Same ole stuff
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Anyone who thinks the browns draft stunk is in the minority...I mean a serious minority.
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Since Belichick and the gone years we the Browns keep doing dumb. Cannot figure out why the same losing strategy just keeps on going and going and going.
This team and it's fans still think the loser now mantra of defense wins championships and it starts in the trenches wins
WELL IT HAS BEEN A LOSING STRATEGY NOW FOR !6 YEARS AND WE ARE AT IT AGAIN
Sad draft...........we have not a single player who is a playmaker that scores points so another year of getting our ass kicked is another ho hum more dumbness
Cannot be more disappointed is NOT PICKING A SINGLE GAME STRETCHER PLAYMAKER
Since Belichick and the gone years we the Browns keep doing dumb. Cannot figure out why the same losing strategy just keeps on going and going and going.
This team and it's fans still think the loser now mantra of defense wins championships and it starts in the trenches wins
WELL IT HAS BEEN A LOSING STRATEGY NOW FOR !6 YEARS AND WE ARE AT IT AGAIN
Sad draft...........we have not a single player who is a playmaker that scores points so another year of getting our ass kicked is another ho hum more dumbness
Cannot be more disappointed is NOT PICKING A SINGLE GAME STRETCHER PLAYMAKER
Duke Johnson could be a bigger version of Greg Pruitt/Eric Metcalf. Isn't that playmaker sufficient for you?
Besides Brady Quinn was supposed to be Tom Brady Jr., then Brandon Weeden was supposed to be Eli Manning Jr., and Manziel was supposed to be Russell Wilson Jr. And Trent Richardson was supposed to be Adrian Peterson.
So, you see Rich....the Browns did it your way.....and FUCKED it up royal. So now lets see what they can do. One of their best playmakers in history was a 13th round choice.....maybe that will happen again.
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Same ol stuff huh. Kinda like last year when we improved from a four win team to something that resembled a football team
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Same ol stuff huh. Kinda like last year when we improved from a four win team to something that resembled a football team
Same ol stuff huh. Kinda like last year when we improved from a four win team to something that resembled a football team
But we didn't have a shiny new receiver or quarterback to do it...therefore the Browns are stupid. Everybody knows this.
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rich is a steeler fan who has convinced some that he really is a browns fan, comes in once or twice a year to stir the shit pot then runs to the hills (of PA that is...)
No Mik- I've met Rich on several occasions- he really is a Browns fan, though him and Ghoolie have a rather warped view of the value of offensive and defensive linemen.
Rich doesn't like to admit a few years back the #1 WR in the NFL won us all of four games.
No Mik- I've met Rich on several occasions- he really is a Browns fan, though him and Ghoolie have a rather warped view of the value of offensive and defensive linemen.
Rich doesn't like to admit a few years back the #1 WR in the NFL won us all of four games.
The other thing that perhaps Rich doesn't realize.....since he is a halftime Steeler fan.....that the Browns are doing it exactly the way the Steelers did it in the early 2000s. That team built up its defense and offensive line to a point of great strengths. It bolstered its running game. And their best WR was a 4th round converted QB (Hines Ward). During their run from 2005-2008 they didn't have any speed burners at WR.
And when the team was ready.....plop....they dropped a cherry on top....Roethlisberger.
And perhaps that is the way the Browns will go next year.
Now, the Browns are operating in the exact same manner: sturdy OL, sturdy defense, sturdy running game. Solid of not specta
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It's going to be 1985 all over again. 13-10, 20-17, maybe even some 9-6 games are coming our way. As long as the Browns win, who cares....and 1985 was the start of our last resemblance of a good run of seasons.
We won't know how these picks are until down the road, but I'm excited about this season.
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WR are shiny hood ornaments.
YOU don't get it, r4: Your playtakers are on the field for 50 plays but only receive the ball on 5 of them at best.. that's 10%. OL and DL are required on 100% of the plays.
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Everyone at the Browns Backers party I was at knew who Shelton was but were disappointed we took him. Lots of dumb football fans running around out there.
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Successful football starts with successful oline and dline play.
Even Jimmy Brown always gave credit to his offensive line.
Archie Manning had a tough career without the blocking in front of him -
and Peyton and Eli had no desire to suffer the same fate.
