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  • @riffer-x said:

    Love these threads on camp. Thanks Cal, Mud and Canton.

    Malcolm "Big Nuts and" Johnson is getting rave reviews. Maybe folks will finally quit pining for Vickers and stop remembering the glory days of the Owen Marecic era.

    Terrelle "I Have" Pryor's is winning a lot of folks over, from coaches, to players on both sides of the ball, to fans and media. Crazy athlete. I would venture to say that he was the biggest recruit to come out of high school in years, and it was due to his astounding athletic ability. This guy was a big time hoopster in PA also, so that ability is definitely showing up now at WR.

    Hearing good things about Kevin Cone also. The Sirius guys yesterday said that the Browns WR corps is as deep as any and whoever is last cut will be picked up immediately. That is strange, all I heard all offseason was that our receivers couldn't make the Lingerie League.

    Hoping to hear more about the Duke and he needs to stay healthy. Liking "Mild, Mild" West is a chore for me but here is to Crow hanging onto the ball and Duke staying on the field.

    Just when I thought it was safe to drink a beverage over the laptop, you break out some classic nicknames.

    That hoops background for Pryor can really come in handy in the red zone. Look at Ga Tech popping out WRs like DeMaryius Thomas, Calvin Johnson and now Kevin Cone.

    T TexasAg1969 wrote on last edited by
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    @flugel said:

    That hoops background for Pryor can really come in handy in the red zone. Look at Ga Tech popping out WRs like DeMaryius Thomas, Calvin Johnson and now Kevin Cone.

    Mike Evans came to A&M with major basketball background and converted to WR from power forward his redshirt freshman year. He is only an inch taller that Pryor but they have similar abilities otherwise. I think he will be the biggest surprise in the NFL this year and a real coup for our coaching staff.

  • @flugel said:

    That hoops background for Pryor can really come in handy in the red zone. Look at Ga Tech popping out WRs like DeMaryius Thomas, Calvin Johnson and now Kevin Cone.

    Mike Evans came to A&M with major basketball background and converted to WR from power forward his redshirt freshman year. He is only an inch taller that Pryor but they have similar abilities otherwise. I think he will be the biggest surprise in the NFL this year and a real coup for our coaching staff.

    MudflyM Mudfly wrote on last edited by
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    @texasag1969 said:

    Mike Evans came to A&M with major basketball background and converted to WR from power forward his redshirt freshman year. He is only an inch taller that Pryor but they have similar abilities otherwise. I think he will be the biggest surprise in the NFL this year and a real coup for our coaching staff.

    Mike Evans.....a good comparable.....

    So, if Pryor masters it....he has the potential to become a Mike Evans...with extra speeeed.!

  • Would also mention that Draughn had a lot of reps.....Im sure due to West, Johnson and Winston all sitting some......but he looked very solid and was also receiving reps at KR......

    Not sure why Winston cant practice or how injured he is, but he might need to worry about this guy Draughn......

    Riffer XR Riffer X wrote on last edited by
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    @mudfly said:

    Would also mention that Draughn had a lot of reps.....Im sure due to West, Johnson and Winston all sitting some......but he looked very solid and was also receiving reps at KR......

    Not sure why Winston cant practice or how injured he is, but he might need to worry about this guy Draughn......

    Draughn is another good looking player. Wouldn't count him out. I do think the Winston legend is about to die as fast as Ben Gay's.

  • @mudfly said:

    Would also mention that Draughn had a lot of reps.....Im sure due to West, Johnson and Winston all sitting some......but he looked very solid and was also receiving reps at KR......

    Not sure why Winston cant practice or how injured he is, but he might need to worry about this guy Draughn......

    Draughn is another good looking player. Wouldn't count him out. I do think the Winston legend is about to die as fast as Ben Gay's.

    Canton MikeC Canton Mike wrote on last edited by
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    @riffer-x said:

    Draughn is another good looking player. Wouldn't count him out. I do think the Winston legend is about to die as fast as Ben Gay's.

    Agreed. Winston has yet to see the field.

    Mike

  • @flugel said:

    Thanks Mud! That's cool you diehards got to meet and enjoy the practice together.

    Did you mean Malcolm Johnson (#44)? He is a badass. Miss State was on a lot here in Nashville. There was a play he absolutely lambasted a blitzing LBer that had a full head of steam while he was in a stationary 2 point waiting to show why he's a reliable FB. That LBer was looking out his earhole when he was trying to get off his fanny after the play. Johnson also has good hands. That #44 in Cleveland has a pretty good tradition and it sounds like Malcolm could wear it well.

    Yeah...it was a nice day....

