so where do we begin....?
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manziel is rg3 type. do not compare him to russel Wilson.that kid can stayin the pocket and throw like a vet. Wilson is far above manziel.
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If you was to see how bad the media hated hoyer listen to the talking heads say the wr's and the line had everything to do with it.
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manziel is rg3 type. do not compare him to russel Wilson.that kid can stayin the pocket and throw like a vet. Wilson is far above manziel.
manziel is rg3 type. do not compare him to russel Wilson.that kid can stayin the pocket and throw like a vet. Wilson is far above manziel.
Not even fair to compare him to RGIII. He was setting the league on fire when he was a rookie, even in his first start when he led the Redskins to a blowout of the Saints in the Superdome if I'm not mistaken.
The only thing Manzidiot did well today was not getting stuck under the flag before the game and he didn't shit his pants.
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Here's the thing hoyer was never given a chance. Between espn all the talking head Haslem and the Johnny fan boys he was set up to fall. All he did was win and make the team relevant. And yes he has struggled but what happened today was sad. And because hoyer is not a big flashy personality he was ran out of the position. If today proves anything hoyer was carrying the team. Best thing for them now get rid of the distraction ( Johnny) and put pieces around hoyer and wait for the next great one, but for now hoyer can get us places and might make a lot of noise.
1. Just because Johnny Manziel sucked balls today doesn't mean Hoyer didn't have a chance. Hoyer blew it.
2. No he didn't. He cost us the Buffalo and Indy game.
3. No he won't, he's gone in the offseason.
I can agree Hoyer blew it the last few weeks. Given that terminology though if Hoyer blew it Manziel served up a suckfest orgy. He sucked so much he is on protein overload. I can't really isolate one thing he did badly because he did nothing. If he had one tenth of the talent you think he had he surely could have done something. I hope next week or even year you can throw this post in my face I really do. Right now though I see a guy who can't possibly compete. He couldn't even scramble and show us that great mobility. He sucked.1. Just because Johnny Manziel sucked balls today doesn't mean Hoyer didn't have a chance. Hoyer blew it.
2. No he didn't. He cost us the Buffalo and Indy game.
3. No he won't, he's gone in the offseason.
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1. Just because Johnny Manziel sucked balls today doesn't mean Hoyer didn't have a chance. Hoyer blew it.
2. No he didn't. He cost us the Buffalo and Indy game.
3. No he won't, he's gone in the offseason.
I agree with numbers 1 and 2. I'd add that Hoyer's very below average play cost us the Jacksonville game as well. Not so sure about #3 though. 2 more shit shows that that one today out of Manzidiot and the Browns might be forced to keep Hoyer around.
Not so sure about #3 though. 2 more shit shows that that one today out of Manzidiot and the Browns might be forced to keep Hoyer around.
Yup... BH could well have gotten a raise today.
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Yup... BH could well have gotten a raise today.
This was my thinking. Even if Manziel gets the next two starts and sucks, you have one rookie QB on the cheap and Hoyer who will be had for a lot less now that he's benched.
Those writing off BH being involved in the Browns future might be terribly mistaken.
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Ill be honest I like hoyer I hate Johnny and everything he stands for this give me gratification for nothing generation. hoyer might take use places given a real chance and maybe not but this I know manziel is nothing but a bust at best, but hoyer can bridge the gap. And remember hoyer faced a better team last week and played better by far with the same team. But this weak also proved that our receivers are not getting the job done.
Ill be honest I like hoyer I hate Johnny and everything he stands for this give me gratification for nothing generation. hoyer might take use places given a real chance and maybe not but this I know manziel is nothing but a bust at best, but hoyer can bridge the gap. And remember hoyer faced a better team last week and played better by far with the same team. But this weak also proved that our receivers are not getting the job done.
Hoyer played like a complete asshole last week and that's why we're in this predicament. He stunk of shit. Also he had a LOT of help from a defense that didn't show up today.
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Crow scored
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Did anyone else feel like we abandoned the run too soon today? I mean we only had 38 offensive plays, but we gotta run the ball under center a lot more. That pistol bullshit is not working whatsoever.
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Did anyone else feel like we abandoned the run too soon today? I mean we only had 38 offensive plays, but we gotta run the ball under center a lot more. That pistol bullshit is not working whatsoever.
Did anyone else feel like we abandoned the run too soon today? I mean we only had 38 offensive plays, but we gotta run the ball under center a lot more. That pistol bullshit is not working whatsoever.
yup. I also wish they would have waited to get rid of Tate till the offseason. I think both West and Crow are dinged slightly. I agree you can't keep all 3 long term but Tate must have been some kind of asshole to cut him and get nothing for him.
