A case for Chris Simms
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And a very capable backup if he doesn't beat Quinn out. Was a warrior with the Bucs, sat for two years after blowing out his spleen. I think he was a victim of the complexity of Gruden's schemes and obscenely long terminology coming from Texas's simple terminology. When he got the chance lead the Bucs to the playoffs and is only in his 6th year.....total upside and if quinn turns out to be good....nice trade bait in couple years! Leftwich's delivery is horrendously long and he is SLOW! I think Simms is the very best backup out there!
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he would only come if he knows he can compete for starting job, he is already the back up cause I don't think Collins will be staying around.
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And a very capable backup if he doesn't beat Quinn out. Was a warrior with the Bucs, sat for two years after blowing out his spleen. I think he was a victim of the complexity of Gruden's schemes and obscenely long terminology coming from Texas's simple terminology. When he got the chance lead the Bucs to the playoffs and is only in his 6th year.....total upside and if quinn turns out to be good....nice trade bait in couple years! Leftwich's delivery is horrendously long and he is SLOW! I think Simms is the very best backup out there!
And a very capable backup if he doesn't beat Quinn out.
If a career back up that couldn't beat out Brad Johnson or Bruce Gradkowski or Brian Greise, could come in to Cleveland and beat out Quinn, you may as well cut Quinn now.
Simms had a decent year once starting 10 games after Johnson got hurt but looked so horrible the next year that was benched again after two games. Even at Texas, He wasn't what he was billed as. His freshman year he suppose to push Major Applewhite for a starting job but it didn't happen. His sophomore year he again was expcted to start in front of Applewhite and did get some playing time but Applewhite was the starter. In 2.5 years of starting for that simple Texas terminology, Simms threw 31 INT's!
He's famous for an inaccurate arm and for an inability to read defenses.
C'mon Solon, do you seriously think he could come in here and beat Quinn out? There isn't a snowball's chance in hell of that happening.
I'm not sure why you think the guy is a quality QB. There are reasons he was a third round pick and has never been able to start in the NFL.
He may be ok as a backup...but if we had to depend on this guy being the starter, The Browns are in serious trouble.
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And a very capable backup if he doesn't beat Quinn out.
If a career back up that couldn't beat out Brad Johnson or Bruce Gradkowski or Brian Greise, could come in to Cleveland and beat out Quinn, you may as well cut Quinn now.
Simms had a decent year once starting 10 games after Johnson got hurt but looked so horrible the next year that was benched again after two games. Even at Texas, He wasn't what he was billed as. His freshman year he suppose to push Major Applewhite for a starting job but it didn't happen. His sophomore year he again was expcted to start in front of Applewhite and did get some playing time but Applewhite was the starter. In 2.5 years of starting for that simple Texas terminology, Simms threw 31 INT's!
He's famous for an inaccurate arm and for an inability to read defenses.
C'mon Solon, do you seriously think he could come in here and beat Quinn out? There isn't a snowball's chance in hell of that happening.
I'm not sure why you think the guy is a quality QB. There are reasons he was a third round pick and has never been able to start in the NFL.
He may be ok as a backup...but if we had to depend on this guy being the starter, The Browns are in serious trouble.
oldcow1945 said:
If a career back up that couldn't beat out Brad Johnson or Bruce Gradkowski or Brian Greise, could come in to Cleveland and beat out Quinn, you may as well cut Quinn now.
Hey d bag....He was the starter until he freakin RUPTURED his spleen for pete's sake! What planet are you on!
C'mon Solon, do you seriously think he could come in here and beat Quinn out? There isn't a snowball's chance in hell of that happening.
I'm not sure why you think the guy is a quality QB.
Try reading again!!!! Did I say he could beat out quinn??? I explained why I thought he could be good....geesh!!! He is the best back-up out there IMO....no one close with prime ahead of him!!!
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And a very capable backup if he doesn't beat Quinn out. Was a warrior with the Bucs, sat for two years after blowing out his spleen. I think he was a victim of the complexity of Gruden's schemes and obscenely long terminology coming from Texas's simple terminology. When he got the chance lead the Bucs to the playoffs and is only in his 6th year.....total upside and if quinn turns out to be good....nice trade bait in couple years! Leftwich's delivery is horrendously long and he is SLOW! I think Simms is the very best backup out there!
And a very capable backup if he doesn't beat Quinn out. Was a warrior with the Bucs, sat for two years after blowing out his spleen. I think he was a victim of the complexity of Gruden's schemes and obscenely long terminology coming from Texas's simple terminology. When he got the chance lead the Bucs to the playoffs and is only in his 6th year.....total upside and if quinn turns out to be good....nice trade bait in couple years! Leftwich's delivery is horrendously long and he is SLOW! I think Simms is the very best backup out there!