    Yep....Malcolm, my bad......one play had him catching the ball, while being the bologna of the sandwich, between 2 slices of DB.....a big crash....2 DB's on the ground.....and Malcolm is running with the ball.....very impressive.....

    @texasag1969 said:

    Thanks cal and mud for the write-ups. Seems like Pryor has become serious competition for the 1st string WR's. With speed and size like that it seems our rough diamond is polishing up quite quickly.

    Question for you mud. Why was JF so different on Sat. vs. Fri.? Was he playing with the same personnel against the same personnel? Was he "thinking" Fri. or being more the instinctive player he was famous for being? To what do you attribute this very obvious difference in play?

    I cant say for sure, other than yesterday the DB's put on the pads....tightened their chin straps and made the QB's day very difficult....

    Johnny, Id say is just kind of inconsistent right now.....all the QB's were rotating around alot, so he worked with several groups.....my one take away is that, to me, he looks very stiff.....very deliberate in his movements.....and definitely seems to hold the ball longer than he should.....not sure if he's not seeing it?... or why though. But a lot of his throws seem late and a little behind. The DB's were knocking them down left and right....while McCown, for instance, seems to lead the WR's better and get the ball out much faster.....

    Im thinking reps and more reps for Johnny to get comfy and get back to playing in a more natural way.....

    @jafbf said:

    Nice write up and observations.

    Gives quite a bit different impression than what the Media pundits have given me, particularly on Manziel - they've been saying he's missed hardly any throws.

    That would have been Friday....he hit almost every single one......Thursday & Saturday?.....not so much....

    @canton-mike said:

    I have some of my own....

    1) I see guys working hard & no one "going through the motions" as in years past. My thoughts on this is the Play like a Brown philosophy.

    3) Where did all these WRs come from? Keep in mind they are working against a VERY solid looking bunch of DBs & doing well.

    Summary...Great day topped off with Mud taking home a good looking dog! Congrats & I'll let Mud describe the pup.

    Agreed Mike.....Ive been attending TC since the Lakeland days and this is as solid a group as Ive ever seen....a very focused and well run practice......and those guys are working!!

    WR group is MUCH better than they are credited with being......a versatile mix of talent/size/etc.....they will be better than fine!

    And, yes, a new member was added to my family....been mourning my recently passed buddy 'ludwig the dawg' and, yesterday, met a new friend that needed a home....."Haden Bean Shelton III"........it was fate.....got a dog watching the Dawgs.....🙂

    @flugel said:

    Thanks Mike! How bout that? Mud adding to the Dawg Pound. Makes sense...

    Yep....kind of just happened....but we are both happy it did.....

    miktoxicM miktoxic wrote on last edited by
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    @mudfly said:

    And, yes, a new member was added to my family....been mourning my recently passed buddy 'ludwig the dawg' and, yesterday, met a new friend that needed a home....."Haden Bean Shelton III"........it was fate.....got a dog watching the Dawgs..... 🙂

    Yep....kind of just happened....but we are both happy it did.....

    good man. class act all the way.

  • @texasag1969 said:

    Mike Evans came to A&M with major basketball background and converted to WR from power forward his redshirt freshman year. He is only an inch taller that Pryor but they have similar abilities otherwise. I think he will be the biggest surprise in the NFL this year and a real coup for our coaching staff.

    Mike Evans.....a good comparable.....

    So, if Pryor masters it....he has the potential to become a Mike Evans...with extra speeeed.!

    T TexasAg1969 wrote on last edited by
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    @mudfly said:

    Mike Evans.....a good comparable.....

    So, if Pryor masters it....he has the potential to become a Mike Evans...with extra speeeed.!

    And since Mary Kay reported he got to go with the 1's, that is a great sign the Browns know exactly what they have. This is gonna get to be awesome this fall.

  • @mudfly said:

    Mike Evans.....a good comparable.....

    So, if Pryor masters it....he has the potential to become a Mike Evans...with extra speeeed.!

    And since Mary Kay reported he got to go with the 1's, that is a great sign the Browns know exactly what they have. This is gonna get to be awesome this fall.

    MudflyM Mudfly wrote on last edited by
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    @texasag1969 said:

    And since Mary Kay reported he got to go with the 1's, that is a great sign the Browns know exactly what they have. This is gonna get to be awesome this fall.

    Here's a nice quote from Terry Pluto(the most sane reporter covering the Browns).....

    13. The Browns coaches are trying not to become too excited about Terrelle Pryor...but you can tell, they are excited. As Pettine said, "He's not looked out of place...he's ahead of where we thought he'd be."

    And, now practicing with the #1's.......could we get lucky here?.......(we're due)......

  • @texasag1969 said:

    And since Mary Kay reported he got to go with the 1's, that is a great sign the Browns know exactly what they have. This is gonna get to be awesome this fall.

