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  • The GipperT The Gipper

    While the likes of Jerome Bettis, Tim Brown, Will Shields, Tim Brown, Bill Polian, Junior Seau, Ron Wolf, and Charles Haley were elected to the Pro Football Hall of Fame, the following players were "rejected" this time around:

    Jimmy Johnson HC

    Don Coryell HC 2d time finalist

    Tony Dungy HC

    John Lynch 2d time finalist

    Marvin Harrison 2d time finalist

    Orlando Pace

    Morten Anderson 2d time finalist

    Kurt Warner

    Kevin Greene 4 time finalist

    Which of these do you think will make it in future years...or who may never make it?

    Also, here is a list of people while not finalists this year, have been finalists in the past. Any of these that you think should ultimately get in?: (number next to name reflects how many times they have been a finalist without making it)

    Eddie DeBartolo Jr. 3

    Dick Stanfel 2

    Art Modell 2

    Roger Craig 1

    Bob Kuechenberg 8

    Paul Tagliabue 3

    Marshal Goldberg 2

    Randy Gradishar 2

    Fred Dean 1

    LC Greenwood 6

    George Young 3

    Cliff Harris 1

    Lester Hayes 4

    Jim Marshall 1

    Ken Stabler 3

    Donnie Shell 1

    Ken Anderson 2

    Jerry Kramer 10

    Willie Gallimore 1

    Lee Roy Jordan 1

    Lou Rymkus 1

    Blanton Collier 1

    Johnny Robinson 6

    Mac Speedie 3

    Jim Tyrer 1

    Charlie Conerly 7

    Gene "Big Daddy" Lipscomb 1

    Clark Shaughnessy 3

    Rosie Greer 1

    Ole Haugsrud 1

    Tony Morabito 1

    Duke Slater 2

    Beatie Feathers 1

    The GipperT The Gipper wrote on
    #2

    @the-gipper said:

    While the likes of Jerome Bettis, Tim Brown, Will Shields, Tim Brown, Bill Polian, Junior Seau, Ron Wolf, and Charles Haley were elected to the Pro Football Hall of Fame, the following players were "rejected" this time around:

    Those who I think will eventually make it from this group:

    Jimmy Johnson HC

    Don Coryell HC 2d time finalist

    Tony Dungy HC

    John Lynch 2d time finalist

    Marvin Harrison 2d time finalist

    Orlando Pace

    Morten Anderson 2d time finalist

    Kurt Warner

    Kevin Greene 4 time finalist they have left him off....and as you see below, there are others that never made despite being a multiple finalist

    Which of these do you think will make it in future years...or who may never make it?

    Also, here is a list of people while not finalists this year, have been finalists in the past. Any of these that you think should ultimately get in?: (number next to name reflects how many times they have been a finalist without making it)

    My Choices for whom I would like to see eventually make it....though perhaps they never will

    Eddie DeBartolo Jr. 3

    Dick Stanfel 2

    Art Modell 2

    Roger Craig 1

    Bob Kuechenberg 8

    Paul Tagliabue 3

    Marshal Goldberg 2

    Randy Gradishar 2

    Fred Dean 1

    LC Greenwood 6

    George Young 3

    Cliff Harris 1

    Lester Hayes 4

    Jim Marshall 1

    Ken Stabler 3

    Donnie Shell 1

    Ken Anderson 2

    Jerry Kramer 10

    Willie Gallimore 1

    Lee Roy Jordan 1

    Lou Rymkus 1

    Blanton Collier 1

    Johnny Robinson 6

    Mac Speedie 3

    Jim Tyrer 1

    Charlie Conerly 7

    Gene "Big Daddy" Lipscomb 1

    Clark Shaughnessy 3

    Rosie Greer 1

    Ole Haugsrud 1

    Tony Morabito 1

    Duke Slater 2

    Beatie Feathers 1

    FYI, Jim Tyrer would probably have easily made the PFHOF. He was an 8 time all pro OT from Ohio State, but after he retired, he murdered his wife and committed suicide at the same time. Since he had not been elected yet the HOF selection committee pretty much washed his hands of him and have not considered him since.

