McCown Starts
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I'm not even sure it was the safe call. Start Johnny and Johnny doesn't play well then you can go back to McCown with a clear conscience. Start McCown and he shits the bed then you are an idiot.
But Pet is not concerned with how fans view him, he's concerned with winning games and following the plan they've set for JM. We know this because he said so.
Whichever QB was named starter vs. OAK can be pulled, if they are awful. Which one are you more confident has the psyche to handle that should it happen?
So is the next slip by JG a ban for life?
Probably depends on whether he repeats a past transgression or comes up with some new rule to violate...
Faded said:
Coaches are not immune to pressure from the press and the fans. That certainly doesn't mean that every decision is made based on the mob, but, depending on the intensity, it can play a role. Actually, I think Pettine felt it last year after the Indie game, and it's likely that it shaded his decision to start Manziel (in conjunction, and in consequence of Hoyer's middling play), even though he knew it was a long shot that Manziel would be serviceable in any way. You may see that again. I think the pressure will be even greater this time if McCown isn't playing notably well.
I didn't actually imply that the only reason McCown is ahead of Manziel is because he's likable, but pointed that out as part of the reason why it's hard for me to get upset about the call. But, now that you mention it, I absolutely think that part of this decision is because Pettine feels an obligation because of the original articulated plan, and because of the kind of guy McCown is. I don't think that's a negative in any way. The argument that McCown is owed a chance is not a bad one at all, and, if I were Pettine, it probably would find it's way as one element into my explanation to Manziel for why he'll be sitting this Sunday.
First, on the "likable" bit... I know you weren't saying it was a big factor in the decision let alone the only reason. What I was trying to say was my reaction was my problem... in this case my over-reaction.
Just seems there is always some outside factor that creeps in for a JM backer to accept him not starting.
I disagree on the pressure influencing Pet after the Indy game. I believe it was simply a matter of how low Hoyer's game had sunk at that point... so low that it made JM appear to be the better choice.
Guess I'm the only one who doesn't know what that stand for..........
DHBF = DieHardBrownsFan... our resident professor of elocution...
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Go take another 'selfie' and shove it.
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Go take another 'selfie' and shove it.
Go take another 'selfie' and shove it.
Jealous
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Young had to sit behind Montana. Rodgers had to wait behind Favre. McCown is a legend. Manziel needs to wait his fucking turn.
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I'm not even sure it was the safe call. Start Johnny and Johnny doesn't play well then you can go back to McCown with a clear conscience. Start McCown and he shits the bed then you are an idiot.
But Pet is not concerned with how fans view him, he's concerned with winning games and following the plan they've set for JM. We know this because he said so.
Whichever QB was named starter vs. OAK can be pulled, if they are awful. Which one are you more confident has the psyche to handle that should it happen?
So is the next slip by JG a ban for life?
Probably depends on whether he repeats a past transgression or comes up with some new rule to violate...
Faded said:
Coaches are not immune to pressure from the press and the fans. That certainly doesn't mean that every decision is made based on the mob, but, depending on the intensity, it can play a role. Actually, I think Pettine felt it last year after the Indie game, and it's likely that it shaded his decision to start Manziel (in conjunction, and in consequence of Hoyer's middling play), even though he knew it was a long shot that Manziel would be serviceable in any way. You may see that again. I think the pressure will be even greater this time if McCown isn't playing notably well.
I didn't actually imply that the only reason McCown is ahead of Manziel is because he's likable, but pointed that out as part of the reason why it's hard for me to get upset about the call. But, now that you mention it, I absolutely think that part of this decision is because Pettine feels an obligation because of the original articulated plan, and because of the kind of guy McCown is. I don't think that's a negative in any way. The argument that McCown is owed a chance is not a bad one at all, and, if I were Pettine, it probably would find it's way as one element into my explanation to Manziel for why he'll be sitting this Sunday.
First, on the "likable" bit... I know you weren't saying it was a big factor in the decision let alone the only reason. What I was trying to say was my reaction was my problem... in this case my over-reaction.
Just seems there is always some outside factor that creeps in for a JM backer to accept him not starting.
I disagree on the pressure influencing Pet after the Indy game. I believe it was simply a matter of how low Hoyer's game had sunk at that point... so low that it made JM appear to be the better choice.