Chris Simms played at Texas before the terminology was simplified. He couldn't beat out the Major and then was GIVEN the starting job. He made a career for Roy Williams of Oklahoma with the "Superman Play". He finally imploded with four turnovers in the Big 12 Championship game and Major came in and rallied the team running out of time at the end. Major then followed it up with a record 473 yard, 4 TD performance in the Holiday Bowl.
Make no mistake about it. Chris Simms has been over-rated since he was in diapers (and yes, I did see every game he played in Austin). I do, however, applaud him for some growth as a pro and the toughness he showed when he ruptured his spleen but splenectomy doesn't make you an NFL QB.
I have to rest at the bottom line however and that is that this guy couldn't beat out Bruce Gradkowski and Brian Griese.
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oldcow1945 said:
If a career back up that couldn't beat out Brad Johnson or Bruce Gradkowski or Brian Greise, could come in to Cleveland and beat out Quinn, you may as well cut Quinn now.
Hey d bag....He was the starter until he freakin RUPTURED his spleen for pete's sake! What planet are you on!
C'mon Solon, do you seriously think he could come in here and beat Quinn out? There isn't a snowball's chance in hell of that happening.
I'm not sure why you think the guy is a quality QB.
Try reading again!!!! Did I say he could beat out quinn??? I explained why I thought he could be good....geesh!!! He is the best back-up out there IMO....no one close with prime ahead of him!!!
Hey d bag.
Hey d bag?
Well, I see having a debate with Solon is no longer worth my while.
There is nothing wrong with disagreeing. But it's obvious you can't do it without making it personal. Never did I once attack you personally. Only with the idea of Simms beating out Quinn for the starting job.
It doesn't take long for a lot of people to show what kind of person they are.
The reason I love this board is the intelligence is higher than so many boards. The guys and girls like you are few and far between. But you sir, are an exception.
When I say he was benched after the second game, I meant in totality. I meant he left and was never back again. Never off the bench to start again....Which would never happen with a true starter unless it's a Tom brady situation. TB never had a QB and even after Simms healed they wanted no part of him.
None the less, You said Simms would be a guy that may even beat Quinn out....I think I read it well. As I said before, If that happens you may as well cut Quinn now.
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@hiwaygal said:
ummm...from your original post:Sure seems to me that you implied he could.
You obviously missed the thread stating as competition to Quinn....If he can't beat out Quinn great...he'll be good trade bait later...title= A case for Chriss Simms as competition for Quinn...do you see anywhere in the thread where I state Simms will beat out Quinn??? NO!
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Hey d bag.
Hey d bag?
Well, I see having a debate with Solon is no longer worth my while.
There is nothing wrong with disagreeing. But it's obvious you can't do it without making it personal. Never did I once attack you personally. Only with the idea of Simms beating out Quinn for the starting job.
It doesn't take long for a lot of people to show what kind of person they are.
The reason I love this board is the intelligence is higher than so many boards. The guys and girls like you are few and far between. But you sir, are an exception.
When I say he was benched after the second game, I meant in totality. I meant he left and was never back again. Never off the bench to start again....Which would never happen with a true starter unless it's a Tom brady situation. TB never had a QB and even after Simms healed they wanted no part of him.
None the less, You said Simms would be a guy that may even beat Quinn out....I think I read it well. As I said before, If that happens you may as well cut Quinn now.
oldcow1945 said:
Hey d bag?Well, I see having a debate with Solon is no longer worth my while.
There is nothing wrong with disagreeing. But it's obvious you can't do it without making it personal. Never did I once attack you personally. Only with the idea of Simms beating out Quinn for the starting job.
It doesn't take long for a lot of people to show what kind of person they are.
The reason I love this board is the intelligence is higher than so many boards. The guys and girls like you are few and far between. But you sir, are an exception.
When I say he was benched after the second game, I meant in totality. I meant he left and was never back again. Never off the bench to start again....Which would never happen with a true starter unless it's a Tom brady situation. TB never had a QB and even after Simms healed they wanted no part of him.
None the less, You said Simms would be a guy that may even beat Quinn out....I think I read it well. As I said before, If that happens you may as well cut Quinn now.
You didn't debate..... you threw completely false info about him not beating out other QB's when he in FACT was the starter and got them to the playoffs as a starter then busted his spleen and hasn't played since! What debate?
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Solon...You questioned Quinns ability to hang on to the job if Simms came aboard when you said if he didn't beat out Quinn.
Most people here know Quinn is the best ever and his farts smell like brownies in the oven, so to even throw out such a statement will keep you out of the board inner circle.
