Notes and Observations from yesterday's loss.
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Probably because outside of the one run by Crowell we were averaging 1ypc.
Ok. But supposedly Shanahan doesn't abandon the run. Ever.
I don't have much to argue with as I was blasted yesterday something awful. I thought my bender at the Raiders late-afternoon game would be the farthest I'd go this year. I was wrong, lol.
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Probably because outside of the one run by Crowell we were averaging 1ypc.
Exactly. Why stick with it, when it clearly wasn't working?
I've heard Shanny get credit for sticking with the run when we came back against the Stools and Titans. Of course, we were down big time in both those games. And, in those situations, MOST teams would have started passing. Those games our run game was "working" and he showed patience and stuck with it. And it worked.
This week there was no run game to stick with.
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Our defense played like a bottom 3 NFL D yesterday. I somewhat believe they are a bottom 3 defense...
150 Yds, 4+ YPC for Blue, 50 Yds, 4+ YPC for Grimes. You don't win football games giving up numbers like that.
Offense not any better. Aside from 1 stat-skewing run, our rushing game was back to dead. Hoyer was inaccurate, everybody was scared of watt (In practice did they tell these guys just to lay down for Watt?) , don't understand the play calling - Run to Watt twice without a TE, then setup 3rd and 9. How about TE assist on Watt on passing plays? Hoyer is lucky to still be walking.
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Our defense played like a bottom 3 NFL D yesterday. I somewhat believe they are a bottom 3 defense...
150 Yds, 4+ YPC for Blue, 50 Yds, 4+ YPC for Grimes. You don't win football games giving up numbers like that.
Offense not any better. Aside from 1 stat-skewing run, our rushing game was back to dead. Hoyer was inaccurate, everybody was scared of watt (In practice did they tell these guys just to lay down for Watt?) , don't understand the play calling - Run to Watt twice without a TE, then setup 3rd and 9. How about TE assist on Watt on passing plays? Hoyer is lucky to still be walking.
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(and for the slow ones, dont freak out, its just a joke)
It's sad that you needed to add this
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I'm not sure if this is posted elsewhere, but Kruger was pretty damn pissed after the game from the sounds of it which is good to hear. His comments were a little troubling about why they played so shitty. Here's the link: http://espn.go.com/blog/cleveland-browns/post/_/id/9754/browns-forgot-who-they-were-in-loss-to-texans?ex_cid=espnapi_public
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That makes 2 starting defenders that have basically said "we weren't ready to play" ................ Very troubling to say the least. Throw in our OC & DC's terrible game plans and pathetic game day adjustments, and that warm and fuzzy feeling I had 11 days ago, has turned into fear and anguish.
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I'm not sure if this is posted elsewhere, but Kruger was pretty damn pissed after the game from the sounds of it which is good to hear. His comments were a little troubling about why they played so shitty. Here's the link: http://espn.go.com/blog/cleveland-browns/post/_/id/9754/browns-forgot-who-they-were-in-loss-to-texans?ex_cid=espnapi_public
I'm not sure if this is posted elsewhere, but Kruger was pretty damn pissed after the game from the sounds of it which is good to hear. His comments were a little troubling about why they played so shitty. Here's the link: http://espn.go.com/blog/cleveland-browns/post/_/id/9754/browns-forgot-who-they-were-in-loss-to-texans?ex_cid=espnapi_public
I got worried when they announced after the Bengals game, that they were off until Tuesday. 4 days off is at least one too many for a young team.
As for Hoyer, he's consistently inconsistent. He's done some good things this season, so let's see how it plays out vs. Atlanta with Gordon coming back. If the offense is sluggish vs. the Falcons & @Buffalo, they may consider the switch to JF- I don't know if that is fair, but if they're 6-6, why not? Nothing to lose, unless JF says he isn't ready (like he did after camp).
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That makes 2 starting defenders that have basically said "we weren't ready to play" ................ Very troubling to say the least. Throw in our OC & DC's terrible game plans and pathetic game day adjustments, and that warm and fuzzy feeling I had 11 days ago, has turned into fear and anguish.
That makes 2 starting defenders that have basically said "we weren't ready to play" ................ Very troubling to say the least. Throw in our OC & DC's terrible game plans and pathetic game day adjustments, and that warm and fuzzy feeling I had 11 days ago, has turned into fear and anguish.
Everybody had the same mindset you can't be hungover after a big win, 7 games left, etc. except for the team I guess.
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Kruger really shouldn't be too pissed. He played like shit yesterday and has officially reverted back to doing this jump step everytime he goes to rush the passer.
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Kruger really shouldn't be too pissed. He played like shit yesterday and has officially reverted back to doing this jump step everytime he goes to rush the passer.
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Only one point of observation need be made......the entire team and each individual unit sucked.
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Football is the ultimate team game. you're only as good as your weakest link. With injury and suspension we have a lot of weak links on this team at this point. We don't have a true center, we have undersized receivers ,none of whom will be seeing Canton. We have two rookie running backs and one old horse. our defense is much maligned with injury. We have not found the right guy to receive and return punts. On and on and on I can go. So why is it that the one getting slammed the most in this forum is Hoyer ? Simply because he's the QB ? He is one of the few bright spots on this team and yet he gets the most flack. If he played with Cincinnati with the talent they have they would run away with the division. if we had Andy Dalton we would probably be 1 - 9. Don't be so quick to wish for something because you just might be saddled with it.