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Did anyone else feel like we abandoned the run too soon today? I mean we only had 38 offensive plays, but we gotta run the ball under center a lot more. That pistol bullshit is not working whatsoever.
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manziel is rg3 type. do not compare him to russel Wilson.that kid can stayin the pocket and throw like a vet. Wilson is far above manziel.
Not even fair to compare him to RGIII. He was setting the league on fire when he was a rookie, even in his first start when he led the Redskins to a blowout of the Saints in the Superdome if I'm not mistaken.
The only thing Manzidiot did well today was not getting stuck under the flag before the game and he didn't shit his pants.
Plus there was the whole, fallin' behind thang...
The only thing Manzidiot did well today was not getting stuck under the flag before the game...
Is he tall enough to get stuck?
Did anyone else feel like we abandoned the run too soon today? I mean we only had 38 offensive plays, but we gotta run the ball under center a lot more. That pistol bullshit is not working whatsoever.
Run? No. But totally agree on the Pistol.
While I thought it would be the big formation difference between the Hoyer game plan and JM's, I also thought it would be more effective under JM. Clearly it was not.
I think both West and Crow are dinged slightly.
Been thinking this as well... particularly about Crow. Since he was listed as having a knee issue, he hasn't had a good average.
Yesterday West looked like he was running the better of the two, then he disappeared.
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You can say Hoyer was and was never given a chance.
Hoyer was given a chance by the front office and coaching staff.
Hoyer WAS NOT given a chance by the "gotta have a qb controversy in Cleveland because that's all we know how to write about" local media and every fan of that 1st round qb smell.
He came in, won games, played with a contract situation looming over his head, played with media saying it's time for Manziel every time he made a mistake, played with ungrateful assed fans calling into sports talk radio stations and tv programs saying the best thing for this team would be Hoyer getting injured for a couple of games and us seeing what we had in Manziel.
It's damn near impossible to keep your head on straight when you're THE LOCAL BOY and hearing how your own want to see you injured just to get a glimpse of Johnny Frodo.
To make matters worse, he's got to deal with losing his probowl center and tightend! If Johnny tanked mid season those would have been the first 2 excuses out there!
Those of you that remember me should know I've always been an advocate of how important the te is to a qb and running game because the te is a safety outlet for the qb, and a great te will pull a safety for coverage helping your wr or get an extra lb or a lb gets yanked for another corner or safety softening up the middle for your running game, and in the RARE cases, get the best corner on the D REALLY helping your other wrs.
Wow!
This state is so freaking ignorant we deserve the crap we get.
Just because the Pro Football Hall of Fame is located here doesn't make us or our media smarter then any of the coaches or front offices.
3 seasons until our new head coach, let's hope they get it right this time. -
You can say Hoyer was and was never given a chance.
Hoyer was given a chance by the front office and coaching staff.
Hoyer WAS NOT given a chance by the "gotta have a qb controversy in Cleveland because that's all we know how to write about" local media and every fan of that 1st round qb smell.
He came in, won games, played with a contract situation looming over his head, played with media saying it's time for Manziel every time he made a mistake, played with ungrateful assed fans calling into sports talk radio stations and tv programs saying the best thing for this team would be Hoyer getting injured for a couple of games and us seeing what we had in Manziel.
It's damn near impossible to keep your head on straight when you're THE LOCAL BOY and hearing how your own want to see you injured just to get a glimpse of Johnny Frodo.
To make matters worse, he's got to deal with losing his probowl center and tightend! If Johnny tanked mid season those would have been the first 2 excuses out there!
Those of you that remember me should know I've always been an advocate of how important the te is to a qb and running game because the te is a safety outlet for the qb, and a great te will pull a safety for coverage helping your wr or get an extra lb or a lb gets yanked for another corner or safety softening up the middle for your running game, and in the RARE cases, get the best corner on the D REALLY helping your other wrs.
Wow!
This state is so freaking ignorant we deserve the crap we get.
Just because the Pro Football Hall of Fame is located here doesn't make us or our media smarter then any of the coaches or front offices.
He came in, won games, played with a contract situation looming over his head, played with media saying it's time for Manziel every time he made a mistake, played with ungrateful assed fans calling into sports talk radio stations and tv programs saying the best thing for this team would be Hoyer getting injured for a couple of games and us seeing what we had in Manziel.
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Welcome to the NFL.
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Yup... BH could well have gotten a raise today.
This was my thinking. Even if Manziel gets the next two starts and sucks, you have one rookie QB on the cheap and Hoyer who will be had for a lot less now that he's benched.
Those writing off BH being involved in the Browns future might be terribly mistaken.