  • jrb12711J jrb12711 wrote on
    #3

    I'd be really, really surprised if Tony Dungy and Orlando Pace don't make it. Pace is a 7x Pro Bowler and a 5x All-Pro with a ring. I think his knock was late in his career injuries, but he definitely deserves to be there.

  • F FairHooker11 wrote on
    #4

    Jim Marshall - a player taken in expansion draft from the Browns to a very good career with the Vikings

    a player Im sure the Browns org were sad to see go?

  • The GipperT The Gipper wrote on
    #5

    Note to Z: Yes, I would rather see Stabler get a HOF nod over Anderson....in case you thought otherwise.

    (but you should argue counterwise, no? Stats over rings?)

  • The GipperT The Gipper

    Note to Z: Yes, I would rather see Stabler get a HOF nod over Anderson....in case you thought otherwise.

    (but you should argue counterwise, no? Stats over rings?)

    Z Zombo wrote on
    #6

    @the-gipper said:

    Note to Z: Yes, I would rather see Stabler get a HOF nod over Anderson....in case you thought otherwise.

    (but you should argue counterwise, no? Stats over rings?)

    Neither are worthy.

    Zombo

  • Z Zombo

    @the-gipper said:

    Note to Z: Yes, I would rather see Stabler get a HOF nod over Anderson....in case you thought otherwise.

    (but you should argue counterwise, no? Stats over rings?)

    Neither are worthy.

    Zombo

    The GipperT The Gipper wrote on
    #7

    Zombo said:

    Neither are worthy.

    Zombo

    But here is something to support his cause: the Hall of Fame has published it All Decade Teams. Here are the quarterbacks chosen to represent each decade:

    20s: Jimmy Conzelman and Paddy Driscoll

    30s: Dutch Clark, Arnie Herber, Cecil Isbell

    40s: Sammy Baugh, Sid Luckman, Bob Waterfield

    50s: Otto Graham, Bobby Layne, Norm Van Brocklin

    60s: Bart Starr, John Unitas, Sonny Jurgenson

    70s: Terry Bradshaw, Roger Staubach, Ken Stabler

    80s: Joe Montana and Dan Fouts

    90s: John Elway and Brett Favre

    00s: Peyton Manning and Tom Brady.

    Favre, Peyton and Brady are not eligible yet......but the only other people on the above list that are not inducted into the HOF are Cecil Isbell, and Ken Stabler.

    I figure that an argument can be made that if a guy is good enough to be All Decade, he should be good enough to be in the HOF.

    Z 1 Reply
  • The GipperT The Gipper wrote on
    #8

    Here are some first time eligibles for future years:

    2016: Brett Favre, Terrell Owens, Fred Taylor, Brian Westbrook, Alan Faneca, Clinton Portis

    2017: LaDanian Tomlinson, Brian Dawkins, Jason Taylor, Brian Waters, Donovan McNabb, Hines Ward, Rickey Williams

    2018: Ray Lewis, Randy Moss, Steve Hutchinson, Brian Urlacher, Donald Driver, Jeff Saturday

    The bold are my opinions of sure things to make it. Maybe not on first ballot, but eventually.

  • The GipperT The Gipper

    While the likes of Jerome Bettis, Tim Brown, Will Shields, Tim Brown, Bill Polian, Junior Seau, Ron Wolf, and Charles Haley were elected to the Pro Football Hall of Fame, the following players were "rejected" this time around:

    Jimmy Johnson HC

    Don Coryell HC 2d time finalist

    Tony Dungy HC

    John Lynch 2d time finalist

    Marvin Harrison 2d time finalist

    Orlando Pace

    Morten Anderson 2d time finalist

    Kurt Warner

    Kevin Greene 4 time finalist

    Which of these do you think will make it in future years...or who may never make it?