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Everyone at the Browns Backers party I was at knew who Shelton was but were disappointed we took him. Lots of dumb football fans running around out there.
Everyone at the Browns Backers party I was at knew who Shelton was but were disappointed we took him. Lots of dumb football fans running around out there.
Dumb's a little harsh. I'd ascribe it to the difference between "fans" and lovers... or "nuts".
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Everyone at the Browns Backers party I was at knew who Shelton was but were disappointed we took him. Lots of dumb football fans running around out there.
Everyone at the Browns Backers party I was at knew who Shelton was but were disappointed we took him. Lots of dumb football fans running around out there.
What were they expecting....the WR?
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Successful football starts with successful oline and dline play.
Even Jimmy Brown always gave credit to his offensive line.
Archie Manning had a tough career without the blocking in front of him -
and Peyton and Eli had no desire to suffer the same fate.
Successful football starts with successful oline and dline play.
Even Jimmy Brown always gave credit to his offensive line.
Archie Manning had a tough career without the blocking in front of him -
and Peyton and Eli had no desire to suffer the same fate.
Some people try to find things in this game that don't exist but football is only two things - blocking and tackling.
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Lines win football - greatest cliche ever written about the game, but still the truest ever written.
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Lines win football - greatest cliche ever written about the game, but still the truest ever written.
Lines win football - greatest cliche ever written about the game, but still the truest ever written.
The misconception with that being that high draft picks = strong lines.
You can have five first round picks on your offensive line and have it still suck hind teat. Individual talent means little when it comes to offensive line play, it's knowing what your other four guys are doing.
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Lines win football - greatest cliche ever written about the game, but still the truest ever written.
The misconception with that being that high draft picks = strong lines.
You can have five first round picks on your offensive line and have it still suck hind teat. Individual talent means little when it comes to offensive line play, it's knowing what your other four guys are doing.
The misconception with that being that high draft picks = strong lines.
You can have five first round picks on your offensive line and have it still suck hind teat. Individual talent means little when it comes to offensive line play, it's knowing what your other four guys are doing.
Sure, coaching and cohesiveness and stability counts. But having more talented players helps.
Honestly, having talented players has not actually been the Browns biggest problem. I have broken down the depth charts of the AFCN and the Browns have as many or more talented players than the other division teams. (with the exception of QB....OK).
There is the old adage, "the whole is greater than the sum of its parts". In the Browns case it really has been the opposite.....the whole has been lesser than the sum of its parts. They have a great O Line, the best DBs in the division, reasonably solid DL and LBs. But they have not been able to win because something has been lacking. Cohesion, stability. Hopefully that changes now.
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The misconception with that being that high draft picks = strong lines.
You can have five first round picks on your offensive line and have it still suck hind teat. Individual talent means little when it comes to offensive line play, it's knowing what your other four guys are doing.
Sure, coaching and cohesiveness and stability counts. But having more talented players helps.
Honestly, having talented players has not actually been the Browns biggest problem. I have broken down the depth charts of the AFCN and the Browns have as many or more talented players than the other division teams. (with the exception of QB....OK).
There is the old adage, "the whole is greater than the sum of its parts". In the Browns case it really has been the opposite.....the whole has been lesser than the sum of its parts. They have a great O Line, the best DBs in the division, reasonably solid DL and LBs. But they have not been able to win because something has been lacking. Cohesion, stability. Hopefully that changes now.
Sure, coaching and cohesiveness and stability counts. But having more talented players helps.
Honestly, having talented players has not actually been the Browns biggest problem. I have broken down the depth charts of the AFCN and the Browns have as many or more talented players than the other division teams. (with the exception of QB....OK).
There is the old adage, "the whole is greater than the sum of its parts". In the Browns case it really has been the opposite.....the whole has been lesser than the sum of its parts. They have a great O Line, the best DBs in the division, reasonably solid DL and LBs. But they have not been able to win because something has been lacking. Cohesion, stability. Hopefully that changes now.
Cohesion and stability have much more of an influence on offensive line production than overall talent. Much, much more. That's why I think it's hilarious when some people say "rotate every guy through a different position until we find the right combination".
