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Charles Clay visits Browns after Bills

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  • Browns_Fucking_RuleB Browns_Fucking_Rule wrote on
    #1

    I'm not exactly sure what he would cost us since he was transition tagged... but seems like a good addition to pick up.

    Any thoughts?

    http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000477860/article/visits-tracker-cj-spiller-to-meet-with-saints

    Tour2maT 1 Reply
  • MudflyM Mudfly wrote on
    #2

    Id take him for sure.....

  • thenew23T thenew23 wrote on
    #3

    Flip said in an interview he wanted a "F-back" as he called it, much like Marcell Reese in Oakland. Clay would fit that position perfectly, and he is young and talented. I'd pay him more than Cameron right now b/c I think he can do so much more for our team, in terms of versatility... We would need to give him top 5 TE money, but he would probably be worth it, particularly given the state of our offense currently...

    #Justsayin'
  • L LondonBrown wrote on
    #4

    He's been our number one target all along apparently

    The GipperT 1 Reply
  • Browns_Fucking_RuleB Browns_Fucking_Rule

    I'm not exactly sure what he would cost us since he was transition tagged... but seems like a good addition to pick up.

    Any thoughts?

    http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000477860/article/visits-tracker-cj-spiller-to-meet-with-saints

    Tour2maT Tour2ma wrote on
    #5

    @browns_fucking_rule said:

    I'm not exactly sure what he would cost us since he was transition tagged... but seems like a good addition to pick up.

    Any thoughts?

    http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000477860/article/visits-tracker-cj-spiller-to-meet-with-saints

    • A transition player has received a minimum offer of the average of the top 10 salaries of last season at the player's position or 120 percent of the player's previous year's salary, whichever is greater.

    • A transition player designation gives the club a first-refusal right to match within seven days an offer sheet given to the player by another club after his contract expires. If the club matches, it retains the player. If it does not match, it receives no compensation. Transition players can be signed from March 3 through July 22.

    I like him and since he was a FB in college it's easy to see the H-back fit, but not seeing top five TE money here.

    Clay just seems tweener-ish to me. Not tall and fast enough to be with the elite TE pass catchers and not big and strong enough to be with the elite, well-rounded TEs.

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  • MudflyM Mudfly wrote on
    #6

    and, although he has a transition tag, it's looking like Miami is out of $$$$ now....so they probably cant keep him even if they want to

    thenew23T The GipperT 2 Replies
  • MudflyM Mudfly

    and, although he has a transition tag, it's looking like Miami is out of $$$$ now....so they probably cant keep him even if they want to

    thenew23T thenew23 wrote on
    #7

    @mudfly said:

    and, although he has a transition tag, it's looking like Miami is out of $$$$ now....so they probably cant keep him even if they want to

    Right, shouldn't be hard to get him to sign a front-loaded contract that they can't pull off after the Suh signing... I hope it works out...

    #Justsayin'
  • Browns_Fucking_RuleB Browns_Fucking_Rule wrote on
    #8

    Ah thanks for that explanation Tour.

    Seems like a pretty productive player despite his speed and size limitations.

  • L LondonBrown

    He's been our number one target all along apparently

    The GipperT The Gipper wrote on
    #9

    @londonbrown said:

    He's been our number one target all along apparently

  • Tour2maT Tour2ma wrote on
    #10

    Your welcome... got info from answer.com.

    Yeah no slouch, but not elite... Forgot to mention that Clay has a fairly low drop rate at 3.6%... same as Dray.

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  • MudflyM Mudfly

    and, although he has a transition tag, it's looking like Miami is out of $$$$ now....so they probably cant keep him even if they want to

    The GipperT The Gipper wrote on
    #11

    @mudfly said:

    and, although he has a transition tag, it's looking like Miami is out of $$$$ now....so they probably cant keep him even if they want to

    Where do you get the dope on those figures?

  • MudflyM Mudfly wrote on
    #12

    there are a number of articles relating how bad the dolphins $$$ issues are...but here is a link thats kept up to speed for the most prt...

    http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/cap/2015/

  • MudflyM Mudfly

    there are a number of articles relating how bad the dolphins $$$ issues are...but here is a link thats kept up to speed for the most prt...

    http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/cap/2015/

    The GipperT The Gipper wrote on
    #13

    @mudfly said:

    there are a number of articles relating how bad the dolphins $$$ issues are...but here is a link thats kept up to speed for the most prt...

    http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/cap/2015/

    I could not tell if that represented the current situation after the last few days of signing or not. Per that it did seem to imply that the Dolphins still had about 6 Million in cap room...third least. Browns had 3rd most.

  • Opal312O Opal312 wrote on
    #14

    If Miami is out of money then how are they going to sign Jordan Cameron? I hope Cameron re-signs with the Browns and we draft a big tight end. We still have the most picks of any team. By the way, I read on ESPN that Chip Kelly is not fooling anyone when he says that "a team" offered him a first round pick for Bradford. If anyone team was that interested they would have dealt directly with St. Louis before the trade. So Chip Kelly is up to something. Just hope the Browns aren't foolish enough to trade their two picks for a guy who has only proven his knees are trashed.