I know where you were coming from....don't worry about it.
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@shepwrite said:
Suggesting that Simms could beat out Quinn is clearly throwing in the towel on your first round franchise quarterback before he even gets a chance to prove himself, right? Anybody encouraged by that notion?You're up bright and early....don't usually see you here until around 10.....errr...7 am where you live.
I don't think he was really saying that and throwing a towel on anything.
If anything all it says is Quinn still has question marks...and I don't think it unfair to pose that possibility.
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I like Boston...been there for many meetings over the years...though it can be a bit cold this time of year.
I won't argue the commit deal...and touched on that in another thread you probably just read.
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@shepwrite said:
I'm in Boston this week. Beautiful day, actually.Nah, it's fackin' cold.
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@shepwrite said:
Suggesting that Simms could beat out Quinn is clearly throwing in the towel on your first round franchise quarterback before he even gets a chance to prove himself, right? Anybody encouraged by that notion?Not necessarily...presumably Quinn could, theoretically, be beaten out. I mean, it might take getting Jesus to come out of retirement, but there is a possibility.
The Browns have cut Dorsey, and will probably trade Anderson. Although I hate going out on a limb, I would put the odds at about 55-60% that they look to sign or trade for another QB on the roster before the season starts. I know, it's like ordering a hamburger when the waiter's aready bringing you a filet mignon, but a lot of teams like to have two QBs on the roster (even though none of them have Quinn, so it's a bit of an unfair comparison).
I like the idea of bringing in a #2 QB who could be a #1--even if that ain't Simms. Otherwise, are you suggesting that the Browns bring in a #2 who sucks, so as not to admit even the possibility that they might need him? Who would that be? Bring Dorsey back? Mike Pagel? Stephen Hawking?
Dennis
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Stephen Hawking?
LOL....he would understand the playbook for sure....though he might have a hard time calling out plays and wouldn't be very mobile.
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Yeah, you're right; it's not that bad.
[resuming morning crankiness]
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Stephen Hawking?
LOL....he would understand the playbook for sure....though he might have a hard time calling out plays and wouldn't be very mobile.
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He would be a great backup.
If Quinn implodes for some reason he would be servicable as a starter until smoeone else could be found. They guy played half a game with a ruptured spleen... and almost pulled out a comeback victory against the Panthers.
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He would be a great backup.
If Quinn implodes for some reason he would be servicable as a starter until smoeone else could be found. They guy played half a game with a ruptured spleen... and almost pulled out a comeback victory against the Panthers.
He would be a great backup.
If Quinn implodes for some reason he would be servicable as a starter until smoeone else could be found. They guy played half a game with a ruptured spleen... and almost pulled out a comeback victory against the Panthers.
All i'M SAYING IS.... i WANT A CAPABLE BACKUP...I f I have to watch the talent level of Dorsey ever again will be too soon...I'm not sold on Quinn like most on this board....the dude has zero Nfl resume to date...3 games and quarter won't get you a cup of coffee...He may turn out great and all for it... but what happens if he gets hurt or just plain sheots the bed??? Gimmie Simms, hell if you twist hard enough I'll take grossman.
hate to say it to all you...pink shirt #10 wearer's..................
Our best move may even be keeping DA
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Here are two QB's career stats in the NFL in their three most active years:
QB A: 2004: 5 games, 42-73 (57.5%), 467 yards, 1 TD, 3 INT (64.1 QB Rating)
2005: 11 games, 191-313 (61.0%), 2,035 yards, 10 TD, 7 INT (81.4 QB Rating)
2006: 3 games, 58-106 (54.7%), 585 yards, 1 TD, 7 INT (46.3 QB Rating)
Career Stats: 19 games 291-492 (59.1%), 3,087 yards, 12 TD, 17 INT (71.2 QB Rating)
QB B: 2006: 5 games, 66-117 (56.4%), 793 yards, 5 TD, 8 INT (63.1 QB Rating)
2007: 16 games, 298-527 (56.5%), 3787 yards, 29 TD, 19 INT (82.5 QB Rating)
2008: 10 games, 142-283 (50.2%), 1615 yards, 9 TD, 8 INT (66.5 QB Rating)
Career Stats: 31 games, 506-927 (54.6%), 43 TD, 35 INT (75.1 QB Rating)
QB A is Chris Simms. QB B is Derek Anderson.
So, aside from the fact that he got hurt once and kept playing, what about Simms' career makes him an appealing candidate?
Dennis
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AS backup what doesn't? He's taken his team to the playoffs, has pedigree, has a great mentor, knows what it takes , is young with good upside. who do you want dency? whose your Choice ? want to keep DA? you want leftwich? How about Kyle Boller?
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