This was my thinking. Even if Manziel gets the next two starts and sucks, you have one rookie QB on the cheap and Hoyer who will be had for a lot less now that he's benched.
Those writing off BH being involved in the Browns future might be terribly mistaken.
Oh I have a feeling Hoyer will be with the Browns next year. No way that he cashes in with a large payday in free agency after his performance down the stretch.
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You can say Hoyer was and was never given a chance.
Hoyer was given a chance by the front office and coaching staff.
Hoyer WAS NOT given a chance by the "gotta have a qb controversy in Cleveland because that's all we know how to write about" local media and every fan of that 1st round qb smell.
He came in, won games, played with a contract situation looming over his head, played with media saying it's time for Manziel every time he made a mistake, played with ungrateful assed fans calling into sports talk radio stations and tv programs saying the best thing for this team would be Hoyer getting injured for a couple of games and us seeing what we had in Manziel.
It's damn near impossible to keep your head on straight when you're THE LOCAL BOY and hearing how your own want to see you injured just to get a glimpse of Johnny Frodo.
To make matters worse, he's got to deal with losing his probowl center and tightend! If Johnny tanked mid season those would have been the first 2 excuses out there!
Those of you that remember me should know I've always been an advocate of how important the te is to a qb and running game because the te is a safety outlet for the qb, and a great te will pull a safety for coverage helping your wr or get an extra lb or a lb gets yanked for another corner or safety softening up the middle for your running game, and in the RARE cases, get the best corner on the D REALLY helping your other wrs.
Wow!
This state is so freaking ignorant we deserve the crap we get.
Just because the Pro Football Hall of Fame is located here doesn't make us or our media smarter then any of the coaches or front offices.
You can say Hoyer was and was never given a chance.
Hoyer was given a chance by the front office and coaching staff.
Hoyer WAS NOT given a chance by the "gotta have a qb controversy in Cleveland because that's all we know how to write about" local media and every fan of that 1st round qb smell.
He came in, won games, played with a contract situation looming over his head, played with media saying it's time for Manziel every time he made a mistake, played with ungrateful assed fans calling into sports talk radio stations and tv programs saying the best thing for this team would be Hoyer getting injured for a couple of games and us seeing what we had in Manziel.
It's damn near impossible to keep your head on straight when you're THE LOCAL BOY and hearing how your own want to see you injured just to get a glimpse of Johnny Frodo.
To make matters worse, he's got to deal with losing his probowl center and tightend! If Johnny tanked mid season those would have been the first 2 excuses out there!
Those of you that remember me should know I've always been an advocate of how important the te is to a qb and running game because the te is a safety outlet for the qb, and a great te will pull a safety for coverage helping your wr or get an extra lb or a lb gets yanked for another corner or safety softening up the middle for your running game, and in the RARE cases, get the best corner on the D REALLY helping your other wrs.
Wow!
This state is so freaking ignorant we deserve the crap we get.
Just because the Pro Football Hall of Fame is located here doesn't make us or our media smarter then any of the coaches or front offices
I dunno. Manziel didn't look anywhere close to being ready for the NFL. Problem is, at #22 overall you expect the guy to at least show he's a little ready. It's whatever, I expect him to play better the next 2 but I can't see him really figuring out how to play QB in the NFL in 1 or 2 weeks. I'd be a little more confident if he was able to figure out just ANYTHING the bengals defense was going to do. Also, he hasn't removed any doubt from the many who feared he couldn't play in the pocket.
What Hoyer has shown has been really good, for some reason he regressed on footwork and decision making though. A lot of phantom pressure since Mack went down.
Call me crazy and judgemental and hateful and spiteful, but I don't see Manziel performing well enough to guarantee himself the starting job next year. All he can do is prove me wrong...or right.
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You can say Hoyer was and was never given a chance.
Hoyer was given a chance by the front office and coaching staff.
Hoyer WAS NOT given a chance by the "gotta have a qb controversy in Cleveland because that's all we know how to write about" local media and every fan of that 1st round qb smell.
He came in, won games, played with a contract situation looming over his head, played with media saying it's time for Manziel every time he made a mistake, played with ungrateful assed fans calling into sports talk radio stations and tv programs saying the best thing for this team would be Hoyer getting injured for a couple of games and us seeing what we had in Manziel.
It's damn near impossible to keep your head on straight when you're THE LOCAL BOY and hearing how your own want to see you injured just to get a glimpse of Johnny Frodo.
To make matters worse, he's got to deal with losing his probowl center and tightend! If Johnny tanked mid season those would have been the first 2 excuses out there!
