Gipson pissed.
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Zombo said:
Browns use second-round tender on RFA Tashaun Gipson
Posted by Darin Gantt on March 9, 2015, 4:39 PM EDT
Getty ImagesWith the free agent safety market top-heavy and the draft class thin, the Browns made a move to keep the one they have.
Via Nate Ulrich of the Akron Beacon Journal, the Browns used the second-round level restricted free agent tender on safety Tashaun Gipson.
They also used the second-round RFA tender of $2.356 million on linebacker Craig Roberson, and the lower $1.542 million tender on special teamerJohnson Bademosi and nose tackle Ishmaa’ily Kitchen (both of whom were undrafted and would yield no compensation if signed away.
The Browns could have placed a first-round tender on Gipson and guaranteed to keep him another year, and it’s still likely they’re safe. But someone might be tempted to throw a second-round pick at a Pro Bowl safety.
Gipson was second in the league with six interceptions, despite a knee injury which cost him the final five games.
Why are we freaking out? If he signs with another team, they have to give us a second round pick? Seems like a pretty good gambit. I'm sure they did their research on this. He's a safety. Probably no need to protect him with a first round tender.
Zombo
Yup, guys like Gipson and TJ Ward grow on trees.
He's a rfa, how are we gonna lose him?......we get first rights to match any offer he receives(which Im betting we will do).....
2nd round tender seems pretty fair for an undrafted player with 2 good years in and a untested damaged knee
So the Browns are going cheap to let the "market" set the value. I'll take Gipson right now over any potential second round pick you care to name.
1.Glover Quin had more interceptions than Gipson this season, so you're already wrong. He's still consensus ranked behind Devin McCourty as the best FA safety this year...so it's safe to say that he's not viewed as the best overall FS. Could he be? We'll find out. But he's not currently.
2. Failing to overpay for someone that you love doesn't make this a poor FO. It just means that you're stupid...which you should be used to.
3. To you, frownie faces means alienation. Thank God you're not in any position of power, Capt. Overreaction.
4. If I did, I'd be your first.
The Browns have the right of first refusal, so the only risk in losing him is the risk in deciding to not match an offer. This way, they get to test the market value of Gipson and use that for contract negotiations. It's like saying "you think you're worth this much, I think you're worth something different...let's see what everyone else thinks."
Gipson isn't losing anything in this scenario. He's still going to get paid. Some team will come and offer a top-ten FS contract, which the Browns will likely match. Or some team will come in and offer a ridiculous contract, which the Browns won't match, and then Gipson gets ridiculous money.
Your constant spewing of random tweets as fact and your inability to think anything through is fucking annoying.
Yeah the Browns have the right of first refusal- but IMHO- Gipson (see above) is worth more than any first round safety in this year's draft. Net loss pal. Disrespect not using the first round tender. He's not worth it?
You let the market determine Gipson's value so when the Browns give him an offer they do not over pay. If a team throws some insane contract out there, the Browns can simply bow out and take their 2nd round pick.
And draft Kaluka Maiava with it.
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Zombo said:
Browns use second-round tender on RFA Tashaun Gipson
Posted by Darin Gantt on March 9, 2015, 4:39 PM EDTGetty ImagesWith the free agent safety market top-heavy and the draft class thin, the Browns made a move to keep the one they have.
Via Nate Ulrich of the Akron Beacon Journal, the Browns used the second-round level restricted free agent tender on safety Tashaun Gipson.
They also used the second-round RFA tender of $2.356 million on linebacker Craig Roberson, and the lower $1.542 million tender on special teamerJohnson Bademosi and nose tackle Ishmaa’ily Kitchen (both of whom were undrafted and would yield no compensation if signed away.
The Browns could have placed a first-round tender on Gipson and guaranteed to keep him another year, and it’s still likely they’re safe. But someone might be tempted to throw a second-round pick at a Pro Bowl safety.
Gipson was second in the league with six interceptions, despite a knee injury which cost him the final five games.
Why are we freaking out? If he signs with another team, they have to give us a second round pick? Seems like a pretty good gambit. I'm sure they did their research on this. He's a safety. Probably no need to protect him with a first round tender.
Zombo
Yup, guys like Gipson and TJ Ward grow on trees.
He's a rfa, how are we gonna lose him?......we get first rights to match any offer he receives(which Im betting we will do).....
2nd round tender seems pretty fair for an undrafted player with 2 good years in and a untested damaged knee
So the Browns are going cheap to let the "market" set the value. I'll take Gipson right now over any potential second round pick you care to name.
