes back and people think he really didn't add much. he goes out again and the browns couldn't stop an old lady crossing the street.

    @miktoxic said:

    hey, i'm not bitching about our record. it's just too bad we play down to the supposed 'lesser' teams and play really good against the 'better' teams.

    things are looking better than they have in years. imagine how good they'd be if we had REAL depth at all positions along both lines. stopping the run has been a problem all year and taylor comes back and people think he really didn't add much. he goes out again and the browns couldn't stop an old lady crossing the street.

    Totally agree mik. We seem to match the opponent on the field, and it's maddening. Hopefully we address both lines in the draft and FA, because right now, we get bullied on both sides of the ball, and the LOS always seems to get pushed onto our side of the field.

    Still, at the start of the season if you would've told me we would be 6-4 after 10 games, I would've jumped all over it!

  • Canton DawgC Canton Dawg

    @westside-steve said:

    It seems Brian Hoyer has also had the benefit of a lot of luck.

    Maybe I'm just noticing it more but doesn't it seem to you guys the announcers are saying "that should have been picked off" pretty often? Seems like defenders are mysteriously missing or dropping the bad passes?

    WSS

    The Hoyer pick in today's game hit the WR in the chest then bounced off of his knee.

    I would call that one bad luck.

    @canton-dawg said:

    The Hoyer pick in today's game hit the WR in the chest then bounced off of his knee.

    I would call that one bad luck.

    Yeah not that one, Mike. I just point out he's gotten lucky an awful lot of times with potential interceptions being dropped or missed.

    WSS

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  • Tour2maT Tour2ma

    Zombo said:

    He's smart, a good leader, and inaccurate when unable to set and stride. All depends upon what we think we have in Manziel.

    Amended... but might be even simpler to say "under duress".

    afcnorthravensfan509 said:

    He seems to play afraid...his low turnover count sort of indicates he's afraid of making certain throws because he's afraid of throwing a pick. Probably because he doesn't have elite accuracy.

    If you're going to guess, just stop...

    @tour2ma said:

    Amended... but might be even simpler to say "under duress".

    That doesn't make it better for him. Duress happens.

    I am down with him having this entire season to start. He has done some wonderful things. But he is going to have to improve that aspect if he wants to continue to be an NFL starter going forward.

    Zombo

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  • D dawg08

    So who now believes Hoyer deserves that big contract?? Big mistake if they write him a big contract. The guy is an inconsistent, below to Average QB

    @dawg08 said:

    So who now believes Hoyer deserves that big contract?? Big mistake if they write him a big contract.

    XxDaBuckeyexX said:

    I would offer him a fair contract, like 4 years 32 mill.

    @diehardbrownsfan said:

    I would offer him back up money.

    Ok, good, great?

    Franchise QB, starter, back up?

    good value, retail price, over pay?

    All questions Farmer has to answer. While it's obvious BH isnt Peyton Manning, it's also obvious he's good enough to start and play for someone. So, the debate is really not how good Hoyer is, but how much are you willing to pay him?

    Bottom line is that SOMEONE will pay him. It's too hard to find competent QB's in this league and lots of teams are desperate to find one. Someone will pay a lot to try him out. History has proven this over and over again. Personally, I dont think he'll stay if he needs a guarantee to start or wants top 10 type of money. The browns wont make that promise, but someone else will.

    I see Farmer as a "value" guy, who's eye is on the payroll as much as the talent. It has to be a good value, with balance, or he'll pass. I think he see's Hoyer as a good value today, but not so much at "franchise QB" dollars or if he has to dump JFF to appease Hoyer.

    JFF is the wildcard he's holding. And none of us have seen it yet. Wonder when he plays THAT one.

  • Season isn't over yet, we're still in the thick of it. Let these guys try and figure it out against ATL.

  • Z Zombo

    @tour2ma said:

    Amended... but might be even simpler to say "under duress".

    That doesn't make it better for him. Duress happens.

    I am down with him having this entire season to start. He has done some wonderful things. But he is going to have to improve that aspect if he wants to continue to be an NFL starter going forward.

    Zombo

    Zombo said:

    That doesn't make it better for him. Duress happens.

    I am down with him having this entire season to start. He has done some wonderful things. But he is going to have to improve that aspect if he wants to continue to be an NFL starter going forward.

