The Pistol
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From what I remember we used pistol a lot more in the first few games. As the season went on with hoyer we used it less and less. My theory is that as the team was learning the offense (earlier in the year) they used a set that more basic plays are ran from. As the team progressed and learned it was used less. Switching to JF made us need to go back to a more basic and limited offense, hence more plays from the pistol. It is also JF strong formation, or is supposed to be at least.
Not sure how on or off this assessment may be, but its what I thought.
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Wish they would've ran the offense Hoyer ran. Seemed like everyone was off on offense. Timing and everything
Wish they would've ran the offense Hoyer ran. Seemed like everyone was off on offense. Timing and everything
I Totally agree. I will admit JM looked like shit and at times he looked way over whelmed. This is just my observation tho, the total offense looked like they were all confused, and not on the same page. I believe its because they went pistol and read option so much, the line and everyone else was not familiar in playing that style. So my blame is more on the staff that they played a style the O was not used to playing. Go back to the original style, and let JM scramble and ad-lib if needed. Just My 2 cents.
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Wish they would've ran the offense Hoyer ran. Seemed like everyone was off on offense. Timing and everything
Wish they would've ran the offense Hoyer ran. Seemed like everyone was off on offense. Timing and everything
Manziel never really played under center in college maybe that's part of it. Regardless running pistol every series didn't seem to help him.
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True, bb... but I had the impression that JM had more success under center. Certainly seemed like his play action while dropping had more impact than his keeps off the read from the Pistol.
Anyway looks like Leg gets the memory award...
After very early, impassioned affair with the pistol, we put it away for the most part except for a little flirting. Usually in situations where we were behind... Dawggie style?
Week-Pistols/Plays
01 - 21/67 - @PTG
02 - 12/75 - NO
03 - 6/62 -- BLT
05 - 5/78 -- @TN
06 - 1/59 -- PTG
07 - 8/76 -- @JAX
08 - 3/56 -- OAK
09 - 1/65 -- TB
10 - 1/77 -- @CIN
11 - 4/72 -- HOU
12 - 3/76 -- @ATL
13 - 3/70 -- @BUF
14 - 2/38 at the half vs. IND
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Complete Wks 14 & 15 to come... maybe tomorrow.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
True, bb... but I had the impression that JM had more success under center. Certainly seemed like his play action while dropping had more impact than his keeps off the read from the Pistol.
Anyway looks like Leg gets the memory award...
After very early, impassioned affair with the pistol, we put it away for the most part except for a little flirting. Usually in situations where we were behind... Dawggie style?
Week-Pistols/Plays
01 - 21/67 - @PTG
02 - 12/75 - NO
03 - 6/62 -- BLT
05 - 5/78 -- @TN
06 - 1/59 -- PTG
07 - 8/76 -- @JAX
08 - 3/56 -- OAK
09 - 1/65 -- TB
10 - 1/77 -- @CIN
11 - 4/72 -- HOU
12 - 3/76 -- @ATL
13 - 3/70 -- @BUF
14 - 2/38 at the half vs. IND
15 -
Complete Wks 14 & 15 to come... maybe tomorrow.
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Look ultimately it probably doesn't matter what offense the browns run with JF. Playmakers make plays....whether it's the pistol, read option, I, etc....
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Look ultimately it probably doesn't matter what offense the browns run with JF. Playmakers make plays....whether it's the pistol, read option, I, etc....
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Look ultimately it probably doesn't matter what offense the browns run with JF. Playmakers make plays....whether it's the pistol, read option, I, etc....
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Look ultimately it probably doesn't matter what offense the browns run with JF. Playmakers make plays....whether it's the pistol, read option, I, etc....
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@everlastingxxx said:
They need to work on it more. Just not enough reps changing the offense to something completely different. I think they will be better this week.
Wow way to go out on a limb
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Look ultimately it probably doesn't matter what offense the browns run with JF. Playmakers make plays....whether it's the pistol, read option, I, etc....
Look ultimately it probably doesn't matter what offense the browns run with JF. Playmakers make plays....whether it's the pistol, read option, I, etc....