1.Glover Quin had more interceptions than Gipson this season, so you're already wrong. He's still consensus ranked behind Devin McCourty as the best FA safety this year...so it's safe to say that he's not viewed as the best overall FS. Could he be? We'll find out. But he's not currently.
2. Failing to overpay for someone that you love doesn't make this a poor FO. It just means that you're stupid...which you should be used to.
3. To you, frownie faces means alienation. Thank God you're not in any position of power, Capt. Overreaction.
4. If I did, I'd be your first.
The Browns have the right of first refusal, so the only risk in losing him is the risk in deciding to not match an offer. This way, they get to test the market value of Gipson and use that for contract negotiations. It's like saying "you think you're worth this much, I think you're worth something different...let's see what everyone else thinks."
Gipson isn't losing anything in this scenario. He's still going to get paid. Some team will come and offer a top-ten FS contract, which the Browns will likely match. Or some team will come in and offer a ridiculous contract, which the Browns won't match, and then Gipson gets ridiculous money.
Your constant spewing of random tweets as fact and your inability to think anything through is fucking annoying.
Yeah the Browns have the right of first refusal- but IMHO- Gipson (see above) is worth more than any first round safety in this year's draft. Net loss pal. Disrespect not using the first round tender. He's not worth it?
You let the market determine Gipson's value so when the Browns give him an offer they do not over pay. If a team throws some insane contract out there, the Browns can simply bow out and take their 2nd round pick.
And draft Kaluka Maiava with it.
Yup, guys like Gipson and TJ Ward grow on trees.
So the Browns are going cheap to let the "market" set the value. I'll take Gipson right now over any potential second round pick you care to name.
Yeah the Browns have the right of first refusal- but IMHO- Gipson (see above) is worth more than any first round safety in this year's draft. Net loss pal. Disrespect not using the first round tender. He's not worth it?
And draft Kaluka Maiava with it.
Using a first round tender would probably be the opposite of what Gipson would want, as it would cull the herd of offers back.
There's not very many teams that want to pay big bucks AND lose a first round pick.
I'm awesome, and I fuck dolphins. Ghoolie 12/2/2012: I have absolutely no skills, training or pride -
I'd rather have the guy with more tackles, passes defended, int's, and TD's but what I do know?
I'd rather have the guy with more tackles, passes defended, int's, and TD's but what I do know?
I'd rather have the guy who's been consistently better for consistently longer. I'd rather have the guy who has over twice as many tackles per game. I'd rather have the two time All-Pro who's only two years older. And so would the Super Bowl-winning Patriots, apparently...and I think their opinion is a little (read: much, much, much) better than yours.
You asked what you know, and the answer is simple...very little.
Once again, the argument was who's the consensus better player...and its overwhelmingly McCourty. I'll gladly wait while you find someone, anyone, who's said better. Until then, go back to the kid's table you feeble-minded pussy.
Come back when you want to get bitch slapped with more truth.
Here's the part where you tell me that it doesn't matter what anyone else says, especially not some suit in some stuffy executive office, you know the Gipson is better because you have eyes. Then you'll call me blind, or a fool, or Retarded, or something of the ilk if I can't see that.
Thanks for playing.
I'd rather have the guy who's been consistently better for consistently longer.
hahahahaha no shit you dumb fuck. He's been in the NFL 2 years longer.
He also has the pleasure of playing on the best organization of the decade.
Once again, punched in your fucking gums with facts and logic, fuck boy
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Way to go Farmer you fucking bitch faggot. Look at Gipsons last 2 tweets. It's shit like this that bothers the fuck to of me.
Jesus Christ this organization is embarrassing. No wonder no one wants to play here.
We have all this FUCKING MONEY and can't even resign the best FS in the NFL to fair compensation
Way to go Farmer you fucking bitch faggot. Look at Gipsons last 2 tweets. It's shit like this that bothers the fuck to of me.
Jesus Christ this organization is embarrassing. No wonder no one wants to play here.
We have all this FUCKING MONEY and can't even resign the best FS in the NFL to fair compensation
Bro, lay off the Monster energy drinks. You think we are a joke, have you seen the chaotic shit going on out here in California. The SF 49's are literally imploding and they were a playoff team. While i Iove Gipson, he had 1 good year and was hurt. If he can have another year like he did when healthy, then pay the man. But this makes a smart GM decision, he was a FREAKING UDFA, but we still tagged him as a 2nd, we get the last bite at the apple to keep him, if some insane GM wants to over pay him, fine we get another 2nd. This makes great business sense, if he does come thru and we pay him CA$H hommie all is forgotten. Chill My brother, its actually nice to see common sense from our front office.