    Yup... duress happens... and no QB is immune to real duress, as Tom Terrific showed us in the first half of the SNF game.

    The issue is BH letting perceived duress impact him... often even more than the real thing.

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  • So which of the other teams in the league would trade their starter for Brian Hoyer today?

    Straight up trade.

    WSS

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  • W Westside Steve

    So which of the other teams in the league would trade their starter for Brian Hoyer today?

    Straight up trade.

    WSS

    @westside-steve said:

    So which of the other teams in the league would trade their starter for Brian Hoyer today?

    Straight up trade.

    WSS

    Buffalo

    Cinci?!

    Jets

    St Louis maybe, if you're counting Austin not Bradford

    Titans

    Probably a few more I can't think of.

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  • W Westside Steve

    So which of the other teams in the league would trade their starter for Brian Hoyer today?

    Straight up trade.

    WSS

    @westside-steve said:

    So which of the other teams in the league would trade their starter for Brian Hoyer today?

    Straight up trade.

    WSS

    today? none.

    the question makes no sense. you'd have to take in consideration that he'd be a brand new guy , most likely in a new system with new players he'd have to become familiar with. that's why you never see trades like that happen.

    when in the history of the nfl has one team traded their starter for another's with 6 games left in the year?

    let me know if it's happened because i'd find it highly unlikely.

  • And they wont have to trade their starter since Hoyer is a FA. So, add a few more to the list that can afford him, while still keeping their plan B guy.

    Edit: The trade deadline has passed. Aint no trades happening anytime soon.

  • gftChrisG gftChris

    @westside-steve said:

    So which of the other teams in the league would trade their starter for Brian Hoyer today?

    Straight up trade.

    WSS

    Buffalo

    Cinci?!

    Jets

    St Louis maybe, if you're counting Austin not Bradford

    Titans

    Probably a few more I can't think of.

    @gftchris said:

    Buffalo

    Cinci?!

    Jets

    St Louis maybe, if you're counting Austin not Bradford

    Titans

    Probably a few more I can't think of.

    ok yeah.

    hypothetically, a team with a real lousy QB would love to have brian hoyer over some of the bums out there. i thought the trade would be more of a straight level trade where someone wasn't getting hosed by the deal.

    i'd put minnesota and washington on that list as well.

  • W Westside Steve

    So which of the other teams in the league would trade their starter for Brian Hoyer today?

    Straight up trade.

    WSS

    @westside-steve said:

    So which of the other teams in the league would trade their starter for Brian Hoyer today?

    Straight up trade.

    WSS

    I believe Buffalo, Chicago, Jets, Tampa, and STL (Do they even give Bradford more chances?) are the teams that have existing options that they have no hope in. All of which would likely rather have Hoyer than Orton, Cutler, Vick/Smith, McCown/Glennon, and Davis/Bradford.

    Other teams would like to have Hoyer I'm sure but have young guys they haven't given up on yet: Jags/Bortles, Texans/Mallet?, Vikings/Bridgewater, Titans/Mettenberge, Redskins/RGIII?

    Hoyer was bad and he's only highlighted because he's the QB. Everybody stunk it up yesterday. We're right in the thick of the division race still, with 2 huge divisional games.

  • Oh come on Mik.

    All other factors being equal.

    (we can go back to the beginning of training camp or to the end of this season if it makes it easier)

    And Chris you think the Titans would give up on Mettenberger this quick?

    I'd be very surprised if the Bengals were ready to throw Dalton under the bus.

    Or st. Louis with Bradford.

    If he wasn't a shitbag wouldn't you have rather started training camp with Michael Vick?

    WSS

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  • i like what we have now but if you want to go back and look at a couple of ideas i had about QBs we could have taken a stab at....you might be surprised.

    but michael vick? no never. he'll never be anything in my eyes but a scumbag.

  • miktoxicM miktoxic

    i like what we have now but if you want to go back and look at a couple of ideas i had about QBs we could have taken a stab at....you might be surprised.

    but michael vick? no never. he'll never be anything in my eyes but a scumbag.

    @miktoxic said:

    i like what we have now but if you want to go back and look at a couple of ideas i had about QBs we could have taken a stab at....you might be surprised.

    but michael vick? no never. he'll never be anything in my eyes but a scumbag.

    yes I hate the fucker. Just saying if his ability was transferred to a nice guy.

    WSS

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