    DAMN THE TORPEDOES! FULL SPEED AHEAD!
  • Opal312O Opal312

    If Miami is out of money then how are they going to sign Jordan Cameron? I hope Cameron re-signs with the Browns and we draft a big tight end. We still have the most picks of any team. By the way, I read on ESPN that Chip Kelly is not fooling anyone when he says that "a team" offered him a first round pick for Bradford. If anyone team was that interested they would have dealt directly with St. Louis before the trade. So Chip Kelly is up to something. Just hope the Browns aren't foolish enough to trade their two picks for a guy who has only proven his knees are trashed.

    The GipperT The Gipper wrote on
    #15

    @opal312 said:

    If Miami is out of money then how are they going to sign Jordan Cameron? I hope Cameron re-signs with the Browns and we draft a big tight end. We still have the most picks of any team. By the way, I read on ESPN that Chip Kelly is not fooling anyone when he says that "a team" offered him a first round pick for Bradford. If anyone team was that interested they would have dealt directly with St. Louis before the trade. So Chip Kelly is up to something. Just hope the Browns aren't foolish enough to trade their two picks for a guy who has only proven his knees are trashed.

    What makes anyone think that we are having any dealings with the Eagles at all?

    Just because we are the only team with 2 first rounders? Just because Kelly would like to get his hands on Mariota?

    It is not the Browns he needs to deal with for that.

    WTF can they give us or WTF can we give them that would net them Mariota.

    Besides....Kelly is going all in for a different offense. They just acquired DeMarco Murray.

  • MudflyM Mudfly wrote on
    #16

    Miami has enough to basically sign one mid range guy @ $5-6m....which is about what Cameron/Clay could draw....

    so, just as an example......we could sign clay to a 3yr - $15 million contract...front loaded ....like this....

    year 1 = $ 7million (all guaranteed)....which Miami cant match

    year 2 = $ 4 million

    year 3 = $ 4 million

    so, it's about structuring it right, cause anything over $6 mil and Miami is out......

  • MudflyM Mudfly

    Miami has enough to basically sign one mid range guy @ $5-6m....which is about what Cameron/Clay could draw....

    so, just as an example......we could sign clay to a 3yr - $15 million contract...front loaded ....like this....

    year 1 = $ 7million (all guaranteed)....which Miami cant match

    year 2 = $ 4 million

    year 3 = $ 4 million

    so, it's about structuring it right, cause anything over $6 mil and Miami is out......

    The GipperT The Gipper wrote on
    #17

    @mudfly said:

    Miami has enough to basically sign one mid range guy @ $5-6m....which is about what Cameron/Clay could draw....

    so, just as an example......we could sign clay to a 3yr - $15 million contract...front loaded ....like this....

    year 1 = $ 7million (all guaranteed)....which Miami cant match

    year 2 = $ 4 million

    year 3 = $ 4 million

    so, it's about structuring it right, cause anything over $6 mil and Miami is out......

    Is this guy worth that?.....not that I care about the money.....just the effect the money has to the cap and other opportunities.

  • The GipperT The Gipper

    @mudfly said:

    Miami has enough to basically sign one mid range guy @ $5-6m....which is about what Cameron/Clay could draw....

    so, just as an example......we could sign clay to a 3yr - $15 million contract...front loaded ....like this....

    year 1 = $ 7million (all guaranteed)....which Miami cant match

    year 2 = $ 4 million

    year 3 = $ 4 million

    so, it's about structuring it right, cause anything over $6 mil and Miami is out......

    Is this guy worth that?.....not that I care about the money.....just the effect the money has to the cap and other opportunities.

    MudflyM Mudfly wrote on
    #18

    @the-gipper said:

    Is this guy worth that?.....not that I care about the money.....just the effect the money has to the cap and other opportunities.

    I think he probably is,....not a 10 mil guy and not a 2 mil guy....bottom line, if he and Cameron are both going to get $5m a year, then Id rather spend my 5 on Clay.......

    and, considering our excess funds this year, the front loaded/declining contract will work to our advantage going forward...

  • MudflyM Mudfly

    @the-gipper said:

    Is this guy worth that?.....not that I care about the money.....just the effect the money has to the cap and other opportunities.

    I think he probably is,....not a 10 mil guy and not a 2 mil guy....bottom line, if he and Cameron are both going to get $5m a year, then Id rather spend my 5 on Clay.......

    and, considering our excess funds this year, the front loaded/declining contract will work to our advantage going forward...

    The GipperT The Gipper wrote on
    #19

    @mudfly said:

    I think he probably is,....not a 10 mil guy and not a 2 mil guy....bottom line, if he and Cameron are both going to get $5m a year, then Id rather spend my 5 on Clay.......

    and, considering our excess funds this year, the front loaded/declining contract will work to our advantage going forward...

    OK, brilliant....that cold knock Miami out of it.....but who else is in the hunt for him?

  • MudflyM Mudfly wrote on
    #20

    I think it's us or Buffalo....

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