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It's Gipson's fault that he wasn't good enough to get drafted out of college. He knew all along what restricted free agency is like and the Browns made the right move.
Let the market determine his worth and if you feel like that's fair value, you match the offer.
Walter, you complain about the Packers and Patriots resigning their players, yet this is exactly what they did. The Packers let Cobb test the market to gauge his value and then resigned him. They risk losing Bulaga because of the same thing. The Patriots let McCourty hit the market and then matched the offer that was on the table. Both teams relied on the player's willingness to resign with his original team. If Gipson wants to stay with the Browns than all he has to do is sign an offer sheet which he thinks is fair and then hope the Browns match it.
As an organization you have to determine what a player is worth to you and stick to that. That's how teams like the Packers and Patriots stay consistently at the top.
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Much Ado About Nothing-WS In the end of the play all is well.
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Well if he's pissed off I'd say tough shit pal.
Do your job to the best of your ability and when you are finally an unrestricted free agent then someone will pay you 30 million dollars a game.
If they believe that's what you're worth.
I suppose every guy on the team would like to be the highest paid player at his position in the league.
WSS
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I'd rather have the guy who's been consistently better for consistently longer.
hahahahaha no shit you dumb fuck. He's been in the NFL 2 years longer.
He also has the pleasure of playing on the best organization of the decade.
Once again, punched in your fucking gums with facts and logic, fuck boy
hahahahaha no shit you dumb fuck. He's been in the NFL 2 years longer.
He also has the pleasure of playing on the best organization of the decade.
Once again, punched in your fucking gums with facts and logic, fuck boy
So 100% longer than Gipson.
Twice as long is consistently longer.
Just like my dick is consistently longer than yours.
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Yup, guys like Gipson and TJ Ward grow on trees.
So the Browns are going cheap to let the "market" set the value. I'll take Gipson right now over any potential second round pick you care to name.
Yeah the Browns have the right of first refusal- but IMHO- Gipson (see above) is worth more than any first round safety in this year's draft. Net loss pal. Disrespect not using the first round tender. He's not worth it?
And draft Kaluka Maiava with it.
Using a first round tender would probably be the opposite of what Gipson would want, as it would cull the herd of offers back.
There's not very many teams that want to pay big bucks AND lose a first round pick.
Using a first round tender would probably be the opposite of what Gipson would want, as it would cull the herd of offers back.
There's not very many teams that want to pay big bucks AND lose a first round pick.
I agree the first round tender would have cut his throat in terms of getting other offers.....with a starting price of a first round pick, plus $3m plus, I doubt that many teams would even consider making an offer,,,,
But the second round tender makes him a better value....which means he'll get more offers.....which means he'll get a higher contract....
People keep talking like we are gonna let him go for a second round pick, which seems ridiculous to me......why would we let him go??
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People always going to freak around here.
In 2013 it was renowned NFL expert Mike H. (and others) throwing a shit fit because Skrine and Gipson were "garbage" and we didn't address replacing them in the draft or free agency and we had made a grave, grave error trading a fourth round pick to to the Steelers, who drafted S Shamarko Thomas, while we stashed a third for the next year.
Now, after the Browns stuck by Gipson, he turned into a Prop Bowler and people are freaking out because we are doing the correct thing and setting the market for him, other than throwing bushels of money at him before we have to. And others are freaking out because we haven't re-signed Skrine, who also turned into a good player.
Gipson will back. Skrine was a valuable player, now someone is going to give him starter money, whereas we have Johnny Gilbert who we want to develop into the starter and D Williams, who was a find, who can play the slot at a high level much, much cheaper than Skrine.
And if anyone sees Mike H. out there, fell free to remind him that Shamarko Thomas's next interception will be first, while Gipson has more than anybody since Thomas has been in the league.
Zombo
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Using a first round tender would probably be the opposite of what Gipson would want, as it would cull the herd of offers back.
There's not very many teams that want to pay big bucks AND lose a first round pick.
I agree the first round tender would have cut his throat in terms of getting other offers.....with a starting price of a first round pick, plus $3m plus, I doubt that many teams would even consider making an offer,,,,
But the second round tender makes him a better value....which means he'll get more offers.....which means he'll get a higher contract....