Guess I'm the only one who doesn't know what that stand for..........
DHBF = DieHardBrownsFan... our resident professor of elocution...
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Go take another 'selfie' and shove it.
Jealous
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The irony of all this is that Josh was in exactly the same position as Johnny when injury forced him into the starters position. He played very well but was replaced by Cutler when he was cleared only for Cutler to blow it so Chicago did not make the playoffs. History hopefully will not repeat here. Go Browns and thanks Johnboy (fits well with fanboys) for a memorable game.
Q: Did you hear that Cleveland's football team doesn't have a website?A: They can't string three "Ws" together.
Sorry-I just could not resist.
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The irony of all this is that Josh was in exactly the same position as Johnny when injury forced him into the starters position. He played very well but was replaced by Cutler when he was cleared only for Cutler to blow it so Chicago did not make the playoffs. History hopefully will not repeat here. Go Browns and thanks Johnboy (fits well with fanboys) for a memorable game.
Q: Did you hear that Cleveland's football team doesn't have a website?A: They can't string three "Ws" together.
Sorry-I just could not resist.Q: Did you hear that Cleveland's football team doesn't have a website?
A: They can't string three "Ws" together.
Sorry-I just could not resist.
That's actually pretty good. I'll be retelling that one.
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Q: Did you hear that Cleveland's football team doesn't have a website?
A: They can't string three "Ws" together.
Sorry-I just could not resist.
That's actually pretty good. I'll be retelling that one.
That's actually pretty good. I'll be retelling that one.
I stole it off another www
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The Browns will be like 2-7 or 3-9 and then Pettine will play Manziel once the season is broken.
Haslem will fire Farmer/Pettine at the end of the year and bring in 2 new guys to make incredibly stupid decisions.
YOU FUCKING START MANZIEL, HE HAS ALL the MOMENTUM
The Browns will be like 2-7 or 3-9 and then Pettine will play Manziel once the season is broken.
Apparently, you can't start a Poll anymore- because I tried to. How many losses will it take to get McCown benched? Admittedly, it's easier to play Josh and bench him, & bring in Johnny if he sucks- than the other way around. It may not matter- because if McCown hasn't figured out in his forced layoff he has to curb his reckless- and it do mean reckless- style of running outside the pocket- he's not going to last very long anyway. I've said elsewhere that helicopter he took in the Jets game wasn't the first time this year he took a kill shot.
Playing McCown likely wins more games this season but he is not a young guy. Playing Johnny lets the staff know exactly what they have in him. If he does well, great. If he stinks up the joint, you know that drafting a QB is a very real possibility.
See above. So let's blow another season and find out we still have no answer at quarterback. Regarding those stats- HEY PETTINE- Manziel may be leading the league in quarterback fumbles with 4, you know who's right behind? Winston and Mariota with 3. I suppose they should be benched too, until they learn better ball security.
I don't know if Johnny is going to end up being the guy, but let's be honest, does anyone on this board think we have a shot at the Super Bowl this year? So let's say McCown is the better option this season, and we win an extra game or two with him at the helm. We end up 7-9 or 8-8. What is the point of the extra two wins with McCown? There would be some legitimacy to that argument if we were a bubble playoff team, but we just aren't that team. Starting Manziel at least lets us find out if he is the guy or we need to look elsewhere. I just don't buy that waiting a year to start Manziel so he can develop and learn is somehow going to dramatically change the results. Somehow starting him this year turns him into a bust and if we would have only waited until next year he would have been a HOFer. We shouldn't be delusional about McCown either. He was 2-14 last year for the fucking trainwreck Bucs.
yup.
His inability to move the chains was masked by the inability of the coaches to be less than superconservative (read that entirely predictable) in the 3rd and 4th quarters and set him up for 3rd and long which is a sackers wet dream. The second bomb was set up by moving the chains from the 20 to the 50. The second TD was set up by moving them deep into the red zone. The first bomb was a planned play off a correct reading of the D by both QB and receiver. None of it was luck. Get your facts straight.
I said it elsewhere- Pettine was playing not to lose sitting on a lead- and it almost cost them. Go look up the play by play. the Browns ran on EVERY first down in the third and fourth quarter- and the vast majority of second down on top of it- talk about predictable. Johnny bailed them out with a schoolyard play.