    Also, here is a list of people while not finalists this year, have been finalists in the past. Any of these that you think should ultimately get in?: (number next to name reflects how many times they have been a finalist without making it)

    Eddie DeBartolo Jr. 3

    Dick Stanfel 2

    Art Modell 2

    Roger Craig 1

    Bob Kuechenberg 8

    Paul Tagliabue 3

    Marshal Goldberg 2

    Randy Gradishar 2

    Fred Dean 1

    LC Greenwood 6

    George Young 3

    Cliff Harris 1

    Lester Hayes 4

    Jim Marshall 1

    Ken Stabler 3

    Donnie Shell 1

    Ken Anderson 2

    Jerry Kramer 10

    Willie Gallimore 1

    Lee Roy Jordan 1

    Lou Rymkus 1

    Blanton Collier 1

    Johnny Robinson 6

    Mac Speedie 3

    Jim Tyrer 1

    Charlie Conerly 7

    Gene "Big Daddy" Lipscomb 1

    Clark Shaughnessy 3

    Rosie Greer 1

    Ole Haugsrud 1

    Tony Morabito 1

    Duke Slater 2

    Beatie Feathers 1

    C Chicopee John wrote on
    #9

    @the-gipper said:

    While the likes of Jerome Bettis, Tim Brown, Will Shields, Tim Brown, Bill Polian, Junior Seau, Ron Wolf, and Charles Haley were elected to the Pro Football Hall of Fame, the following players were "rejected" this time around:

    Jimmy Johnson HC

    Don Coryell HC 2d time finalist

    Tony Dungy HC

    John Lynch 2d time finalist

    Marvin Harrison 2d time finalist

    Orlando Pace

    Morten Anderson 2d time finalist

    Kurt Warner

    Kevin Greene 4 time finalist

    Which of these do you think will make it in future years...or who may never make it?

    Also, here is a list of people while not finalists this year, have been finalists in the past. Any of these that you think should ultimately get in?: (number next to name reflects how many times they have been a finalist without making it)

    Eddie DeBartolo Jr. 3

    Dick Stanfel 2

    Art Modell 2

    Roger Craig 1

    Bob Kuechenberg 8

    Paul Tagliabue 3

    Marshal Goldberg 2

    Randy Gradishar 2

    Fred Dean 1

    LC Greenwood 6

    George Young 3

    Cliff Harris 1

    Lester Hayes 4

    Jim Marshall 1

    Ken Stabler 3

    Donnie Shell 1

    Ken Anderson 2

    Jerry Kramer 10

    Willie Gallimore 1

    Lee Roy Jordan 1

    Lou Rymkus 1

    Blanton Collier 1

    Johnny Robinson 6

    Mac Speedie 3

    Jim Tyrer 1

    Charlie Conerly 7

    Gene "Big Daddy" Lipscomb 1

    Clark Shaughnessy 3

    Rosie Greer 1

    Ole Haugsrud 1

    Tony Morabito 1

    Duke Slater 2

    Beatie Feathers 1

    Surprised about Andersen and Stabler. I just assumed Greenwood was in although I don't much care about these things.

    In some ways - many ways, perhaps - this isn't any different than being inducted into the R&R HOF, winning an Oscar, Emmy, etc.

    Who do you know? Who do you blow?

    "God is great. Beer is good. People are crazy."
  • D BoneD D Bone wrote on
    #10

    Kurt Warner, if for no other reason than I like the dude.

    The GipperT 1 Reply
  • D Dste Ace wrote on
    #11

    I remember that at Don Coryell's funeral, John Madden basically said "I'm sitting in the front row

    with Joe Gibbs and Dan Fouts and we're all in the Hall of Fame because of Don Coryell.

    From SB*Nation:

    "Coryell is credited with a laundry list of innovations. He was the architect behind the one-back formation, developed the "joker" tight end, pioneered the use of option routes, devised the flood route combination, conceived the numbered route tree/play-call lexicon, and was integral in the advancement of the use of pre-snap motion and running back screens"

    "As a corollary, Coryell's innovations changed the way teams played defense (more nickel and dime), how they scouted players and what they prioritized in their players (speed, speed, speed and coverage ability)"

    The GipperT 1 Reply
  • D Dste Ace wrote on
    #12

    The other side of the coin of Air Coryell is that I have fond memories of watching the late

    West coast games in the '70's, where every week Dan Fouts would throw for 400+ yards

    and 5 touchdowns and lose 51-48.