Turn off your Xbox.
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True, bb... but I had the impression that JM had more success under center. Certainly seemed like his play action while dropping had more impact than his keeps off the read from the Pistol.
Anyway looks like Leg gets the memory award...
After very early, impassioned affair with the pistol, we put it away for the most part except for a little flirting. Usually in situations where we were behind... Dawggie style?
Week-Pistols/Plays
01 - 21/67 - @PTG
02 - 12/75 - NO
03 - 6/62 -- BLT
05 - 5/78 -- @TN
06 - 1/59 -- PTG
07 - 8/76 -- @JAX
08 - 3/56 -- OAK
09 - 1/65 -- TB
10 - 1/77 -- @CIN
11 - 4/72 -- HOU
12 - 3/76 -- @ATL
13 - 3/70 -- @BUF
14 - 2/38 at the half vs. IND
15 -
Complete Wks 14 & 15 to come... maybe tomorrow.
Week-Pistols/Plays
01 - 21/67 - @PTG
02 - 12/75 - NO
03 - 6/62 -- BLT
05 - 5/78 -- @TN
06 - 1/59 -- PTG
07 - 8/76 -- @JAX
08 - 3/56 -- OAK
09 - 1/65 -- TB
10 - 1/77 -- @CIN
11 - 4/72 -- HOU
12 - 3/76 -- @ATL
13 - 3/70 -- @BUF
14 - 2/38 at the half vs. IND
15 -
Complete Wks 14 & 15 to come... maybe tomorrow.
Curious..... is it tomorrow yet?
Haha.....appreciate all you do, so no rush....but still wondering....how many pistol formations last week????
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@everlastingxxx said:
They need to work on it more. Just not enough reps changing the offense to something completely different. I think they will be better this week.
I think it is a great way to get Manziel murdered.
I think it is a great way to get Manziel murdered.
It's also a good way to put interior lineman on IR.
GO BROWNS !
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Week-Pistols/Plays
01 - 21/67 - @PTG
02 - 12/75 - NO
03 - 6/62 -- BLT
05 - 5/78 -- @TN
06 - 1/59 -- PTG
07 - 8/76 -- @JAX
08 - 3/56 -- OAK
09 - 1/65 -- TB
10 - 1/77 -- @CIN
11 - 4/72 -- HOU
12 - 3/76 -- @ATL
13 - 3/70 -- @BUF
14 - 2/38 at the half vs. IND
15 -
Complete Wks 14 & 15 to come... maybe tomorrow.
Curious..... is it tomorrow yet?
Haha.....appreciate all you do, so no rush....but still wondering....how many pistol formations last week????
Curious..... is it tomorrow yet?
Haha.....appreciate all you do, so no rush....but still wondering....how many pistol formations last week????
I can send you a PM with my PayPal addy...
This past week, as you are likely now aware, our Pistol count was:
Week 15 22/42 vs. CIN ... Even added a "Full-House" pistol.
Also ran 2 in IND's 2nd half for a total of 4/64.
And Ever... I saw a grand total of 2 read-options vs. CIN.
The first JM kept after a gross misread, and the DE buried him.
The second was a near disaster as West bobbled the ball on his way to an 8-yard gain.
A few other Pistols had Read-option looks, but weren't. They were either predetermined hand-offs or PAP calls.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Curious..... is it tomorrow yet?
Haha.....appreciate all you do, so no rush....but still wondering....how many pistol formations last week????
I can send you a PM with my PayPal addy...
This past week, as you are likely now aware, our Pistol count was:
Week 15 22/42 vs. CIN ... Even added a "Full-House" pistol.
Also ran 2 in IND's 2nd half for a total of 4/64.
And Ever... I saw a grand total of 2 read-options vs. CIN.
The first JM kept after a gross misread, and the DE buried him.
The second was a near disaster as West bobbled the ball on his way to an 8-yard gain.
A few other Pistols had Read-option looks, but weren't. They were either predetermined hand-offs or PAP calls.
I can send you a PM with my PayPal addy...