Young had to sit behind Montana. Rodgers had to wait behind Favre. McCown is a legend. Manziel needs to wait his fucking turn.
Safe to say the only way Josh is getting in the HOF- to paraphrase one announcer- is if he buys a ticket, like everyone else. In conclusion- Dear Mr. Pettine- you made a tough decision- you had better be right. Anything less than 9-7 with Josh at the controls will be unacceptable to the fan base- and you know it. -
The Browns will be like 2-7 or 3-9 and then Pettine will play Manziel once the season is broken.
Apparently, you can't start a Poll anymore- because I tried to. How many losses will it take to get McCown benched? Admittedly, it's easier to play Josh and bench him, & bring in Johnny if he sucks- than the other way around. It may not matter- because if McCown hasn't figured out in his forced layoff he has to curb his reckless- and it do mean reckless- style of running outside the pocket- he's not going to last very long anyway. I've said elsewhere that helicopter he took in the Jets game wasn't the first time this year he took a kill shot.
Playing McCown likely wins more games this season but he is not a young guy. Playing Johnny lets the staff know exactly what they have in him. If he does well, great. If he stinks up the joint, you know that drafting a QB is a very real possibility.
See above. So let's blow another season and find out we still have no answer at quarterback. Regarding those stats- HEY PETTINE- Manziel may be leading the league in quarterback fumbles with 4, you know who's right behind? Winston and Mariota with 3. I suppose they should be benched too, until they learn better ball security.
I don't know if Johnny is going to end up being the guy, but let's be honest, does anyone on this board think we have a shot at the Super Bowl this year? So let's say McCown is the better option this season, and we win an extra game or two with him at the helm. We end up 7-9 or 8-8. What is the point of the extra two wins with McCown? There would be some legitimacy to that argument if we were a bubble playoff team, but we just aren't that team. Starting Manziel at least lets us find out if he is the guy or we need to look elsewhere. I just don't buy that waiting a year to start Manziel so he can develop and learn is somehow going to dramatically change the results. Somehow starting him this year turns him into a bust and if we would have only waited until next year he would have been a HOFer. We shouldn't be delusional about McCown either. He was 2-14 last year for the fucking trainwreck Bucs.
yup.
His inability to move the chains was masked by the inability of the coaches to be less than superconservative (read that entirely predictable) in the 3rd and 4th quarters and set him up for 3rd and long which is a sackers wet dream. The second bomb was set up by moving the chains from the 20 to the 50. The second TD was set up by moving them deep into the red zone. The first bomb was a planned play off a correct reading of the D by both QB and receiver. None of it was luck. Get your facts straight.
I said it elsewhere- Pettine was playing not to lose sitting on a lead- and it almost cost them. Go look up the play by play. the Browns ran on EVERY first down in the third and fourth quarter- and the vast majority of second down on top of it- talk about predictable. Johnny bailed them out with a schoolyard play.
Young had to sit behind Montana. Rodgers had to wait behind Favre. McCown is a legend. Manziel needs to wait his fucking turn.
Safe to say the only way Josh is getting in the HOF- to paraphrase one announcer- is if he buys a ticket, like everyone else. In conclusion- Dear Mr. Pettine- you made a tough decision- you had better be right. Anything less than 9-7 with Josh at the controls will be unacceptable to the fan base- and you know it. -
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"I said it elsewhere- Pettine was playing not to lose sitting on a lead- and it almost cost them. Go look up the play by play. the Browns ran on EVERY first down in the third and fourth quarter- and the vast majority of second down on top of it- talk about predictable. Johnny bailed them out with a schoolyard play."-Hoorta
Thanks for backing up my point to the guy who kept arguing that JM could not move the chains. Apparently he watched a different 3-4th Q.
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who cares if it's unacceptable to the fanbase? who the fuck are we? some monday morning armchair coaches and qbs? a bunch of whiners that cry everytime a decision is made that we don't like?
jeezus christ, man the fuck up and let these people do their jobs. 2 weeks in we're 1 and 1 and the world is crumbling and the 4 horsemen of the apocalypse are crashing through the sky.
same people that bitched about weeden are the same people that bitched about mccoy are the same people bitching about mccown. the same people that are still crying about watkins or mack or bridgewater are the same people who just love to bitch. and i'm about to click ignore on all of them.
isn't it great to complain about shit you have no control over? bunch of bitches, for real.
