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  • MudflyM Mudfly wrote on
    #48

    yeah....got no issue with the stats prediction other than it's way less than Id hope to see from an improved team.......

    But...assuming our O line is back and we have improvement at RB and WR...and that we had 3600 yds passing last year, then 2700 yds in 16 games would be a big drop off(way worse)....wouldnt it?

    If it happens, then I at least hope we add an extra 1000 or 2 to our running stats.....or we are in HUGE trouble.....πŸ˜‰

  • MudflyM Mudfly

    yeah....got no issue with the stats prediction other than it's way less than Id hope to see from an improved team.......

    But...assuming our O line is back and we have improvement at RB and WR...and that we had 3600 yds passing last year, then 2700 yds in 16 games would be a big drop off(way worse)....wouldnt it?

    If it happens, then I at least hope we add an extra 1000 or 2 to our running stats.....or we are in HUGE trouble.....πŸ˜‰

    Tim Couch Pulls OutT Tim Couch Pulls Out wrote on
    #49

    @mudfly said:

    yeah....got no issue with the stats prediction other than it's way less than Id hope to see from an improved team.......

    But...assuming our O line is back and we have improvement at RB and WR...and that we had 3600 yds passing last year, then 2700 yds in 16 games would be a big drop off(way worse)....wouldnt it?

    If it happens, then I at least hope we add an extra 1000 or 2 to our running stats.....or we are in HUGE trouble..... πŸ˜‰

    I agree. We'll be in major trouble if the yardage isn't made up somewhere. I'd love to see us lead the league in rushing yards this season.

    A studly defense should contribute to better field position, meaning less yards for our offense to travel. Same goes for a better return game.

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  • MudflyM Mudfly wrote on
    #50

    Definitely......sure wouldnt mind about 2200-2500 yds rushing( I think we had about 1800 last year)......It'd be nice to see a step up from the Crow/West tandem(dont care how it's split) .....and then add some extra for the Duke.....

  • Tour2maT Tour2ma wrote on
    #51

    Considering that we are now at least one injury deep in the O-line, bumping last year's rushing total by 20-40% looks very doable.

    "When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196
  • Tour2maT Tour2ma

    Considering that we are now at least one injury deep in the O-line, bumping last year's rushing total by 20-40% looks very doable.

    MudflyM Mudfly wrote on
    #52

    @tour2ma said:

    Considering that we are now at least one injury deep in the O-line, bumping last year's rushing total by 20-40% looks very doable.

    Id say it's a realistic possibility....Ill take the 40% option, please.....

  • W wargograw wrote on
    #53

    Are we sure we'll be running as much with the new OC? Isn't Shanahan kind of a run game extraordinaire (if nothing else)? There are certainly reasons to think we will well outdo our run game totals from last year, I'm just wondering if Flip will even keep the run volume just as high.

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  • C calfoxwc wrote on
    #54

    I'll bet he doesn't run on first down most all the time.

    that will be a breath of fresh air.

  • W wargograw

    Are we sure we'll be running as much with the new OC? Isn't Shanahan kind of a run game extraordinaire (if nothing else)? There are certainly reasons to think we will well outdo our run game totals from last year, I'm just wondering if Flip will even keep the run volume just as high.

    Tim Couch Pulls OutT Tim Couch Pulls Out wrote on
    #55

    @wargograw said:

    Are we sure we'll be running as much with the new OC? Isn't Shanahan kind of a run game extraordinaire (if nothing else)? There are certainly reasons to think we will well outdo our run game totals from last year, I'm just wondering if Flip will even keep the run volume just as high.

    We won't be running as frequently, no. Oakland finished dead last in the league last year in rushing percentage - only rushing on like 38% of plays.

    However, I don't think that's indicative of what will happen this year, I put us more in the 45-48% range. You have to remember that Oakland's backfield was a mess last year. MJD got hurt, DMC was garbage (and also hurt, I believe), and Latavius Murray ended up taking over.

    I think we'll see a more creative rushing game, with a higher YPA, and a rather even distribution of carries (unless someone absolutely takes off).

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  • Tour2maT Tour2ma wrote on
    #56

    Yup... in OAK they were pass happy out of necessity. It's not what earned Flip his shot here.

    I'll take the over, TC... I can see us running even more than we did last year.

    Two reasons:

    • Pet sets the tone and his OC will march to his orders... especially if when the D improves over last year.
    • With the depth added to the O-line we will run more effectively even should the 6th man be "up".
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  • Tour2maT Tour2ma wrote on
    #57

    From OTA notes... http://www.clevelandbrowns.com/news/article-5/5-observations-from-Browns-OTAs/92eab669-eb5d-443e-aab7-70d3a6202a1c

    1) Andy Lee can absolutely boom the football

    Cleveland’s new punter hit the 70-yard marker on at least two of his punts, prompting return men to jokingly complain if he could take some heat off the ball. Coach Mike Pettine said it was a tough choice to let Spencer Lanning go, but the Browns believe Lee provides an upgrade to the punting position.