This past week, as you are likely now aware, our Pistol count was:
Week 15 22/42 vs. CIN ... Even added a "Full-House" pistol.
Also ran 2 in IND's 2nd half for a total of 4/64.
And Ever... I saw a grand total of 2 read-options vs. CIN.
The first JM kept after a gross misread, and the DE buried him.
The second was a near disaster as West bobbled the ball on his way to an 8-yard gain.
A few other Pistols had Read-option looks, but weren't. They were either predetermined hand-offs or PAP calls.
Great thanks.....so compiled....
01 - 21/67 - @PTG
02 - 12/75 - NO
03 - 6/62 -- BLT
05 - 5/78 -- @TN
06 - 1/59 -- PTG
07 - 8/76 -- @JAX
08 - 3/56 -- OAK
09 - 1/65 -- TB
10 - 1/77 -- @CIN
11 - 4/72 -- HOU
12 - 3/76 -- @ATL
13 - 3/70 -- @BUF
14 - 4/64 -- @ Indy
15 - 22/42 -- @Cinn
Wow! Big difference.....
So, ima guess this is an attempt to "utilize" JFF's special skills? As opposed to asking him to perform more like a prototype pocket QB?
I know Ive heard many say we should adopt a special offensive system that highlights his strengths and all....but now maybe they're saying "why did we change things up for Johnny?"....I dunno...
So, this week do we go back to the Hoyer style offense and not use JFF's skills?....or do we stick with the JFF's Special offense and put him(and the team) in a difficult position because it's not what Hoyer had??
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I can send you a PM with my PayPal addy...
This past week, as you are likely now aware, our Pistol count was:
Week 15 22/42 vs. CIN ... Even added a "Full-House" pistol.
Also ran 2 in IND's 2nd half for a total of 4/64.
And Ever... I saw a grand total of 2 read-options vs. CIN.
The first JM kept after a gross misread, and the DE buried him.
The second was a near disaster as West bobbled the ball on his way to an 8-yard gain.
A few other Pistols had Read-option looks, but weren't. They were either predetermined hand-offs or PAP calls.
Great thanks.....so compiled....
01 - 21/67 - @PTG
02 - 12/75 - NO
03 - 6/62 -- BLT
05 - 5/78 -- @TN
06 - 1/59 -- PTG
07 - 8/76 -- @JAX
08 - 3/56 -- OAK
09 - 1/65 -- TB
10 - 1/77 -- @CIN
11 - 4/72 -- HOU
12 - 3/76 -- @ATL
13 - 3/70 -- @BUF
14 - 4/64 -- @ Indy
15 - 22/42 -- @Cinn
Wow! Big difference.....
So, ima guess this is an attempt to "utilize" JFF's special skills? As opposed to asking him to perform more like a prototype pocket QB?
I know Ive heard many say we should adopt a special offensive system that highlights his strengths and all....but now maybe they're saying "why did we change things up for Johnny?"....I dunno...
So, this week do we go back to the Hoyer style offense and not use JFF's skills?....or do we stick with the JFF's Special offense and put him(and the team) in a difficult position because it's not what Hoyer had??
Great thanks.....so compiled....
Except IND and CIN were home games...
The pistol has been neck and neck with the I as our least effective set all year. It's high use rate had to contribute to our poor showing vs. CIN. It certainly did nothing to showcase JM's skills, which is the only plausible reason to use it.
The Pistol is a significantly weaker platform for play-action and it absolutely eliminates bootlegs. Both have been staples of this offense all year. Sprinkle it in? Sure. Feature it? No....
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Great thanks.....so compiled....
Except IND and CIN were home games...
The pistol has been neck and neck with the I as our least effective set all year. It's high use rate had to contribute to our poor showing vs. CIN. It certainly did nothing to showcase JM's skills, which is the only plausible reason to use it.
The Pistol is a significantly weaker platform for play-action and it absolutely eliminates bootlegs. Both have been staples of this offense all year. Sprinkle it in? Sure. Feature it? No....
Except IND and CIN were home games...