People keep talking like we are gonna let him go for a second round pick, which seems ridiculous to me......why would we let him go??
I agree the first round tender would have cut his throat in terms of getting other offers.....with a starting price of a first round pick, plus $3m plus, I doubt that many teams would even consider making an offer,,,,
But the second round tender makes him a better value....which means he'll get more offers.....which means he'll get a higher contract....
People keep talking like we are gonna let him go for a second round pick, which seems ridiculous to me......why would we let him go??
That's what I was saying. The first round tender is the opposite of what he'd want if he were looking to get paid. The second round tender will bring him the best value in terms of potential offers from other teams.
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It's Gipson's fault that he wasn't good enough to get drafted out of college. He knew all along what restricted free agency is like and the Browns made the right move.
Let the market determine his worth and if you feel like that's fair value, you match the offer.
Walter, you complain about the Packers and Patriots resigning their players, yet this is exactly what they did. The Packers let Cobb test the market to gauge his value and then resigned him. They risk losing Bulaga because of the same thing. The Patriots let McCourty hit the market and then matched the offer that was on the table. Both teams relied on the player's willingness to resign with his original team. If Gipson wants to stay with the Browns than all he has to do is sign an offer sheet which he thinks is fair and then hope the Browns match it.
As an organization you have to determine what a player is worth to you and stick to that. That's how teams like the Packers and Patriots stay consistently at the top.
It's Gipson's fault that he wasn't good enough to get drafted out of college. He knew all along what restricted free agency is like and the Browns made the right move.
Let the market determine his worth and if you feel like that's fair value, you match the offer.
Walter, you complain about the Packers and Patriots resigning their players, yet this is exactly what they did. The Packers let Cobb test the market to gauge his value and then resigned him. They risk losing Bulaga because of the same thing. The Patriots let McCourty hit the market and then matched the offer that was on the table. Both teams relied on the player's willingness to resign with his original team. If Gipson wants to stay with the Browns than all he has to do is sign an offer sheet which he thinks is fair and then hope the Browns match it.
As an organization you have to determine what a player is worth to you and stick to that. That's how teams like the Packers and Patriots stay consistently at the top.
Isn't that basically what the Browns did with Alex Mack last year?
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People always going to freak around here.
In 2013 it was renowned NFL expert Mike H. (and others) throwing a shit fit because Skrine and Gipson were "garbage" and we didn't address replacing them in the draft or free agency and we had made a grave, grave error trading a fourth round pick to to the Steelers, who drafted S Shamarko Thomas, while we stashed a third for the next year.
Now, after the Browns stuck by Gipson, he turned into a Prop Bowler and people are freaking out because we are doing the correct thing and setting the market for him, other than throwing bushels of money at him before we have to. And others are freaking out because we haven't re-signed Skrine, who also turned into a good player.
Gipson will back. Skrine was a valuable player, now someone is going to give him starter money, whereas we have Johnny Gilbert who we want to develop into the starter and D Williams, who was a find, who can play the slot at a high level much, much cheaper than Skrine.
And if anyone sees Mike H. out there, fell free to remind him that Shamarko Thomas's next interception will be first, while Gipson has more than anybody since Thomas has been in the league.
Zombo
Zombo said:
People always going to freak around here.
In 2013 it was renowned NFL expert Mike H. (and others) throwing a shit fit because Skrine and Gipson were "garbage" and we didn't address replacing them in the draft or free agency and we had made a grave, grave error trading a fourth round pick to to the Steelers, who drafted S Shamarko Thomas, while we stashed a third for the next year.
Now, after the Browns stuck by Gipson, he turned into a Prop Bowler and people are freaking out because we are doing the correct thing and setting the market for him, other than throwing bushels of money at him before we have to. And others are freaking out because we haven't re-signed Skrine, who also turned into a good player.
Gipson will back. Skrine was a valuable player, now someone is going to give him starter money, whereas we have Johnny Gilbert who we want to develop into the starter and D Williams, who was a find, who can play the slot at a high level much, much cheaper than Skrine.
And if anyone sees Mike H. out there, fell free to remind him that Shamarko Thomas's next interception will be first, while Gipson has more than anybody since Thomas has been in the league.
Zombo
I remember Mike H. whining about Gipson.
And the Vag singing the praises of "The Shark"....how he would be the shit. Does he even start in Pisstown? Is he even still on the team?
Besides the Ints, Gipson does well in support against the run.