    β€œIt was difficult, but that’s life in the NFL,” Pettine said. β€œWe felt we had an opportunity to make our team better. There was a Pro Bowl punter out there and we felt the cost associated was obviously very manageable.”

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    πŸ‘
  • Tour2maT Tour2ma

    Yup... in OAK they were pass happy out of necessity. It's not what earned Flip his shot here.

    I'll take the over, TC... I can see us running even more than we did last year.

    Two reasons:

    • Pet sets the tone and his OC will march to his orders... especially if when the D improves over last year.
    • With the depth added to the O-line we will run more effectively even should the 6th man be "up".
    MudflyM Mudfly wrote on
    #58

    @tour2ma said:

    Yup... in OAK they were pass happy out of necessity. It's not what earned Flip his shot here.

    Agreed.......wasnt Flip only the QB coach at Oakland?.......I wouldnt think he was the source of their offensive philosophy....

    It's been my impression that he was adopting much of the O scheme we already had in place, with a few of his own twists.....as opposed to bringing us Oaklands O scheme.....that way we weren't learning a whole new system again.....

    TCPO......you're starting to make me nervous with the offensive predictions...HA!....1000 less yards passing AND 10% less running?.....

    Im hoping for increased offense(both pass and rush), boosted by more opportunities due to improved defense......fingers crossed

  • MudflyM Mudfly

    @tour2ma said:

    Yup... in OAK they were pass happy out of necessity. It's not what earned Flip his shot here.

    Agreed.......wasnt Flip only the QB coach at Oakland?.......I wouldnt think he was the source of their offensive philosophy....

    It's been my impression that he was adopting much of the O scheme we already had in place, with a few of his own twists.....as opposed to bringing us Oaklands O scheme.....that way we weren't learning a whole new system again.....

    TCPO......you're starting to make me nervous with the offensive predictions...HA!....1000 less yards passing AND 10% less running?.....

    Im hoping for increased offense(both pass and rush), boosted by more opportunities due to improved defense......fingers crossed

    Tim Couch Pulls OutT Tim Couch Pulls Out wrote on
    #59

    @mudfly said:

    Agreed.......wasnt Flip only the QB coach at Oakland?.......I wouldnt think he was the source of their offensive philosophy....

    It's been my impression that he was adopting much of the O scheme we already had in place, with a few of his own twists.....as opposed to bringing us Oaklands O scheme.....that way we weren't learning a whole new system again.....

    TCPO......you're starting to make me nervous with the offensive predictions...HA!....1000 less yards passing AND 10% less running?.....

    Im hoping for increased offense(both pass and rush), boosted by more opportunities due to improved defense......fingers crossed

    I don't think we'll have 10% less running. On the contrary, I was saying we'll have 10-15% more running that Flip showed in Oakland.

    My McCown prediction was based solely off of his career averages, nothing else. Probably an underrepresentation, considering everything else we've discussed recently.

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  • MudflyM Mudfly wrote on
    #60

    No biggy...I guess I misunderstood what you said.....we ran about 47-48% last year and I thought you said we were gonna run less on the first line...but now I see it says different on line 2....just a lil confusing for me thats all..... πŸ˜‰

  • MudflyM Mudfly

    No biggy...I guess I misunderstood what you said.....we ran about 47-48% last year and I thought you said we were gonna run less on the first line...but now I see it says different on line 2....just a lil confusing for me thats all..... πŸ˜‰

    Tim Couch Pulls OutT Tim Couch Pulls Out wrote on
    #61

    @mudfly said:

    No biggy...I guess I misunderstood what you said.....we ran about 47-48% last year and I thought you said we were gonna run less on the first line...but now I see it says different on line 2....just a lil confusing for me thats all..... πŸ˜‰

    I'm all over the place. No worries.

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  • Tim Couch Pulls OutT Tim Couch Pulls Out

    @mudfly said:

    No biggy...I guess I misunderstood what you said.....we ran about 47-48% last year and I thought you said we were gonna run less on the first line...but now I see it says different on line 2....just a lil confusing for me thats all..... πŸ˜‰

    I'm all over the place. No worries.

    MudflyM Mudfly wrote on
    #62

    @tim-couch-pulls-out said:

    I'm all over the place. No worries.

    None at all.....I have no clue what'll happen either, but here's what Im hoping for.....

    1) Better Defense, that will afford us more offensive opportunities....

    2) Better ball control once we are on offense, that will get us more plays(and, of course, scores)...

    So, if those 2 things happen(big if, I understand)......then I'd hope for increases in both our passing and rushing totals....using last years #'s as a guideline and a modest increase in opportunities, here's my wild guess....

    Passing....approx 530 attempts @ 7.3 yds for 3800 total yards.....

    Rushing....approx 520 attempts @ 4.3 yds for 2200 total yards....

    I think this would be a realistic increase, and while still middle of the pack kind of numbers, probably more than good enough for a really strong defensive team....

    Fingers crossed

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