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I'm not sure if this is posted elsewhere, but Kruger was pretty damn pissed after the game from the sounds of it which is good to hear. His comments were a little troubling about why they played so shitty. Here's the link: http://espn.go.com/blog/cleveland-browns/post/_/id/9754/browns-forgot-who-they-were-in-loss-to-texans?ex_cid=espnapi_public
I'm not sure if this is posted elsewhere, but Kruger was pretty damn pissed after the game from the sounds of it which is good to hear. His comments were a little troubling about why they played so shitty. Here's the link: http://espn.go.com/blog/cleveland-browns/post/_/id/9754/browns-forgot-who-they-were-in-loss-to-texans?ex_cid=espnapi_public
Read it... at least Kruger got this part right...
"Just the overall mental state, we could have come out with more emotion, more energy," said Kruger... "That's something I know I should have fixed early on."
Leadership after the fact?
So why is it that the one getting slammed the most in this forum is Hoyer ? Simply because he's the QB ?
Maybe because he turned out to be the face of the franchise.
Remember that debate?
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Football is the ultimate team game. you're only as good as your weakest link. With injury and suspension we have a lot of weak links on this team at this point. We don't have a true center, we have undersized receivers ,none of whom will be seeing Canton. We have two rookie running backs and one old horse. our defense is much maligned with injury. We have not found the right guy to receive and return punts. On and on and on I can go. So why is it that the one getting slammed the most in this forum is Hoyer ? Simply because he's the QB ? He is one of the few bright spots on this team and yet he gets the most flack. If he played with Cincinnati with the talent they have they would run away with the division. if we had Andy Dalton we would probably be 1 - 9. Don't be so quick to wish for something because you just might be saddled with it.
So why is it that the one getting slammed the most in this forum is Hoyer? Simply because he's the QB?
Because he gets a bulk of the credit when we win and none of the criticism when we lose.
He's had some good games this year and he's also had some bad ones.
The QB will almost always take credit for the win and loss at the NFL level, especially in the eyes of the media.
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Football is the ultimate team game. you're only as good as your weakest link. With injury and suspension we have a lot of weak links on this team at this point. We don't have a true center, we have undersized receivers ,none of whom will be seeing Canton. We have two rookie running backs and one old horse. our defense is much maligned with injury. We have not found the right guy to receive and return punts. On and on and on I can go. So why is it that the one getting slammed the most in this forum is Hoyer ? Simply because he's the QB ? He is one of the few bright spots on this team and yet he gets the most flack. If he played with Cincinnati with the talent they have they would run away with the division. if we had Andy Dalton we would probably be 1 - 9. Don't be so quick to wish for something because you just might be saddled with it.
So why is it that the one getting slammed the most in this forum is Hoyer ? Simply because he's the QB ?
Might have something to do with the franchise record for incompletions he set yesterday.
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I'm not sure if this is posted elsewhere, but Kruger was pretty damn pissed after the game from the sounds of it which is good to hear. His comments were a little troubling about why they played so shitty. Here's the link: http://espn.go.com/blog/cleveland-browns/post/_/id/9754/browns-forgot-who-they-were-in-loss-to-texans?ex_cid=espnapi_public
Read it... at least Kruger got this part right...
"Just the overall mental state, we could have come out with more emotion, more energy," said Kruger... "That's something I know I should have fixed early on."
Leadership after the fact?
So why is it that the one getting slammed the most in this forum is Hoyer ? Simply because he's the QB ?
Maybe because he turned out to be the face of the franchise.
Remember that debate?
Read it... at least Kruger got this part right...
"Just the overall mental state, we could have come out with more emotion, more energy," said Kruger... "That's something I know I should have fixed early on."
Leadership after the fact?
Maybe because he turned out to be the face of the franchise.
Remember that debate?
Yes I remember the debate, and point well taken. I actually meant to make that post in a different thread where it made more sense.
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So why is it that the one getting slammed the most in this forum is Hoyer? Simply because he's the QB?
Because he gets a bulk of the credit when we win and none of the criticism when we lose.
He's had some good games this year and he's also had some bad ones.
The QB will almost always take credit for the win and loss at the NFL level, especially in the eyes of the media.
Because he gets a bulk of the credit when we win and none of the criticism when we lose.
He's had some good games this year and he's also had some bad ones.
The QB will almost always take credit for the win and loss at the NFL level, especially in the eyes of the media.
Hoyer's a stand up guy and will always divert the credit for wins, and take the lumps for the losses.
As for the media, I've never given a damn what they think because it's all self serving on their part.
The post was meant for a different thread about hypothetical QB trades. But I'm getting older and get confused. LOL
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Because he gets a bulk of the credit when we win and none of the criticism when we lose.
He's had some good games this year and he's also had some bad ones.
The QB will almost always take credit for the win and loss at the NFL level, especially in the eyes of the media.
Hoyer's a stand up guy and will always divert the credit for wins, and take the lumps for the losses.
As for the media, I've never given a damn what they think because it's all self serving on their part.
The post was meant for a different thread about hypothetical QB trades. But I'm getting older and get confused. LOL
But I'm getting older and get confused. LOL
LOL... there's a completely separate forum for that.
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