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  • OldBrownsFanO OldBrownsFan

    @d-bone said:

    If Pet gets a QB, we'll win. I don't see Johnny ever being that QB, regardless of how he comes out of rehab, so the FO has to pull a rabbit out of the hat.

    One path I see is upgrading the defense which is very doable to where the Browns can have one of the better defenses. If the Browns can keep the score down then hope you have enough offense to win. I don't think the Browns will win any shoot out games. It's frustrating to see a team with talent not have the key player in place but I don't see it as hopeless by any means. Play to your strengths which should be our defense.

    @oldbrownsfan said:

    One path I see is upgrading the defense which is very doable to where the Browns can have one of the better defenses. If the Browns can keep the score down then hope you have enough offense to win. I don't think the Browns will win any shoot out games. It's frustrating to see a team with talent not have the key player in place but I don't see it as hopeless by any means. Play to your strengths which should be our defense.

    So would you take a DL and ILB as the first two?

    I think there are several decent WR that will still be available in the 3rd & 4th rounds. The key will be whether a decent OT is still there in the 3rd. Do we trade up after our 2nd pick to get one?

  • T TexasAg1969

    @oldbrownsfan said:

    One path I see is upgrading the defense which is very doable to where the Browns can have one of the better defenses. If the Browns can keep the score down then hope you have enough offense to win. I don't think the Browns will win any shoot out games. It's frustrating to see a team with talent not have the key player in place but I don't see it as hopeless by any means. Play to your strengths which should be our defense.

    So would you take a DL and ILB as the first two?

    I think there are several decent WR that will still be available in the 3rd & 4th rounds. The key will be whether a decent OT is still there in the 3rd. Do we trade up after our 2nd pick to get one?

    @texasag1969 said:

    So would you take a DL and ILB as the first two?

    I think there are several decent WR that will still be available in the 3rd & 4th rounds. The key will be whether a decent OT is still there in the 3rd. Do we trade up after our 2nd pick to get one?

    This is where you guys know more than me. I see the needs. Upgrade the defense for sure. Wide receiver for sure. Having more depth on the O line wouldn't hurt, we saw that when Mack went out. I speak as just a fan for almost 50 years. I think we need Hoyer this year but I'm not factoring in things like salary. There may be a veteran QB out there but I lean towards Hoyer probably because I saw what he can do when we went 6-3 and I think one of the reasons he stumbled the second part of the season was our running game dropped off about the time Mack got injured.

  • OldBrownsFanO OldBrownsFan

    http://espn.go.com/blog/cleveland-browns/post/_/id/11865/browns-could-have-kept-justin-gilberts-personal-issue-private

    Another scandal 😑 . Pettine said about Justin Gilbert β€œI don’t want to get into it,” Pettine said. β€œIt’s very personal.”

    This stuff cannot possibly be going on with other NFL teams where every word gets twisted and magnified ridiculously out of proportion.

    Really, the coach saying the issues with Gilbert is personal is that bad??

    @oldbrownsfan said:

    Really, the coach saying the issues with Gilbert is personal is that bad??

    Bad? No... but there were better statements, e.g., focusing on how he feels about Gilbert having a better 2015 or at minimum stopping after "I don't want to get into it." Once he said "personal", folks want to know. The statement ended up being catnip...

    @edwardejw said:

    Hoyer is scared. Ever since the injury, kaput, finis, frightened.

    Of the many potential issues Hoyer had, being scared was not on the list.

    @texasag1969 said:

    So would you take a DL and ILB as the first two?

    No, because there is not ILB worth the #19. But if the list is as thin at 19 as it might be, then a trade down (or two) might result in ILB value when our second pick finally happens.

    "When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196
  • Tour2maT Tour2ma

    @oldbrownsfan said:

    Really, the coach saying the issues with Gilbert is personal is that bad??

