QB bangs and busts by team
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OK, I said that I would do an analysis of which teams have done the best and the worst when it comes to drafting QBs in the first round. I will break this down by division....plus I will go back to 1936 when the draft began instead of just starting in 1970. Here is the NFC West teams in their history. (note...the NFC West has the two teams that have move around the most)
Chicago/St. Louis/Arizona Cardinals:
Lamar Mchan....bust
King Hill.....average
George Izo....bust
Joe Namath....bust as far as Cards are concern as they "wasted" a 1st rd. pick on a guy that never played there
Steve Pisarkewiscz....bust
Kelly Stouffer....bust
Tim Rosenbach...bust
Matt Leinert....bust
(we may have a winner for the "team with the most busts in history" award with our first entry)
San Francisco 49ers
Earl Morrall...solid pick
John Brodie...solid pick
Billy Kilmer...solid pick
Steve Spurrier....a bust
Jim Druckenmiller.....bust
Alex Smith....average pick
Seattle Seahawks
Dan McGwire....bust
Rick Mirer...bust.
Cleveland/LA/St. Louis Rams
Bobby Thomason...bust
Billy Wade....average
Roman Gabriel...solid pick
Bill Munson...average
Sam Bradford.....questionable at this point
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Here is the AFC South:
New Orleans Saints:
Archie Manning....solid pick
Dave Wilson....bust
Carolina Panthers:
Kerry Collins...solid pick
Cam Newton....solid pick so far
Atlanta Falcons:
Randy Johnson....bust
Steve Bartkowski...solid pick
Chris Miller...average
Michael Vick....actually solid pick for them...until
Matt Ryan...solid pick so far
Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Doug Williams....average to above
Steve Young...HOF...but not for them
Vinny Testaverde.....solid pick
Trent Dilfer...average
Josh Freeman... has to be a bust
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Can't wait to see Baltimore...if you include the Baltimore Colts history along with the Ravens it's almost as bad, like drafting Elway for him not to play
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Here are the picks by teams from the NFC North:
Detroit Lions
Otto Graham HOF, but not for them
YA Tittle HOF, but not for them
John Rauch....bust
John Hadl....solid pick...but not for them
Pete Beathard....bust
Greg Landry...solid pick
Chuck Long...bust
Andre Ware...bust
Joey Harrington...bust
Matt Stafford...solid pick so far
Green Bay Packers
Ernie Case...bust
Stan Heath...bust
Babe Parilli...solid pick, but not for them
Randy Duncan...bust
Don Horn...bust
Jerry Tagge...bust
Rich Campbell...bust
Aaron Rodgers...HOF talent
( for a team with so many busts they have recovered well)
Minnesota Vikings
Tommy Kramer...solid pick
Daunte Culpepper...solid pick
Christian Ponder...bust
Teddy Twatwater....too soon to tell
Chicago Bears
Sid Luckman HOF
Frankie Albert...bust
Johnny Lujack...bust
Bobby Layne HOF, but not for them
Bob Williams...bust
Jim McMahon...solid pick
Jim Harbaugh...solid pick
Cade McNown...bust
Rex Grossman....below average
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Here are the QBs for the NFC East:
Dallas Cowboys:
Craig Morton...solid pick
Steve Walsh...bust
Troy Aikman...HOF
New York Giants:
Travis Tidwill...bust
Lee Grosscup....bust
Phil Simms....solid pick
Dave Brown...bust
Phillip Rivers....solid pick traded for solid pick Eli
Washington Redskins
Sammy Baugh...HOF
Jim Hardy...bust
Harry Gilmer...bust
Jack Scarbath...bust
Ralph Giuliemi...bust
Don Allard...bust
Richie Lucas...bust
Norm Snead...solid pick
Heath Shuler...bust
Patrick Ramsey...bust
Jason Campbell....average
Robert Griffin III....questionable
(Redskins may equal or surpass Cards with their history of busts)
Philadelphia Eagles
Davey O'Brien...bust
Frank Tripucka...bust
John Reaves...bust
Donovan McNabb....solid pick
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Can't wait to see Baltimore...if you include the Baltimore Colts history along with the Ravens it's almost as bad, like drafting Elway for him not to play
Can't do that because the Baltimore colts franchise is in IndianaCan't wait to see Baltimore...if you include the Baltimore Colts history along with the Ravens it's almost as bad, like drafting Elway for him not to play
Just like you'd group the oilers with the titans. Just because they're the same franchises just different zip codes.