  • D BoneD D Bone

    Kurt Warner, if for no other reason than I like the dude.

    The GipperT The Gipper wrote on
    #13

    @d-bone said:

    Kurt Warner, if for no other reason than I like the dude.

    He will get there.

  • D Dste Ace

    I remember that at Don Coryell's funeral, John Madden basically said "I'm sitting in the front row

    with Joe Gibbs and Dan Fouts and we're all in the Hall of Fame because of Don Coryell.

    From SB*Nation:

    "Coryell is credited with a laundry list of innovations. He was the architect behind the one-back formation, developed the "joker" tight end, pioneered the use of option routes, devised the flood route combination, conceived the numbered route tree/play-call lexicon, and was integral in the advancement of the use of pre-snap motion and running back screens"

    "As a corollary, Coryell's innovations changed the way teams played defense (more nickel and dime), how they scouted players and what they prioritized in their players (speed, speed, speed and coverage ability)"

    The GipperT The Gipper wrote on
    #14

    @dste-ace said:

    I remember that at Don Coryell's funeral, John Madden basically said "I'm sitting in the front row

    with Joe Gibbs and Dan Fouts and we're all in the Hall of Fame because of Don Coryell.

    From SB*Nation:

    "Coryell is credited with a laundry list of innovations. He was the architect behind the one-back formation, developed the "joker" tight end, pioneered the use of option routes, devised the flood route combination, conceived the numbered route tree/play-call lexicon, and was integral in the advancement of the use of pre-snap motion and running back screens"

    "As a corollary, Coryell's innovations changed the way teams played defense (more nickel and dime), how they scouted players and what they prioritized in their players (speed, speed, speed and coverage ability)"

    All that innovation being true, the thing that holds him back from being selected I think is that none of his team's ever even made it to the SB.

    For a QB like Dan Marino to never win a SB....but who puts up remarkable stats and performances...it is OK, he will get in. But for a coach to not get his team to a SB, in this day and age, it will be held against him.

    The same is true for Marty Schottenheimer....who is #6 with most wins in history as a coach...200-126-1.....but couldn't get it done in the big one.

    Dan Reeves, #8 in all time win. Took 4 teams to SBs.....Broncos 3, Falcons to their only SB appearance.......overlooked because he won none, lost 4. (But I guess you have to lose all 4 in a row......like Marv Levy, who is in)

    Chuck Knox #9 in all time wins.

    Pretty much if you don't win, you don't get in.

    The only coaches besides Levy I believe that are not in are George Allen and Bud Grant.

  • The GipperT The Gipper

    @dste-ace said:

    I remember that at Don Coryell's funeral, John Madden basically said "I'm sitting in the front row

    with Joe Gibbs and Dan Fouts and we're all in the Hall of Fame because of Don Coryell.

    From SB*Nation:

    "Coryell is credited with a laundry list of innovations. He was the architect behind the one-back formation, developed the "joker" tight end, pioneered the use of option routes, devised the flood route combination, conceived the numbered route tree/play-call lexicon, and was integral in the advancement of the use of pre-snap motion and running back screens"

    "As a corollary, Coryell's innovations changed the way teams played defense (more nickel and dime), how they scouted players and what they prioritized in their players (speed, speed, speed and coverage ability)"

    All that innovation being true, the thing that holds him back from being selected I think is that none of his team's ever even made it to the SB.

    For a QB like Dan Marino to never win a SB....but who puts up remarkable stats and performances...it is OK, he will get in. But for a coach to not get his team to a SB, in this day and age, it will be held against him.

    The same is true for Marty Schottenheimer....who is #6 with most wins in history as a coach...200-126-1.....but couldn't get it done in the big one.