    Bad? No... but there were better statements, e.g., focusing on how he feels about Gilbert having a better 2015 or at minimum stopping after "I don't want to get into it." Once he said "personal", folks want to know. The statement ended up being catnip...

    @edwardejw said:

    Hoyer is scared. Ever since the injury, kaput, finis, frightened.

    Of the many potential issues Hoyer had, being scared was not on the list.

    @texasag1969 said:

    So would you take a DL and ILB as the first two?

    No, because there is not ILB worth the #19. But if the list is as thin at 19 as it might be, then a trade down (or two) might result in ILB value when our second pick finally happens.

    @tour2ma said:

    because there is not ILB worth the #19.

    Denzel Perryman, the best run stopper in the draft is worth the 19th pick

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  • WalterWhiteW WalterWhite

    @tour2ma said:

    because there is not ILB worth the #19.

    Denzel Perryman, the best run stopper in the draft is worth the 19th pick

    @walterwhite said:

    Denzel Perryman, the best run stopper in the draft is worth the 19th pick

    Kirksey will be fine in the role of ILB, he really started blossoming by the last 5 games. With Dansby coming back, I don't understand how the glaring needs of DL, OL, & WR are superseded by that of a run-stopper's talent.

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  • S secondwave

    @walterwhite said:

    Denzel Perryman, the best run stopper in the draft is worth the 19th pick

    Kirksey will be fine in the role of ILB, he really started blossoming by the last 5 games. With Dansby coming back, I don't understand how the glaring needs of DL, OL, & WR are superseded by that of a run-stopper's talent.

    @secondwave said:

    Kirksey will be fine in the role of ILB, he really started blossoming by the last 5 games. With Dansby coming back, I don't understand how the glaring needs of DL, OL, & WR are superseded by that of a run-stopper's talent.

    No, we can still use a LB....at least for depth if not for the future. Dansby is up there.

  • The GipperT The Gipper

    @secondwave said:

    Kirksey will be fine in the role of ILB, he really started blossoming by the last 5 games. With Dansby coming back, I don't understand how the glaring needs of DL, OL, & WR are superseded by that of a run-stopper's talent.

    No, we can still use a LB....at least for depth if not for the future. Dansby is up there.

    @the-gipper said:

    No, we can still use a LB....at least for depth if not for the future. Dansby is up there.

    at #19? I think we have more glaring needs, tbh.

    If Perryman fell in the 2nd round, different story.

  • If the top 3 DL's (Williams, Brown, Shelton) are gone and Collins or Peat is there at #12, I take either one. Collins looked very good at the combine today, just as he did in the senior bowl. But I doubt he will still be there.

  • Stop talking about the draft. This thread is to illustrate how I don't care who we draft until they start winning.

    Early man walked away as modern man took control. Their minds weren't all the same and to conquer was their goal. So He built his great empires and he slaughtered his own kind, and he died a confused man and killed himself in his own mind...

  • I've been reading these threads for awhile. Not excited about this years draft.

    "You planning on having a long relationship with that glass or are you going to drink it? Drink up, man. Maybe we can get another.” - Janis Joplin, 1970.
  • WalterWhiteW WalterWhite

    @tour2ma said:

    because there is not ILB worth the #19.

    Denzel Perryman, the best run stopper in the draft is worth the 19th pick

    @walterwhite said:

    Denzel Perryman, the best run stopper in the draft is worth the 19th pick

    I know you love him, Walter, but no, he's not

    @texasag1969 said:

    If the top 3 DL's (Williams, Brown, Shelton) are gone and Collins or Peat is there at #12, I take either one. Collins looked very good at the combine today, just as he did in the senior bowl. But I doubt he will still be there.

    Just not seeing what you are in Collins, Ag...

    On the other hand Peat has the weirdest body I think I've ever seen. Hard to believe he can move like he does with that much mass from the waist down. I think his picture is now in the dictionary next to "low center of gravity".