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youre missing a lot of good QBs in those lists that were drafted in the 1st.. escpecially more recent ones
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Here are the 1st round QB draft choices for the teams of the AFC West:
Denver Broncos:
Tommy Maddox...bust
Jay Cutler....questionable
Tim Tebow...bust
Kansas City Chiefs:
Pete Beathard...bust
Steve Fuller...bust
Todd Blackledge...bust
(note....Chiefs have not take a 1st round QB in over 30 years...they were so burnt apparently)
Oakland Raiders:
Roman Gabriel...solid pick...but not for them
Marc Wilson...average
Todd Marinovich...bust
Jamarcus Russell...bust
San Diego Chargers
Marty Domres...bust
Ryan Leaf...bust
Eli Manning....traded for Rivers, both solid picks
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Here are the picks of the teams from the AFC South:
Houston Oiler/Tennessee Titans
Dan Pastorini...solid pick
Jim Everett...solid pick
Steve McNair...solid pick
Vince Young...bust
Jake Locker....looking like a bust
Indianapolis/Baltimore Colts:
Cotton Davidson...bust
George Shaw...bust
Bert Jones....solid pick
Art Schlichter...bust
John Elway...HOF...but not for them
Jeff George....uncatagorizable, but not a bust if career production counts
Peyton Manning...HOF talent
Andrew Luck....solid so far
Jacksonville Jaguars:
Byron Leftwich...average
Blaine Gabbert...bust
Blake Bortles....too soon
Houston Texans
David Carr average (his career production stats are better than a lot of QBs....so no, I do not count him as a bust)
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Here are the 1st round QB picks of the teams of the AFC East:
Buffalo Bills
Jim Kelly...HOF
JP Losman...bust
EJ Manuel...questionable so far
Miami Dolphins
Rick Norton...bust
Bob Griese...HOF
Dan Marino...HOF
Ryan Tannehill....fair, so far
New York Jets:
Sandy Stephens...bust
Joe Namath....HOF
Richard Todd...average
Ken O'Brien...solid pick
Ken Hobart....bust
Chad Pennington...solid pick
Mark Sanchez....average so far
New England Patriots:
Jack Concannon...below average
Jim Plunkett....solid pick....but not for them
Tony Eason...average
Drew Bledsoe...solid pick
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Finally, here are the 1st round picks for the teams of the AFC North:
Baltimore Ravens:
Kyle Boller...bust
Joe Flacco....solid pick
Cincinnati Bengals:
Greg Cook...injury bust
Clint Longley...bust
Jack Thompson...bust
Wayne Peace...bust
David Klinger...bust
Akili Smith....bust
Carson Palmer....solid pick
(Bengals in running for worst history)
Cleveland Browns
Harry Agannis...bust
Bobby Garrett...bust
Mike Phipps....I want to say bust....but his career stats say average at best....go with below average
Bernie Kosar....solid pick
Tim Couch....below average
Brady Quinn....bust
Brandon Weeden...bust
Johnny Manziel....jury out.
Pittsburgh Steelers:
Ted Marchibroda...bust
Len Dawson...HOF, but not for them
Terry Bradshaw...HOF
Mark Malone...below average
Ben Roethlisberger...HOF potential
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A few factoids to glean from all this:
Seattle has the highest "bust" pct at 100% with 2 for two...Mirer/McGwire.....but, they have a small sample:
The teams with the really poor track record are:
the Bengals.....6 out of 7 busts
the Cardinals...6 out of 8 busts
the Packers...6 out of 8 busts
The Redskins....8 or 9 (if you count RGIII)....out of 12.
The Pats have avoided having any complete bust. They are 0 for 4 in my estimation.
The best at drafting first round HOF talent? The Steelers. Of 5 first round picks, 3 are HOF Caliber: Dawson/Bradshaw/BR.
Next is the Dolphins with 50% HOF rate: 2 out of 4: Griese/Marino.
