Rogers Unhappy?

EERSandBROWNS

As much as Eric Mangini has tried to change the culture in Cleveland, one of his biggest challenges now is changing the mind of Browns defensive tackle Shaun Rogers.
Rogers has grown so disenchanted with the situation in Cleveland that he has asked the Browns not to pick up the $6 million option-bonus payment due to him next month, a source close to the defensive tackle said. Rogers would rather be released after one season with the Browns, despite still being owed another $15 million in guaranteed money.

The Browns said Rogers hasn't asked them to be released.

Cutting Rogers would be difficult to do financially. If the Browns release Rogers, they would have to count more than $9.7 million against their salary cap.

Cleveland has no intention of getting rid of Rogers. It wants him back as the productive team member he was last season, when he was selected to the Pro Bowl. Browns coach Eric Mangini, according to those within the Cleveland organization, is still optimistic that he can change Rogers' mind once the two men speak. Mangini is said to have recently reached out to Rogers. Those who know Rogers say his mind will not be changed.

But Mangini has had success in these types of settings. When he arrived in New York as the Jets' coach in 2006, wide receiver Laveranues Coles was, at best, a skeptic, but Mangini eventually won him over.

Mangini has said publicly that when change occurs, as it did in Cleveland, there is uncertainty and that can create misunderstandings like the one that has happened now.

Some of Rogers' feelings stem back to two offseason incidents in which he believes Mangini disrespected him. The first time, Mangini walked into the Browns' training room and failed to say hello to Rogers. The next time, at a public charity function in which both men were in the green room, neither said hello to the other, and Mangini later said he didn't know Rogers was there.

"Anytime someone new comes in, there's a process of getting to know that person," Mangini said Feb. 4. "I feel really comfortable with who I am and the things I do. I know that everything is done for a very specific reason and that is to give us the best chance to win. I feel really good about the relationships that I had in New York with the players there. I think that the things that they have said are things I feel really good about. I anticipate having those same types of relationships here."

The Browns believe that, once Rogers hears out Mangini, the same will occur. The situation will be soothed over, hard feelings will dissipate and Cleveland will have a happy defensive tackle.

"I didn't realize Shaun was there at the time," Mangini said earlier this offseason of the green-room incident. "I know it's probably hard to believe considering how big he is and how big I am. I feel really good about watching him on tape. I always appreciate 360-pound nose guards. He's powerful, disruptive, has a high motor, and I’m looking forward to that."

Some believe there are other reasons driving Rogers' desire to leave the Browns. But before the situation is resolved, Mangini will have his say with the player whose mind he now must change.

EERSandBROWNS

He's not getting released no matter what. We can't take a nearly 10 million dollar cap hit. So, either its gets fixed (hoping), he gets traded, or we're stuck with a lazy DL who could care less.

? mz.

All I can say is %#^&*(*^$#%&!

ClevelandFanForLife

we definitely need rodgers. i knew that this problem with snubbing rodgers would come back to bite us in the ass. mangina is such an asshole. im tired of his bullshit already

calfoxwc

Rodgers is a big guy. He could have walked over to Mangini and introduced himself, could have joked that he didn't want

to not be noticed because of his size...

My guess is, he's very loyal to Crennel, and wasn't happy that Crennel lost his job as head coach.

Crennel is plenty a terrific guy, give him a personel liason job with the Browns.

EERSandBROWNS

@calfoxwc said:
Rodgers is a big guy. He could have walked over to Mangini and introduced himself, could have joked that he didn't want
to not be noticed because of his size...

My guess is, he's very loyal to Crennel, and wasn't happy that Crennel lost his job as head coach.

Crennel is plenty a terrific guy, give him a personel liason job with the Browns.

An article I read in the last week (can't remember where it was from) said the Chiefs had offered a job to Crennel in the same mold that Mangini is hoping he will stay in Cleveland on. If that is the case, hopefully Romeo will come back. I personally would love to have Romeo back. He may not have been a great coach, but he knows football and the players loved him.

Koa

It's not the best idea to give Crennel any type of position within the organization. Obviously he's built a rapport with some of the player's and his presence could create locker room division. We don't need that.

? 88fingerslewy

Rogers getting blown off, that's a good one.

Before the Dallas game I was at Morton's and saw him with a table of 6 or 7 other homies.

I wanted to get an autograph for my kids.

