Heirarchy
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To me, Flacco and Manning are B-level QBs in A-level organizations. Rivers and Romo have been A-level QBs on B-level organizations.
A+
Tom Brady
Peyton Manning
Aaron Rogers
Drew Brees
A
Ben Roethlisberger
Phillip Rivers
Tony Romo
B+
Andrew Luck
Russell Wilson
Joe Flacco
B
Eli Manning
Matt Stafford
Cam Newton
Matt Ryan
Carson Palmer
Colin Kaepernick
Andy Dalton
C+
Alex Smith
Ryan Tannehill
Nick Foles
Jay Cutler
C
Robert Griffin
Sam Bradford
C- (placeholders but really backups)
Ryan Fitzpatrick
Brian Hoyer
D (Developmental) in order:
Derek Carr
Teddy Twatwater
Blake Bortles
Geno Smith
Zack Mettenberger/
Mike Glennon/J
EJ Manuel
Zombo said:
To me, Flacco and Manning are B-level QBs in A-level organizations. Rivers and Romo have been A-level QBs on B-level organizations.
Much more in tune with my thinking.....pretty much agree with that list!
You take Rivers with his 4-5 postseason record.
I will take Eli with his 8-3 playoff record....or Flacco with his 10-4 playoff record.....
But, you dont get the winning record, you just get the Quarterback.....as wins/losses are a team function, not a player function...this is a thread about rating QB's, not teams....right?
IE....had ANY of these players played on a different team, their win/loss records would be very different....yet they would still be the same players....sooooo....
Rivers hasn't won anything, yet people seem to think he's pretty good.....what if he went to the Giants...could he be god by now?
What if Ely went to San Diego?....would he even be in this discussion?....(I doubt it)
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Zombo said:
To me, Flacco and Manning are B-level QBs in A-level organizations. Rivers and Romo have been A-level QBs on B-level organizations.
Much more in tune with my thinking.....pretty much agree with that list!
You take Rivers with his 4-5 postseason record.
I will take Eli with his 8-3 playoff record....or Flacco with his 10-4 playoff record.....
But, you dont get the winning record, you just get the Quarterback.....as wins/losses are a team function, not a player function...this is a thread about rating QB's, not teams....right?
IE....had ANY of these players played on a different team, their win/loss records would be very different....yet they would still be the same players....sooooo....
Rivers hasn't won anything, yet people seem to think he's pretty good.....what if he went to the Giants...could he be god by now?
What if Ely went to San Diego?....would he even be in this discussion?....(I doubt it)
Much more in tune with my thinking.....pretty much agree with that list!
But, you dont get the winning record, you just get the Quarterback.....as wins/losses are a team function, not a player function...this is a thread about rating QB's, not teams....right?
IE....had ANY of these players played on a different team, their win/loss records would be very different....yet they would still be the same players....sooooo....
Rivers hasn't won anything, yet people seem to think he's pretty good.....what if he went to the Giants...could he be god by now?
What if Ely went to San Diego?....would he even be in this discussion?....(I doubt it)
You are talking about what coulda/woulda happened. I am talking about what HAS happened. When Romo and Rivers have had their opportunities to put their teams on their backs and win the big games, they have failed. Eli did not fail, he succeeded spectacularly.
So....actual accomplishment must count for something......not theoretical ability.
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Much more in tune with my thinking.....pretty much agree with that list!
But, you dont get the winning record, you just get the Quarterback.....as wins/losses are a team function, not a player function...this is a thread about rating QB's, not teams....right?
IE....had ANY of these players played on a different team, their win/loss records would be very different....yet they would still be the same players....sooooo....
Rivers hasn't won anything, yet people seem to think he's pretty good.....what if he went to the Giants...could he be god by now?
What if Ely went to San Diego?....would he even be in this discussion?....(I doubt it)
You are talking about what coulda/woulda happened. I am talking about what HAS happened. When Romo and Rivers have had their opportunities to put their teams on their backs and win the big games, they have failed. Eli did not fail, he succeeded spectacularly.