The Redskins have drafted the most QBs in the first round in history with 12, the Lions have taken 10, and the Bears have taken 9. Longevity helps.
Also: 15 teams have a "bust" rate of 50% or better of their first round QBs picks. (Including Browns who are 4 busts out of 8 picks....including JFF).
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Can't wait to see Baltimore...if you include the Baltimore Colts history along with the Ravens it's almost as bad, like drafting Elway for him not to play
Can't wait to see Baltimore...if you include the Baltimore Colts history along with the Ravens it's almost as bad, like drafting Elway for him not to play
I counted the Colts as having a decent rate. Only 3 out of 8 were busts. But the success rate includes Elway/Peyton/Luck...none of whom played in Baltimore. Baltimore Colts best choice was Bert Jones....and Flacco for Ravens.
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@everlastingxxx said:
Walsh was a supplemental pick. Dallas traded Walsh to the New Orleans Saints for first, third and second round draft choices. According to Wiki, he had an 11 year career.
I consider him pretty much a bust. For a long career he had very little production compared to others with similar careers At best you would say he was below average.
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youre missing a lot of good QBs in those lists that were drafted in the 1st.. escpecially more recent ones
youre missing a lot of good QBs in those lists that were drafted in the 1st.. escpecially more recent ones
I didn't miss a single QB drafted in the first round......everyone that was drafted since 1936 is listed. Maybe I just hadn't gotten around to everyone when you posted. Is premature ejaculation usually a problem for you?
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How awesome is it (for the Colts) that they'll have only two starting QBs in a 30 year span? I'd venture to guess that Luck will be there for a good portion of his career.
Wish we had that.
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How awesome is it (for the Colts) that they'll have only two starting QBs in a 30 year span? I'd venture to guess that Luck will be there for a good portion of his career.
Wish we had that.
How awesome is it (for the Colts) that they'll have only two starting QBs in a 30 year span? I'd venture to guess that Luck will be there for a good portion of his career.
Wish we had that.
What about the guy that started for them against the Titans when Peyton was healthy.....and a win by them would put the Browns in the playoffs, but they sat Peyton and ton of other starters and gave a game away vs. Tits.
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@everlastingxxx said:
He was actually a pretty good QB. His just didnt have a strong enough arm. I thought it was amazing the Cowboys got 3 draft picks for him. BTW, nice job on the break downs.
Walsh did very little in his long career. I guess maybe he was not a complete bust. Below average. He was essentially a career backup....that is about the sum and substance of him.
Looking at the PFR's "Career Production Average" he got a score of 22 for his entire 11 year career.
Compare say, Tim Couch. In only 5 years he had a 32 score.
Or, let's compare him to his fellow Miami Fla. QB brethren:
Jim Kelly had a 103 CA in 11 years
Vinny had a 97 in 15 years
Bernie had a 67 in just 7 years
Walsh is next with that 22 score in his 11 years.
George Mira had a 10 score.
Funny that a lot of people think of Miami, Fla. as the "school of quarterbacks"....but in reality, that perception is based on just 3 people: Kelly, Bernie, Vinny......all of whom played on that team at the same time, Kelly as a senior, Bernie and Vinny as freshmen. Walsh was a very minor contributor to that theory....and Gino Torretta, though he won the Heisman is a big fat -0- score in the NFL CA. Even Ken Dorsey....who had only a 1 was better than Torretta.
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Think we can safely say EJ Manuel is a bust now...
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In terms of which schools have produced the best QBs, I can only say that it is well know that Ohio St. is not one of them.
The best "QB" that came out of OSU, may not have been a QB much at all: Tom Matte......in fact he only threw 42 career passes.....but he did make a famous appearance at QB in a postseason game against the Packers.
No, he was a runner, with about 5000 career rush yards, and a receiver....with about 3000 career receiving yards.
The best OSU QB pro was Mike Tomcsak with a 43 CA followed by Kent Graham
Since it is Michigan week I will include them too. Michigan has a far better record at producing NFL QBs.
Obviously, Mr. Brady is one of the best of all time he has a 145 CA
Jim Harbaugh has a 78 CA
Brian Griese has a 53
Elvis Grbac has a 46
(these are all higher than OSU's best...Tomscak)
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