    Jake Fisher looked fantastic. Moved every bit as well as I thought he would and appeared bulkier. He helped himself immensely.

    And ya gotta love Ali "Where-the-fuck-is-Hobart" Marpet... no one helped himself more...

    @the-cysko-kid said:

    Stop talking about the draft. This thread is to illustrate how I don't care who we draft until they start winning.

    Don't look now, but your cart is in front of your horse...

    "When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196

  • No its not. Because just about everyone we've drafted in 15 years is a bum. The draft means nothing until those players can produce

    Early man walked away as modern man took control. Their minds weren't all the same and to conquer was their goal. So He built his great empires and he slaughtered his own kind, and he died a confused man and killed himself in his own mind...

  • time to get off the herron. all it does is bring everybody down.

  • You're free to not read this thread and make up some new fantasy land thread where the browns organization isn't completely lost in the woods

    Early man walked away as modern man took control. Their minds weren't all the same and to conquer was their goal. So He built his great empires and he slaughtered his own kind, and he died a confused man and killed himself in his own mind...

  • so, why are you still here if it makes you so miserable?

    i mean root for the team or not.

    i know if something is making me this crab-assed pissed i leave it alone and move on, not take it to my friends and make it their problem too.

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  • S secondwave

    @walterwhite said:

    Denzel Perryman, the best run stopper in the draft is worth the 19th pick

    Kirksey will be fine in the role of ILB, he really started blossoming by the last 5 games. With Dansby coming back, I don't understand how the glaring needs of DL, OL, & WR are superseded by that of a run-stopper's talent.

    @secondwave said:

    Kirksey will be fine in the role of ILB, he really started blossoming by the last 5 games. With Dansby coming back, I don't understand how the glaring needs of DL, OL, & WR are superseded by that of a run-stopper's talent.

    Agree on Kirksey. And I don't get all the Depth talk on the OL as a top pick, maybe OL 5,6 round. Our Glaring needs are at QB, Feature WR and a Run Stopper and Pass Rusher on top of a Jim Leonard says he's Retiring.. I do agree we must find better backup's on OL than what's on our roster but I hope we can find it in later rounds. You would hope Your 1st and 2nd round picks are starter's at needed positions. I don't see we need to see Greco or Schwartz starting on sidelines is needed. And Backup Talent Starting other Positions...

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  • miktoxicM miktoxic

    so, why are you still here if it makes you so miserable?

    i mean root for the team or not.

    i know if something is making me this crab-assed pissed i leave it alone and move on, not take it to my friends and make it their problem too.

    @miktoxic said:

    so, why are you still here if it makes you so miserable?

    i mean root for the team or not.

    i know if something is making me this crab-assed pissed i leave it alone and move on, not take it to my friends and make it their problem too.

    Do you understand the difference between miserable and apathetic? I'm here because I'm active on multiple different forums in this board

    Early man walked away as modern man took control. Their minds weren't all the same and to conquer was their goal. So He built his great empires and he slaughtered his own kind, and he died a confused man and killed himself in his own mind...

  • don't care dude.

    tired of all the bitching and moaning about the franchise.

    anyone that doesn't like the browns because they aren't living up to their expectations can always jump on the patriots bandwagon.

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  • For me as long as I believe the Browns are doing their best to get a winning team on the field I will support them. There is no good reason for the Browns to have been stuck in mediocrity for all these years. None. Not in the NFL that is geared towards parity.

    The people who mismanaged this team are gone. We have new people in place who are committed to winning.

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  • Cysco-sorry to keep pissing on your apathy with overwhelming optimism about now getting our value for the trade down last year. 10 picks with so many (6) in the first 4 rounds is exciting to me. A chance to really build from the inside out in what I think is a very deep draft across the board.

    Tour-Fisher did look great and I think all that speed and lateral quickness translates well in zone blocking movement schemes. This draft will be like a kid in a candy store for the Browns if they just don't f'n chase another QB.

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