    Dan Reeves, #8 in all time win. Took 4 teams to SBs.....Broncos 3, Falcons to their only SB appearance.......overlooked because he won none, lost 4. (But I guess you have to lose all 4 in a row......like Marv Levy, who is in)

    Chuck Knox #9 in all time wins.

    Pretty much if you don't win, you don't get in.

    The only coaches besides Levy I believe that are not in are George Allen and Bud Grant.

    D Dste Ace wrote on
    #15

    @the-gipper said:

    All that innovation being true, the thing that holds him back from being selected I think is that none of his team's ever even made it to the SB.

    Yeah, perhaps Don should have aimed some of that offensive innovation at the defensive side of the ball.

  • S secondwave wrote on
    #16

    Very surprised Marvin Harrison didn't get in. He's a superior receiver to Tim Brown (who got in).

    Stupid.

    The GipperT 1 Reply
  • The GipperT The Gipper

    Zombo said:

    Neither are worthy.

    Zombo

    But here is something to support his cause: the Hall of Fame has published it All Decade Teams. Here are the quarterbacks chosen to represent each decade:

    20s: Jimmy Conzelman and Paddy Driscoll

    30s: Dutch Clark, Arnie Herber, Cecil Isbell

    40s: Sammy Baugh, Sid Luckman, Bob Waterfield

    50s: Otto Graham, Bobby Layne, Norm Van Brocklin

    60s: Bart Starr, John Unitas, Sonny Jurgenson

    70s: Terry Bradshaw, Roger Staubach, Ken Stabler

    80s: Joe Montana and Dan Fouts

    90s: John Elway and Brett Favre

    00s: Peyton Manning and Tom Brady.

    Favre, Peyton and Brady are not eligible yet......but the only other people on the above list that are not inducted into the HOF are Cecil Isbell, and Ken Stabler.

    I figure that an argument can be made that if a guy is good enough to be All Decade, he should be good enough to be in the HOF.

    Z Zombo wrote on
    #17

    @the-gipper said:

    But here is something to support his cause: the Hall of Fame has published it All Decade Teams. Here are the quarterbacks chosen to represent each decade:

    20s: Jimmy Conzelman and Paddy Driscoll

    30s: Dutch Clark, Arnie Herber, Cecil Isbell

    40s: Sammy Baugh, Sid Luckman, Bob Waterfield

    50s: Otto Graham, Bobby Layne, Norm Van Brocklin

    60s: Bart Starr, John Unitas, Sonny Jurgenson

    70s: Terry Bradshaw, Roger Staubach, Ken Stabler

    80s: Joe Montana and Dan Fouts

    90s: John Elway and Brett Favre

    00s: Peyton Manning and Tom Brady.

    Favre, Peyton and Brady are not eligible yet......but the only other people on the above list that are not inducted into the HOF are Cecil Isbell, and Ken Stabler.

    I figure that an argument can be made that if a guy is good enough to be All Decade, he should be good enough to be in the HOF.

    Well, the guy that picked Stabler over Tark was smoking crack. Did they have crack then?

    Plus, Stabler was pretty bad in the 80's bouncing around with Houston and NO.

    Love the Snake, just don't think he needs to be in the Hall.

    Zombo

    Z EdwardejwE 2 Replies
  • Z Zombo

    @the-gipper said:

    But here is something to support his cause: the Hall of Fame has published it All Decade Teams. Here are the quarterbacks chosen to represent each decade:

    20s: Jimmy Conzelman and Paddy Driscoll

    30s: Dutch Clark, Arnie Herber, Cecil Isbell

    40s: Sammy Baugh, Sid Luckman, Bob Waterfield

    50s: Otto Graham, Bobby Layne, Norm Van Brocklin

    60s: Bart Starr, John Unitas, Sonny Jurgenson

    70s: Terry Bradshaw, Roger Staubach, Ken Stabler

    80s: Joe Montana and Dan Fouts

    90s: John Elway and Brett Favre

    00s: Peyton Manning and Tom Brady.

    Favre, Peyton and Brady are not eligible yet......but the only other people on the above list that are not inducted into the HOF are Cecil Isbell, and Ken Stabler.