    Here's a nice quote from Terry Pluto(the most sane reporter covering the Browns).....

    13. The Browns coaches are trying not to become too excited about Terrelle Pryor...but you can tell, they are excited. As Pettine said, "He's not looked out of place...he's ahead of where we thought he'd be."

    And, now practicing with the #1's.......could we get lucky here?.......(we're due)......

    DieHardBrownsFanD DieHardBrownsFan wrote on last edited by
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    @mudfly said:

    Here's a nice quote from Terry Pluto(the most sane reporter covering the Browns).....

    13. The Browns coaches are trying not to become too excited about Terrelle Pryor...but you can tell, they are excited. As Pettine said, "He's not looked out of place...he's ahead of where we thought he'd be."

    And, now practicing with the #1's.......could we get lucky here?.......(we're due)......

    It would be a hell of a deal if he is.

  • @texasag1969 said:

    And since Mary Kay reported he got to go with the 1's, that is a great sign the Browns know exactly what they have. This is gonna get to be awesome this fall.

    Here's a nice quote from Terry Pluto(the most sane reporter covering the Browns).....

    13. The Browns coaches are trying not to become too excited about Terrelle Pryor...but you can tell, they are excited. As Pettine said, "He's not looked out of place...he's ahead of where we thought he'd be."

    And, now practicing with the #1's.......could we get lucky here?.......(we're due)......

    chocoC choco wrote on last edited by choco
    #33

    @mudfly said:

    Here's a nice quote from Terry Pluto(the most sane reporter covering the Browns).....

    13. The Browns coaches are trying not to become too excited about Terrelle Pryor...but you can tell, they are excited. As Pettine said, "He's not looked out of place...he's ahead of where we thought he'd be."

    And, now practicing with the #1's.......could we get lucky here?.......(we're due)......

    to be fair, Marlon Moore was also getting reps with the ones....

    So I wouldn't get too excited about Pryor getting reps with ones, as pettine has simply been rotating many guys at many different positikns.

  • @flugel said:

    Thanks Mud! That's cool you diehards got to meet and enjoy the practice together.

    Did you mean Malcolm Johnson (#44)? He is a badass. Miss State was on a lot here in Nashville. There was a play he absolutely lambasted a blitzing LBer that had a full head of steam while he was in a stationary 2 point waiting to show why he's a reliable FB. That LBer was looking out his earhole when he was trying to get off his fanny after the play. Johnson also has good hands. That #44 in Cleveland has a pretty good tradition and it sounds like Malcolm could wear it well.

    Yeah...it was a nice day....

    Yep....Malcolm, my bad......one play had him catching the ball, while being the bologna of the sandwich, between 2 slices of DB.....a big crash....2 DB's on the ground.....and Malcolm is running with the ball.....very impressive.....

    @texasag1969 said:

    Thanks cal and mud for the write-ups. Seems like Pryor has become serious competition for the 1st string WR's. With speed and size like that it seems our rough diamond is polishing up quite quickly.

    Question for you mud. Why was JF so different on Sat. vs. Fri.? Was he playing with the same personnel against the same personnel? Was he "thinking" Fri. or being more the instinctive player he was famous for being? To what do you attribute this very obvious difference in play?

    I cant say for sure, other than yesterday the DB's put on the pads....tightened their chin straps and made the QB's day very difficult....

    Johnny, Id say is just kind of inconsistent right now.....all the QB's were rotating around alot, so he worked with several groups.....my one take away is that, to me, he looks very stiff.....very deliberate in his movements.....and definitely seems to hold the ball longer than he should.....not sure if he's not seeing it?... or why though. But a lot of his throws seem late and a little behind. The DB's were knocking them down left and right....while McCown, for instance, seems to lead the WR's better and get the ball out much faster.....

    Im thinking reps and more reps for Johnny to get comfy and get back to playing in a more natural way.....

    @jafbf said:

    Nice write up and observations.

    Gives quite a bit different impression than what the Media pundits have given me, particularly on Manziel - they've been saying he's missed hardly any throws.

    That would have been Friday....he hit almost every single one......Thursday & Saturday?.....not so much....

    @canton-mike said:

    I have some of my own....

    1) I see guys working hard & no one "going through the motions" as in years past. My thoughts on this is the Play like a Brown philosophy.

    3) Where did all these WRs come from? Keep in mind they are working against a VERY solid looking bunch of DBs & doing well.

    Summary...Great day topped off with Mud taking home a good looking dog! Congrats & I'll let Mud describe the pup.

    Agreed Mike.....Ive been attending TC since the Lakeland days and this is as solid a group as Ive ever seen....a very focused and well run practice......and those guys are working!!