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who cares if it's unacceptable to the fanbase? who the fuck are we? some monday morning armchair coaches and qbs? a bunch of whiners that cry everytime a decision is made that we don't like?
jeezus christ, man the fuck up and let these people do their jobs. 2 weeks in we're 1 and 1 and the world is crumbling and the 4 horsemen of the apocalypse are crashing through the sky.
same people that bitched about weeden are the same people that bitched about mccoy are the same people bitching about mccown. the same people that are still crying about watkins or mack or bridgewater are the same people who just love to bitch. and i'm about to click ignore on all of them.
isn't it great to complain about shit you have no control over? bunch of bitches, for real.
who cares if it's unacceptable to the fanbase? who the fuck are we? some monday morning armchair coaches and qbs? a bunch of whiners that cry everytime a decision is made that we don't like?
jeezus christ, man the fuck up and let these people do their jobs. 2 weeks in we're 1 and 1 and the world is crumbling and the 4 horsemen of the apocalypse are crashing through the sky.
same people that bitched about weeden are the same people that bitched about mccoy are the same people bitching about mccown. the same people that are still crying about watkins or mack or bridgewater are the same people who just love to bitch. and i'm about to click ignore on all of them.
isn't it great to complain about shit you have no control over? bunch of bitches, for real.
BINGO!!
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I don't think it has as much to do with the fan base as with the pundits. The guys supposed to be sports gurus who are pretty much all a little bit shocked.
You have to admit it's not a common practice of professional football coaches, successful or otherwise, preferring to start journeyman over your first round quarterback pick.
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who cares if it's unacceptable to the fanbase? who the fuck are we? some monday morning armchair coaches and qbs? a bunch of whiners that cry everytime a decision is made that we don't like?
jeezus christ, man the fuck up and let these people do their jobs. 2 weeks in we're 1 and 1 and the world is crumbling and the 4 horsemen of the apocalypse are crashing through the sky.
same people that bitched about weeden are the same people that bitched about mccoy are the same people bitching about mccown. the same people that are still crying about watkins or mack or bridgewater are the same people who just love to bitch. and i'm about to click ignore on all of them.
isn't it great to complain about shit you have no control over? bunch of bitches, for real.
who cares if it's unacceptable to the fanbase? who the fuck are we? some monday morning armchair coaches and qbs? a bunch of whiners that cry everytime a decision is made that we don't like?
jeezus christ, man the fuck up and let these people do their jobs. 2 weeks in we're 1 and 1 and the world is crumbling and the 4 horsemen of the apocalypse are crashing through the sky.
same people that bitched about weeden are the same people that bitched about mccoy are the same people bitching about mccown. the same people that are still crying about watkins or mack or bridgewater are the same people who just love to bitch. and i'm about to click ignore on all of them.
isn't it great to complain about shit you have no control over? bunch of bitches, for real.
Yup Mik- we have no control over what the coaching staff does or doesn't do. I'm willing to let McCown fall flat on his face, should that happen- and his track record is less than stellar, no? So excuse me I'm skeptical McCown will succeed where washed up retreads like Dilfer, Garcia, Delhomme, and Wallace have proceeded to suck. FWIW, several of those guys have (had) better resumes than Jake.
The more serious question is what's Haslam going to do if Pettine (assisted by Farmer) brought in yet another big stinking pile of crap at the qb position? I'm saying- If Pettine's right- he's going to look like a genius- if he's wrong- well. He's going to have no choice but to start Johnny when the Browns are 2-8 or 3-7 at the bye. Another season flushed down the toilet. The Ghoolie pessimist in me could easily see that happening. Go take a look at some of the recent NFL power rankings and tell me I'm making that scenario up. I'm getting too damn old to keep putting up with yet another lost season.
I don't think it has as much to do with the fan base as with the pundits. The guys supposed to be sports gurus who are pretty much all a little bit shocked.
You have to admit it's not a common practice of professional football coaches, successful or otherwise, preferring to start journeyman over your first round quarterback pick.
WSS
The above says it Steve. If said journeyman sucks- Pettine may have bought himself a ticket out of town.
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