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It's Gipson's fault that he wasn't good enough to get drafted out of college. He knew all along what restricted free agency is like and the Browns made the right move.
Let the market determine his worth and if you feel like that's fair value, you match the offer.
Walter, you complain about the Packers and Patriots resigning their players, yet this is exactly what they did. The Packers let Cobb test the market to gauge his value and then resigned him. They risk losing Bulaga because of the same thing. The Patriots let McCourty hit the market and then matched the offer that was on the table. Both teams relied on the player's willingness to resign with his original team. If Gipson wants to stay with the Browns than all he has to do is sign an offer sheet which he thinks is fair and then hope the Browns match it.
As an organization you have to determine what a player is worth to you and stick to that. That's how teams like the Packers and Patriots stay consistently at the top.
Isn't that basically what the Browns did with Alex Mack last year?
Isn't that basically what the Browns did with Alex Mack last year?
We spent most of yesterday afternoon trying to explain that to Wally....but it was easier for him to keep his panties all bunched up and overreact like a little whiny bitch.
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Zombo said:
People always going to freak around here.
In 2013 it was renowned NFL expert Mike H. (and others) throwing a shit fit because Skrine and Gipson were "garbage" and we didn't address replacing them in the draft or free agency and we had made a grave, grave error trading a fourth round pick to to the Steelers, who drafted S Shamarko Thomas, while we stashed a third for the next year.
Now, after the Browns stuck by Gipson, he turned into a Prop Bowler and people are freaking out because we are doing the correct thing and setting the market for him, other than throwing bushels of money at him before we have to. And others are freaking out because we haven't re-signed Skrine, who also turned into a good player.
Gipson will back. Skrine was a valuable player, now someone is going to give him starter money, whereas we have Johnny Gilbert who we want to develop into the starter and D Williams, who was a find, who can play the slot at a high level much, much cheaper than Skrine.
And if anyone sees Mike H. out there, fell free to remind him that Shamarko Thomas's next interception will be first, while Gipson has more than anybody since Thomas has been in the league.
Zombo
I remember Mike H. whining about Gipson.
And the Vag singing the praises of "The Shark"....how he would be the shit. Does he even start in Pisstown? Is he even still on the team?
Besides the Ints, Gipson does well in support against the run.
I remember Mike H. whining about Gipson.
And the Vag singing the praises of "The Shark"....how he would be the shit. Does he even start in Pisstown? Is he even still on the team?
Besides the Ints, Gipson does well in support against the run.
"The Shark" has started one game in two years. But he may start this year if they get the balls to cut Polymumu.
Not sure which third round pick was theirs, but we got Kirksey and West in the thrid round last year and they look like big-time contrbutors for years to come.
Zombo
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This whole thing is funny. Gipson posted a line of "neutral" or "mellow" faces on his Twitter account...
Not exactly "angry," or "pissed" as per the title of this thread... He's probably thinking the same thing as most of us... sure, the 2nd round tender ($2.35MIL) means he gets $1Mil less (than a 1st round tender) this year if he doesn't get an offer, but he also is more likely to get an offer, which he probably knows the Browns will sign anyway...
I doubt he's going around his apartment flipping over his furniture and punching holes in the wall... I'd be more worried if I saw
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I have literally no idea what this thread is about.
Browns can match every offer.. and if Browns choose to match, WE KEEP HIM.
Browns get a 2nd round pick if they choose not to match.
This thread is similar to the know-nothingness of washington R's messaging Iran and demonstrating that they don't know their own process for signing treaties.
This isn't an issue, people. Nothing to see here. Gipson is not pissed - because this isn't a thing.
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I have literally no idea what this thread is about.
Browns can match every offer.. and if Browns choose to match, WE KEEP HIM.
Browns get a 2nd round pick if they choose not to match.
This thread is similar to the know-nothingness of washington R's messaging Iran and demonstrating that they don't know their own process for signing treaties.
This isn't an issue, people. Nothing to see here. Gipson is not pissed - because this isn't a thing.
I have literally no idea what this thread is about.
Browns can match every offer.. and if Browns choose to match, WE KEEP HIM.
Browns get a 2nd round pick if they choose not to match.
This thread is similar to the know-nothingness of washington R's messaging Iran and demonstrating that they don't know their own process for signing treaties.
This isn't an issue, people. Nothing to see here. Gipson is not pissed - because this isn't a thing.
Exactly.
It's just some pissy little child throwing a hissy fit.
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