So out of respect, I waited until they were done their dinners and the table was clear.

I didn't walk up to him or get in his face.

I caught his eye from about 10 feet away and showed him a couple of napkins with a pen, I gave him a grin and made a scribble motion.

The prick blows me off....as I'm walking away he makes a crack to his buddies and they all had a good laugh.

Yep, real class guy. I'd bet if that were Joe Thomas or Joe J or Eric S, they would have signed a couple of napkins.

It's not like he wanted privacy either, he was at the biggest table in the place....center stage.

Ya I know, the guys a monster. Whatever.

Alendor

yep, the loyalty he has will only cause problems

calfoxwc

Or, Crennel is the solid good guy that would create continuity and those keep those disgruntled players on board

with a solid attitude.

Who knows, that's just my guess. I think it's a great idea.

That was a stupid arse move by Rodgers. Draft Raji and trade Rodgers for two first round picks or something.

Solon16

@clevelandfanforlife said:
we definitely need rodgers. i knew that this problem with snubbing rodgers would come back to bite us in the ass. mangina is such an asshole. im tired of his bullshit already

WHAT????????????? only in Cleveland...are you secretly ghoolie or Rich4eagle?

NebBrownsFan

@clevelandfanforlife said:
we definitely need rodgers. i knew that this problem with snubbing rodgers would come back to bite us in the ass. mangina is such an asshole. im tired of his bullshit already

You're seriously blaming Mangini for Rogers being a big-ass crybaby? What the hell was wrong with Rogers going and talking to him? xxxx Rogers and his ego. He pulled this shit in Detroit also, yet its Mangini's fault?

Mr. T

Dont believe everything you read, You would have to be blind if you didn't see Rogers in the green room.

He probably was hiding behind the Krispy Kreme boxes

JewDago

here's what we can learn from all this: rogers is a sensitive pussy who needs to be coddled and will whine and bitch if he feels in any way slighted and will let personal shit detrimentally affect his play, and mangini is an insensitive prick who doesn't understand that some players don't respond to being challenged by an authoritarian.

mangini obviously thinks it's rogers' job to impress him, while rogers thinks it's the other way around. this can only end badly.

ClevelandFanForLife

@nebbrownsfan said:
You're seriously blaming Mangini for Rogers being a big-ass crybaby? What the hell was wrong with Rogers going and talking to him? xxxx Rogers and his ego. He pulled this shit in Detroit also, yet its Mangini's fault?

i don't mean to say that rodgers is innocent. he may be totally in the wrong here. i think i will just always take sides against mangina because i didn't want him as a coach. i still think jim haslett was a better choice.

ClevelandFanForLife

@solon16 said:
WHAT????????????? only in Cleveland...are you secretly ghoolie or Rich4eagle?

no i am not rich... i have testicles

HowieDawg

@jewdago said:
here's what we can learn from all this: rogers is a sensitive pussy who needs to be coddled and will whine and bitch if he feels in any way slighted and will let personal shit detrimentally affect his play, and mangini is an insensitive prick who doesn't understand that some players don't respond to being challenged by an authoritarian.
mangini obviously thinks it's rogers' job to impress him, while rogers thinks it's the other way around. this can only end badly.

For my money, spot on!

kshutchins

Apparently the astronomy department at Texas managed to avoid Shaun Rogers' notice. (Maybe it isn't big enough.) Clearly he still thinks the universe revolves around him. Not a very classy attitude, IMO.

DieHardBrownsFan

@clevelandfanforlife said:
we definitely need rodgers. i knew that this problem with snubbing rodgers would come back to bite us in the ass. mangina is such an asshole. im tired of his bullshit already

WTF are you talking about? Give the new Coach a chance nimrod. Get the defeatist Cleveland attitude the fook out of here. Rodgers is the one with an attitude.

Riffer X

@kshutchins said:
Apparently the astronomy department at Texas managed to avoid Shaun Rogers' notice. (Maybe it isn't big enough.) Clearly he still thinks the universe revolves around him. Not a very classy attitude, IMO.

The guys story above about his actions at the restaurant are eerily reminiscent of Gerard Warren's behavior while he was here.

I think we all need to reserve judgement until we have something to really go on. There's going to be some natural backlash about RAC's firing and a racial chip for awhile until they figure out this is football and the way it is. It's the NFL and coaches are not supposed to be father figures or big brothers.