So....actual accomplishment must count for something......not theoretical ability.
You are talking about what coulda/woulda happened. I am talking about what HAS happened. When Romo and Rivers have had their opportunities to put their teams on their backs and win the big games, they have failed. Eli did not fail, he succeeded spectacularly.
So....actual accomplishment must count for something......not theoretical ability.
Ok you win.....Ely is GREAT!....and better than Rivers....
Actually, thats a lie....I disagree....moving on now.....bye
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To me, Flacco and Manning are B-level QBs in A-level organizations. Rivers and Romo have been A-level QBs on B-level organizations.
A+
Tom Brady
Peyton Manning
Aaron Rogers
Drew Brees
A
Ben Roethlisberger
Phillip Rivers
Tony Romo
B+
Andrew Luck
Russell Wilson
Joe Flacco
B
Eli Manning
Matt Stafford
Cam Newton
Matt Ryan
Carson Palmer
Colin Kaepernick
Andy Dalton
C+
Alex Smith
Ryan Tannehill
Nick Foles
Jay Cutler
C
Robert Griffin
Sam Bradford
C- (placeholders but really backups)
Ryan Fitzpatrick
Brian Hoyer
D (Developmental) in order:
Derek Carr
Teddy Twatwater
Blake Bortles
Geno Smith
Zack Mettenberger/
Mike Glennon/J
EJ Manuel
Move Luck to A and Ryan to B+ and this is on the money.Zombo said:
To me, Flacco and Manning are B-level QBs in A-level organizations. Rivers and Romo have been A-level QBs on B-level organizations.
A+
Tom Brady
Peyton Manning
Aaron Rogers
Drew Brees
A
Ben Roethlisberger
Phillip Rivers
Tony Romo
B+
Andrew Luck
Russell Wilson
Joe Flacco
B
Eli Manning
Matt Stafford
Cam Newton
Matt Ryan
Carson Palmer
Colin Kaepernick
Andy Dalton
C+
Alex Smith
Ryan Tannehill
Nick Foles
Jay Cutler
C
Robert Griffin
Sam Bradford
C- (placeholders but really backups)
Ryan Fitzpatrick
Brian Hoyer
D (Developmental) in order:
Derek Carr
Teddy Twatwater
Blake Bortles
Geno Smith
Zack Mettenberger/
Mike Glennon/J
EJ Manuel
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Zombo said:
To me, Flacco and Manning are B-level QBs in A-level organizations. Rivers and Romo have been A-level QBs on B-level organizations.
Much more in tune with my thinking.....pretty much agree with that list!
You take Rivers with his 4-5 postseason record.
I will take Eli with his 8-3 playoff record....or Flacco with his 10-4 playoff record.....
But, you dont get the winning record, you just get the Quarterback.....as wins/losses are a team function, not a player function...this is a thread about rating QB's, not teams....right?
IE....had ANY of these players played on a different team, their win/loss records would be very different....yet they would still be the same players....sooooo....
Rivers hasn't won anything, yet people seem to think he's pretty good.....what if he went to the Giants...could he be god by now?
What if Ely went to San Diego?....would he even be in this discussion?....(I doubt it)
Much more in tune with my thinking.....pretty much agree with that list!
But, you dont get the winning record, you just get the Quarterback.....as wins/losses are a team function, not a player function...this is a thread about rating QB's, not teams....right?
IE....had ANY of these players played on a different team, their win/loss records would be very different....yet they would still be the same players....sooooo....
Rivers hasn't won anything, yet people seem to think he's pretty good.....what if he went to the Giants...could he be god by now?
What if Ely went to San Diego?....would he even be in this discussion?....(I doubt it)
If you put each QB on the exact same team....I still think Eli might come out the best. Again, to me, it is the "it" factor. The Clutch factor. Eli has proven to have it. The others have not. Quite the opposite.
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@everlastingxxx said:
Premium QBs or Elite ones are rare. Manning, Brady, Rodgers, Brees. Thatโs it. If Romo can win a Super Bowl he can join that conversation.
Eli has already won two. BR has already won two.
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