Ohio State QB's suck Balls!
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I am a Browns fan. But I am a Michigan fan and alum. I love my school and its players. Their college days do not disappear when they are drafted to me. That is another element to the fan experience.
The Browns losing to the Jags ssuuuucckkkedd. But it was great to see Denard go off.
The love/hate thing with the Browns is great. I grew up in the Cleveland area, I support my team... but I prefer college football over the NFL.
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I am a Browns fan. But I am a Michigan fan and alum. I love my school and its players. Their college days do not disappear when they are drafted to me. That is another element to the fan experience.
The Browns losing to the Jags ssuuuucckkkedd. But it was great to see Denard go off.
The love/hate thing with the Browns is great. I grew up in the Cleveland area, I support my team... but I prefer college football over the NFL.
but I prefer college football over the NFL.
I'm starting to go that route.
The NFL has been bought and sold to advertisers, networks, commercials, and selling products.
College Football is probably the last real thing we have to pure football.
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Ya, it depends on how you look at it though. I think the game is being corrupted (namely the SEC) and the idea of winning "the right way" has disappeared. I don't want a minor league, I want college sports with student athletes.
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The NFL is far superior talent wise, but College football is more enjoyable to watch. IMO
unless you root for that school up north
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They are not trained in the NFL fashion.
All of them?
Idk where the OP came from, and the wording is a little harsh, but OSU QBs haven't exactly been the most successful in the NFL.
All of them?
Idk where the OP came from, and the wording is a little harsh, but OSU QBs haven't exactly been the most successful in the NFL.
Yes, I did say all of them. Can you name one or more OSU Qb's that played in the NFL and had a successful career and didn't suck balls?
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That "all of them" response was to Gipper and him saying they weren't trained for the NFL
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They are not trained in the NFL fashion.
All of them?
Idk where the OP came from, and the wording is a little harsh, but OSU QBs haven't exactly been the most successful in the NFL.
All of them?
Idk where the OP came from, and the wording is a little harsh, but OSU QBs haven't exactly been the most successful in the NFL.
More better QBs have come out of Purdue than just about any school. Yes, with all that Purdue has still always been a weak sister. OSU has produced as many good RBs, WRs, OL, DL, LBs, DBs as about any school...but yea, not really good pro QBs. About the best was Mike Tomscak.
(but think about it.....besides the obvious....and one of the best of all time....Mr. Brady...who wasn't really all that in college....Michigan has not produced much beyond average QBs either. Grbac/Brian Griese....who else? Not much to write home about.)
I mean, you could say that NO school has produced one guy as good as Brady.....maybe Tenn. with Peyton, ND with Joe Cool, Northwestern with Otto, Louisville with JU.
Yea, it seems that Stanford and Purdue are the QB schools.
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Uhh... I would say you could go a ways down Michigans QB list before you hit OSU level. Hell, what recent OSU QB has had the success of Henne?
Idc about the schools success in college, or with other positions. We're just talking QB. You also made the assertion it was because they weren't trained for the NFL. I think that's BS honestly. Plenty of not pro style college offenses have produced NFL QBs. Also, you have always been a spread
Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody! -
When you think about maybe you could include the big ten in general as not having a lot of QB's that played good in the NFL. There is Brady and Brees of course. Bob Greise Sr. Going back 40 years it doesn't seem there have been alot. I'm not talking about backups coming in after the starter gets injured and plays a couple of games or finihing a season out, I'm talking legitimate Starters.
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Brady and Brees go above and beyond "legitimate starters"
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When you think about maybe you could include the big ten in general as not having a lot of QB's that played good in the NFL. There is Brady and Brees of course. Bob Greise Sr. Going back 40 years it doesn't seem there have been alot. I'm not talking about backups coming in after the starter gets injured and plays a couple of games or finihing a season out, I'm talking legitimate Starters.
When you think about maybe you could include the big ten in general as not having a lot of QB's that played good in the NFL. There is Brady and Brees of course. Bob Greise Sr. Going back 40 years it doesn't seem there have been alot. I'm not talking about backups coming in after the starter gets injured and plays a couple of games or finihing a season out, I'm talking legitimate Starters.
How much cum guzzles out of your moms asshole on a weekly basis?
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Uhh... I would say you could go a ways down Michigans QB list before you hit OSU level. Hell, what recent OSU QB has had the success of Henne?
Idc about the schools success in college, or with other positions. We're just talking QB. You also made the assertion it was because they weren't trained for the NFL. I think that's BS honestly. Plenty of not pro style college offenses have produced NFL QBs. Also, you have always been a spread
Uhh... I would say you could go a ways down Michigans QB list before you hit OSU level. Hell, what recent OSU QB has had the success of Henne?
Idc about the schools success in college, or with other positions. We're just talking QB. You also made the assertion it was because they weren't trained for the NFL. I think that's BS honestly. Plenty of not pro style college offenses have produced NFL QBs. Also, you have always been a spread
Here is the list of QBs that both OSU and Michigan have sent to the Pros. Here I am listing anyone that posted even as low as a 1 on the PFR Career Production Average stat:
Michigan
Tom Brady 145
Brian Griese 53
Elvis Grbac 46
Chad Henne 26
Todd Collins 11
Larry Cipa 1
Ohio St.
Tom Matte 67 (While listed as a QB/RB....nearly all his production came as an RB)
Mike Tomscak 43
Tom Tupa 29 (his production was split between QB and Punter)
Kent Graham 20
Terrelle Pryor 7
Troy Smith 6
Art Schlichter 4
Bobby Hoying 3
Joe Germaine 1
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You forgot Jim harbaugh, 78.