Those of you that remember me should know I've always been an advocate of how important the te is to a qb and running game because the te is a safety outlet for the qb, and a great te will pull a safety for coverage helping your wr or get an extra lb or a lb gets yanked for another corner or safety softening up the middle for your running game, and in the RARE cases, get the best corner on the D REALLY helping your other wrs.
Wow!
This state is so freaking ignorant we deserve the crap we get.
Just because the Pro Football Hall of Fame is located here doesn't make us or our media smarter then any of the coaches or front offices
I dunno. Manziel didn't look anywhere close to being ready for the NFL. Problem is, at #22 overall you expect the guy to at least show he's a little ready. It's whatever, I expect him to play better the next 2 but I can't see him really figuring out how to play QB in the NFL in 1 or 2 weeks. I'd be a little more confident if he was able to figure out just ANYTHING the bengals defense was going to do. Also, he hasn't removed any doubt from the many who feared he couldn't play in the pocket.
What Hoyer has shown has been really good, for some reason he regressed on footwork and decision making though. A lot of phantom pressure since Mack went down.
Call me crazy and judgemental and hateful and spiteful, but I don't see Manziel performing well enough to guarantee himself the starting job next year. All he can do is prove me wrong...or right.
I'd be a little more confident if he was able to figure out just ANYTHING the bengals defense was going to do. Also, he hasn't removed any doubt from the many who feared he couldn't play in the pocket.
This is how I feel.
There were some pretty specific issues with JFF coming out of college. Beyond the work ethic-playboy stuff, there were issues with footwork, understanding defenses, knowing when to throw and when to run, etc.
After 16 weeks of coaching, I was hoping some of that would be coached out of him and we would see some adjustments in his game. Isn't that why he was being held back? So he could "learn"? And I didnt see that.
I sure hope he looks better next week. Almost has too. But wonder if 1 extra week of coaching will change what 16 weeks didn't already change in the first place.
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You can say Hoyer was and was never given a chance.
Hoyer was given a chance by the front office and coaching staff.
Hoyer WAS NOT given a chance by the "gotta have a qb controversy in Cleveland because that's all we know how to write about" local media and every fan of that 1st round qb smell.
He came in, won games, played with a contract situation looming over his head, played with media saying it's time for Manziel every time he made a mistake, played with ungrateful assed fans calling into sports talk radio stations and tv programs saying the best thing for this team would be Hoyer getting injured for a couple of games and us seeing what we had in Manziel.
It's damn near impossible to keep your head on straight when you're THE LOCAL BOY and hearing how your own want to see you injured just to get a glimpse of Johnny Frodo.
To make matters worse, he's got to deal with losing his probowl center and tightend! If Johnny tanked mid season those would have been the first 2 excuses out there!
Those of you that remember me should know I've always been an advocate of how important the te is to a qb and running game because the te is a safety outlet for the qb, and a great te will pull a safety for coverage helping your wr or get an extra lb or a lb gets yanked for another corner or safety softening up the middle for your running game, and in the RARE cases, get the best corner on the D REALLY helping your other wrs.
Wow!
This state is so freaking ignorant we deserve the crap we get.
Just because the Pro Football Hall of Fame is located here doesn't make us or our media smarter then any of the coaches or front offices
I dunno. Manziel didn't look anywhere close to being ready for the NFL. Problem is, at #22 overall you expect the guy to at least show he's a little ready. It's whatever, I expect him to play better the next 2 but I can't see him really figuring out how to play QB in the NFL in 1 or 2 weeks. I'd be a little more confident if he was able to figure out just ANYTHING the bengals defense was going to do. Also, he hasn't removed any doubt from the many who feared he couldn't play in the pocket.
What Hoyer has shown has been really good, for some reason he regressed on footwork and decision making though. A lot of phantom pressure since Mack went down.
Call me crazy and judgemental and hateful and spiteful, but I don't see Manziel performing well enough to guarantee himself the starting job next year. All he can do is prove me wrong...or right.
Call me crazy and judgemental and hateful and spiteful, but I don't see Manziel performing well enough to guarantee himself the starting job next year.
All four? Gluttony is a sin ya know. Pick two and pass the rest...
Agree... At best JM is playing out the string to go into camp as the #1. But once in camp it's be the same as this year... a competition. If there is one thing that Pet has been firm on his entire rookie year, it's competition. I do not see that changing.
We now see how JM lost the 2014 TC competition. If he was this raw in Week 15, then just imagine what the staff saw in TC.
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So here's the question. Do you as Pettine and the staff admit you brought him in too soon and restart BH the rest of the games going back to the original plan? Or do you decide it's sink or swim as the rookie plays out the season and gets the 1's from day one next year?
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