    WR group is MUCH better than they are credited with being......a versatile mix of talent/size/etc.....they will be better than fine!

    And, yes, a new member was added to my family....been mourning my recently passed buddy 'ludwig the dawg' and, yesterday, met a new friend that needed a home....."Haden Bean Shelton III"........it was fate.....got a dog watching the Dawgs.....🙂

    @flugel said:

    Thanks Mike! How bout that? Mud adding to the Dawg Pound. Makes sense...

    Yep....kind of just happened....but we are both happy it did.....

    Tour2maT Tour2ma wrote on last edited by Tour2ma
    #34

    But Marlon Moore wasn't a QB like yesterday... 😉

    Great thread start, cal... not often do you see a 6-pack (root beer of course) of +1's for a post... well earned.

    @mudfly said:

    Im thinking reps and more reps for Johnny to get comfy and get back to playing in a more natural way.....

    ....."Haden Bean Shelton III"...

    Who is "Bean"? 🙂

    Once we accept that last season was essentially a total loss for JM, then it becomes easy to accept his mechanical look this early. Reps should improve things, but it's more mental than physical. That light that illuminates the hallway from the film room to the practice field has to switch on.

  • nickersN nickers wrote on last edited by
    #35

    I just find it disturbing that it seems like Manziel is NOT getting any better.,, Hes a wasted pick.. again... dump him while you can Brownies..

  • Tour2maT Tour2ma wrote on last edited by
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    You can always dump him. Since June 1 cap savings has been nil, so no hurry to do anything on TC Day 4.

    Final Cuts? Depending on his Pre-season there might be a reason then.

  • D BoneD D Bone wrote on last edited by D Bone
    #37

    Pre season is going to show us a lot about Johnny. Will he settle into the pocket and stand tall (no joke intended)? Will he go through multiple reads, or simply stare at his primary receiver and tuck it and run if he's covered? Will he show any signs of getting better than he was last year, and do so against vanilla defenses?

    If in his 2nd year the answer isn't a resounding yes to all of those questions, we all may just have our answer regarding our 1st round pick.

  • Pre season is going to show us a lot about Johnny. Will he settle into the pocket and stand tall (no joke intended)? Will he go through multiple reads, or simply stare at his primary receiver and tuck it and run if he's covered? Will he show any signs of getting better than he was last year, and do so against vanilla defenses?

    If in his 2nd year the answer isn't a resounding yes to all of those questions, we all may just have our answer regarding our 1st round pick.

    MudflyM Mudfly wrote on last edited by
    #38

    @d-bone said:

    Pre season is going to show us a lot about Johnny. Will he settle into the pocket and stand tall (no joke intended)? Will he go through multiple reads, or simply stare at his primary receiver and tuck it and run if he's covered? Will he show any signs of getting better than he was last year, and do so against vanilla defenses?

    If in his 2nd year the answer isn't a resounding yes to all of those questions, we all may just have our answer regarding our 1st round pick.

    10 days till we play.....cant wait to see some of these guys in action.....

  • @d-bone said:

    Pre season is going to show us a lot about Johnny. Will he settle into the pocket and stand tall (no joke intended)? Will he go through multiple reads, or simply stare at his primary receiver and tuck it and run if he's covered? Will he show any signs of getting better than he was last year, and do so against vanilla defenses?

    If in his 2nd year the answer isn't a resounding yes to all of those questions, we all may just have our answer regarding our 1st round pick.

    10 days till we play.....cant wait to see some of these guys in action.....

    T TexasAg1969 wrote on last edited by
    #39

    @mudfly said:

    10 days till we play.....cant wait to see some of these guys in action.....

    That is the most intelligent observation of the day shared by all!! 😁

  • DieHardBrownsFanD DieHardBrownsFan wrote on last edited by
    #40

    Johnny will be no. 2, then progress to no. 1. Bank it.

  • Johnny will be no. 2, then progress to no. 1. Bank it.

    D BoneD D Bone wrote on last edited by
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    @diehardbrownsfan said:

    Johnny will be no. 2, then progress to no. 1. Bank it.

    I'll put that in a Greek bank

  • Tour2maT Tour2ma wrote on last edited by
    #42

    Did we just have our first "bank it" of the season?

  • Johnny will be no. 2, then progress to no. 1. Bank it.

    tiamat63T tiamat63 wrote on last edited by
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    @diehardbrownsfan said:

    Johnny will be no. 2, then progress to no. 1. Bank it.

    Care to make a wager ?

  • Did we just have our first "bank it" of the season?

    MudflyM Mudfly wrote on last edited by
    #44

    @tour2ma said:

    Did we just have our first "bank it" of the season?

    Ha!.....Im more of a "book it" guy myself.....😉