    I figure that an argument can be made that if a guy is good enough to be All Decade, he should be good enough to be in the HOF.

    Well, the guy that picked Stabler over Tark was smoking crack. Did they have crack then?

    Plus, Stabler was pretty bad in the 80's bouncing around with Houston and NO.

    Love the Snake, just don't think he needs to be in the Hall.

    Zombo

    Z Zombo wrote on
    #18

    Zombo said:

    Well, the guy that picked Stabler over Tark was smoking crack. Did they have crack then?

    Plus, Stabler was pretty bad in the 80's bouncing around with Houston and NO.

    Love the Snake, just don't think he needs to be in the Hall.

    Zombo

    Now that I look at Tark's stats ... maybe Stabler was better than Tark in the 70's. But Tark was a lot better in the 60s than Kenny was in the 80's, so no comparison there.

    Stabler had a 75 rating and threw a ton of picks, playing almost half his career in the post 1977 passing era ... I just think his lifestyle and knee surgeries did him in and he didn't have the sustained success a HOF should have.

    Zombo

  • EdwardejwE Edwardejw wrote on
    #19

    Eddie DeBartolo Jr. 3

    Art Modell 2

    The son of an old time Cleveland mafioso, oh no wait, a shopping center magnet and Art Modell? Art should have been fitted for concrete overshoes and dumped off the 9th street pier. The Mofo fired Paul Brown, moved the franchise, his name should be vilified by any oldtime Browns fan.

  • Z Zombo

    @the-gipper said:

    But here is something to support his cause: the Hall of Fame has published it All Decade Teams. Here are the quarterbacks chosen to represent each decade:

    20s: Jimmy Conzelman and Paddy Driscoll

    30s: Dutch Clark, Arnie Herber, Cecil Isbell

    40s: Sammy Baugh, Sid Luckman, Bob Waterfield

    50s: Otto Graham, Bobby Layne, Norm Van Brocklin

    60s: Bart Starr, John Unitas, Sonny Jurgenson

    70s: Terry Bradshaw, Roger Staubach, Ken Stabler

    80s: Joe Montana and Dan Fouts

    90s: John Elway and Brett Favre

    00s: Peyton Manning and Tom Brady.

    Favre, Peyton and Brady are not eligible yet......but the only other people on the above list that are not inducted into the HOF are Cecil Isbell, and Ken Stabler.

    I figure that an argument can be made that if a guy is good enough to be All Decade, he should be good enough to be in the HOF.

    Well, the guy that picked Stabler over Tark was smoking crack. Did they have crack then?

    Plus, Stabler was pretty bad in the 80's bouncing around with Houston and NO.

    Love the Snake, just don't think he needs to be in the Hall.

    Zombo

    EdwardejwE Edwardejw wrote on
    #20

    Zombo said:

    Well, the guy that picked Stabler over Tark was smoking crack. Did they have crack then?

    Plus, Stabler was pretty bad in the 80's bouncing around with Houston and NO.

    Love the Snake, just don't think he needs to be in the Hall.

    Zombo

    The company I worked for had seasons for the Oilers and the Astros. Stabler was fun to watch and he was pretty productive. I have to say though, you think Johnny parties, holy crap, The Snake would put him to shame. He was all over town during that era.

  • S secondwave

    Very surprised Marvin Harrison didn't get in. He's a superior receiver to Tim Brown (who got in).

    Stupid.

    The GipperT The Gipper wrote on
    #21

    @secondwave said:

    Very surprised Marvin Harrison didn't get in. He's a superior receiver to Tim Brown (who got in).

    Stupid.

    I think it is a matter of timing. While I agree with you that Harrison had a more productive career, the voters knew that Brown had waited quite a while and that "his time was due". Look how long Cris Carter and Andre Reed had to wait, both of which were perhaps ahead of Harrison. Harrison's "time will come".

    I thought Pace and Warner would make it, but again as first time eligibles "their time did not come". Seau was getting in first ballot regardless.

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