Also, maybe we'll get to add Denard to that list in a season or two...
Anyway, (removing the guy that played HB), that would mean Michigans top 4 QBs are higher than OSUs highest.
But, all of this aside, the point I was making was I felt your assertion that OSU doesn't have alot of hugh producing QBs on that list because they "are not trained in the NFL fashion" is not really legitimate. Unless OSU has been a run spread for a lot longer than I thought.... But even then, we get NFL QBs from those systems.
Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody! -
When you think about maybe you could include the big ten in general as not having a lot of QB's that played good in the NFL. There is Brady and Brees of course. Bob Greise Sr. Going back 40 years it doesn't seem there have been alot. I'm not talking about backups coming in after the starter gets injured and plays a couple of games or finihing a season out, I'm talking legitimate Starters.
When you think about maybe you could include the big ten in general as not having a lot of QB's that played good in the NFL. There is Brady and Brees of course. Bob Greise Sr. Going back 40 years it doesn't seem there have been alot. I'm not talking about backups coming in after the starter gets injured and plays a couple of games or finihing a season out, I'm talking legitimate Starters.
The Big Ten has done as well or better than any other conference historically at producing QBs. Just not OSU. Here are the Hall of Famers ....and almost certain HOFers produced by the current lineup of Power 5 conferences:
Big Ten
Len Dawson Purdue
Bob Griese Purdue
Drew Brees Purdue
Otto Graham Northwestern
Tom Brady Michigan
SEC
George Blanda Kentucky
Joe Namath Alabama
Bart Starr Alabama
Fran Tarkenton Georgia
YA Tittle LSU
Peyton Manning Tennessee
Pac-12
Troy Aikman UCLA
Bob Waterfield UCLA
John Elway Stanford
Dan Fouts Oregon
Norm Van Brocklin Oregon
Warren Moon Washington
ACC:
Sonny Jurgenson Duke
Jim Kelly Miami
Dan Marino Pitt
Johnny Unitas Louisville
....big maybe: Rivers NC St.?
Big 12
Bobby Layne Texas
Independents and smaller schools:
Joe Montana Notre Dame
Terry Bradshaw La. Tech
Roger Staubach Navy
Steve Young BYU
Ben Roethlisberger Miami Oh.
Brett Favre So. Miss.
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You forgot Brian Hoyer Mich St
Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody! -
You forgot Jim harbaugh, 78.
Also, maybe we'll get to add Denard to that list in a season or two...
Anyway, (removing the guy that played HB), that would mean Michigans top 4 QBs are higher than OSUs highest.
But, all of this aside, the point I was making was I felt your assertion that OSU doesn't have alot of hugh producing QBs on that list because they "are not trained in the NFL fashion" is not really legitimate. Unless OSU has been a run spread for a lot longer than I thought.... But even then, we get NFL QBs from those systems.
You forgot Jim harbaugh, 78.
Right. I missed him...not sure how.
Also, maybe we'll get to add Denard to that list in a season or two...
He doesn't play QB in the NFL, does he?
Anyway, (removing the guy that played HB), that would mean Michigans top 4 QBs are higher than OSUs highest.
Grbac and Griese had careers about the same as Tomscak.....but definitely Harbaugh and Brady have been better.
But, all of this aside, the point I was making was I felt your assertion that OSU doesn't have alot of hugh producing QBs on that list because they "are not trained in the NFL fashion" is not really legitimate. Unless OSU has been a run spread for a lot longer than I thought.... But even then, we get NFL QBs from those systems.
OSU HAS run the spread or something like it a lot longer than you thought (option QBs). Going back to Rex Kern and Cornelius Greene, Rod Gerald. Even Herbstreit was primarily an option QB, Stanley Jackson. Even Craig Krenzel....if you recall the championship game he won, he did a lot of it with his legs. And lately, Smith, Pryor, Miller, Barrett.....all as much run oriented as pass oriented.
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You forgot Brian Hoyer Mich St
You expect to make the HOF, eh? Cute.
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Ohio State has had its attempts at having 'pro style" QBs start for them......Schlichter, Greg Frey, Jim Karsatos, Tupa, Kent Graham, Hoying, Tomscak.
The fact is, that sort of QB has not had as much success for them as the more running QBs. And those guys did not translate into successful pros....with the limited exception of Tomscak.
In the early 70s Michigan had their better success with "option" type QBs with Dennis Franklin and Rick Leach. But then they went to the "pro style" guys for a long long time with the likes of Steve Smith, John Wangler, Harbaugh, Michael Taylor, Harbaugh, Collins, Griese, Brady, Henson, Navarre, and Henne. Recently with Robinson and Gardner they have gone back to a more running/option/spread type of game.
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I would think there's a difference between a run first spread option QB and a QB that can also hurt you with his legs. I'm guessing NFL types know this.
Also, I mentioned Denard as a "what if" because of the first guy you listed that was mostly a HB
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I would think there's a difference between a run first spread option QB and a QB that can also hurt you with his legs. I'm guessing NFL types know this.
Also, I mentioned Denard as a "what if" because of the first guy you listed that was mostly a HB
I would think there's a difference between a run first spread option QB and a QB that can also hurt you with his legs. I'm guessing NFL types know this.
Also, I mentioned Denard as a "what if" because of the first guy you listed that was mostly a HB
While Matte was primarily a HB, he did occasionally start at QB. ( I doubt that Robinson will ever start an NFL game at QB) In fact, Matte famously started at QB in a post season game for the Colts. Johnny Unitas was hurt, backup Gary Cuozzo was hurt, so Matte had to start at QB for the Colts vs. the Packers. Here is the famous wristband that he wore that day which can be seen in the PFHOF:
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