The pistol has been neck and neck with the I as our least effective set all year. It's high use rate had to contribute to our poor showing vs. CIN. It certainly did nothing to showcase JM's skills, which is the only plausible reason to use it.
The Pistol is a significantly weaker platform for play-action and it absolutely eliminates bootlegs. Both have been staples of this offense all year. Sprinkle it in? Sure. Feature it? No....
It was pretty clear that Cinci decided to force the pass by being 100% committed to stopping the run. Pretty much saying to us "if your gonna beat us, JFF and the passing game are the only way.....""
I wonder if this was charted and planned...or was shanny reacting, rather than attempting to dictate....
Was the Pistol equal through the game, or did the reps "increase" or "decrease" as the game went on?....any notable in game adjustments in terms of that?
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Except IND and CIN were home games...
The pistol has been neck and neck with the I as our least effective set all year. It's high use rate had to contribute to our poor showing vs. CIN. It certainly did nothing to showcase JM's skills, which is the only plausible reason to use it.
The Pistol is a significantly weaker platform for play-action and it absolutely eliminates bootlegs. Both have been staples of this offense all year. Sprinkle it in? Sure. Feature it? No....
It was pretty clear that Cinci decided to force the pass by being 100% committed to stopping the run. Pretty much saying to us "if your gonna beat us, JFF and the passing game are the only way.....""
I wonder if this was charted and planned...or was shanny reacting, rather than attempting to dictate....
Was the Pistol equal through the game, or did the reps "increase" or "decrease" as the game went on?....any notable in game adjustments in terms of that?
It was pretty clear that Cinci decided to force the pass by being 100% committed to stopping the run. Pretty much saying to us "if your gonna beat us, JFF and the passing game are the only way.....""
I wonder if this was charted and planned...or was shanny reacting, rather than attempting to dictate....
Was the Pistol equal through the game, or did the reps "increase" or "decrease" as the game went on?....any notable in game adjustments in terms of that?
Pretty much what everybody was saying teams were doing to Hoyer then?
I don't understand running so many pistol sets in the game, non-adaptable game planning by shanahan. Maybe the coaches saw something on tape that they thought they could exploit cincy with.
Regardless, the fact the offense wasn't working should have provoked shanahan to make some changes - but it didn't.
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Except IND and CIN were home games...
The pistol has been neck and neck with the I as our least effective set all year. It's high use rate had to contribute to our poor showing vs. CIN. It certainly did nothing to showcase JM's skills, which is the only plausible reason to use it.
The Pistol is a significantly weaker platform for play-action and it absolutely eliminates bootlegs. Both have been staples of this offense all year. Sprinkle it in? Sure. Feature it? No....
It was pretty clear that Cinci decided to force the pass by being 100% committed to stopping the run. Pretty much saying to us "if your gonna beat us, JFF and the passing game are the only way.....""
I wonder if this was charted and planned...or was shanny reacting, rather than attempting to dictate....
Was the Pistol equal through the game, or did the reps "increase" or "decrease" as the game went on?....any notable in game adjustments in terms of that?
Was the Pistol equal through the game, or did the reps "increase" or "decrease" as the game went on?....any notable in game adjustments in terms of that?
But.. but... but... Johnny was supposed to put an end to stacking vs. the run. So if it did not that means that people here were lying to us... StockBoy was lying to us... *sniff*
Now to bizness... I am very close to offering subscriptions...
1st Half
S1: 3 plays ... no pistols
S2: 3 plays ... 2 power pistols
S3: 5 plays ... 2 pistols and 2 power pistols
S4: 3 plays ... no pistols
S5:11 plays ... 6 pistols
2nd Half
S6: 3 plays ... 3 pistols
S7: 3 plays ... 3 pistols
S8: 7 plays ... 3 pistols
S9: 3 plays ... no pistols
S10:1 plays ... nada pistol
JM was under center only 4 times the entire game: 2 I's, 1 power I, and one SingleBack.
I feel pretty safe in saying that SB has been our most productive formation this year...
... but if you ask for the data I will cut you off.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196
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