For instance, the Patriots have only one 1st round pick on their starting offensive line. They have a second round pick, a fourth round pick, and two undrafted players. Yet
The Eagles (2nd in OL production) have only one first round pick, and then a handful of undrafted's and mid-round guys.
Meanwhile, the Dolphins (who finished 32nd in OL production) have three first round picks, a second round pick and a third round pick.
If you're going to draft for offensive line, do it the way Dallas did it. The Cowboys have three first round picks, an undrafted player, and a fourth round pick. Their first round picks are at LT, C, and RG - a pass blocker, a field general and a road grader.
The point is - you can find success (like the Browns did early in the year) without having to stock your line with first round talent. The Browns shouldn't have to address their offensive line in the first few rounds at all next year.
I'm awesome, and I fuck dolphins. Ghoolie 12/2/2012: I have absolutely no skills, training or pride -
Everyone at the Browns Backers party I was at knew who Shelton was but were disappointed we took him. Lots of dumb football fans running around out there.
What were they expecting....the WR?
What were they expecting....the WR?
Don't know. Got stuck at a table with fans of other teams so didn't talk to any Browns folks really, but their disappointment was evident.
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Sure, coaching and cohesiveness and stability counts. But having more talented players helps.
Honestly, having talented players has not actually been the Browns biggest problem. I have broken down the depth charts of the AFCN and the Browns have as many or more talented players than the other division teams. (with the exception of QB....OK).
There is the old adage, "the whole is greater than the sum of its parts". In the Browns case it really has been the opposite.....the whole has been lesser than the sum of its parts. They have a great O Line, the best DBs in the division, reasonably solid DL and LBs. But they have not been able to win because something has been lacking. Cohesion, stability. Hopefully that changes now.
Cohesion and stability have much more of an influence on offensive line production than overall talent. Much, much more. That's why I think it's hilarious when some people say "rotate every guy through a different position until we find the right combination".
For instance, the Patriots have only one 1st round pick on their starting offensive line. They have a second round pick, a fourth round pick, and two undrafted players. Yet
The Eagles (2nd in OL production) have only one first round pick, and then a handful of undrafted's and mid-round guys.
Meanwhile, the Dolphins (who finished 32nd in OL production) have three first round picks, a second round pick and a third round pick.
If you're going to draft for offensive line, do it the way Dallas did it. The Cowboys have three first round picks, an undrafted player, and a fourth round pick. Their first round picks are at LT, C, and RG - a pass blocker, a field general and a road grader.
The point is - you can find success (like the Browns did early in the year) without having to stock your line with first round talent. The Browns shouldn't have to address their offensive line in the first few rounds at all next year.
Cohesion and stability have much more of an influence on offensive line production than overall talent. Much, much more. That's why I think it's hilarious when some people say "rotate every guy through a different position until we find the right combination".
For instance, the Patriots have only one 1st round pick on their starting offensive line. They have a second round pick, a fourth round pick, and two undrafted players. Yet
The Eagles (2nd in OL production) have only one first round pick, and then a handful of undrafted's and mid-round guys.
Meanwhile, the Dolphins (who finished 32nd in OL production) have three first round picks, a second round pick and a third round pick.
If you're going to draft for offensive line, do it the way Dallas did it. The Cowboys have three first round picks, an undrafted player, and a fourth round pick. Their first round picks are at LT, C, and RG - a pass blocker, a field general and a road grader.
The point is - you can find success (like the Browns did early in the year) without having to stock your line with first round talent. The Browns shouldn't have to address their offensive line in the first few rounds at all next year.
I think its important to take into context the offensive system those teams run and whom their QB's are. With elite QB's that can distribute the ball and make faster reads you can get away with having an offensive line that might not be highly regarded. Elite QB's snap to throw time is usually significantly lower than your average QB such as McCown. This takes tons of pressure off the Oline.
Then you have systems like Chips with wide splits, option and faux option handoffs that really help with the numbers advantage in the box.
I agree that talent can be found anywhere. However if the front office and coaching staff feel that the talent the Browns have in Erving not only insures continued Oline production this year and beyond with a great scheme fit, I'm all for it. We shouldn't (theoretically) have to invest a high round pick for the next several years in the Oline. I don't suspect that we will, either.
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