Joe Thomas trade rumors
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Would you trade JT for our last EIGHT first round picks?
1. Cam Erving
2. Danny Shelton
3. Johnny Manziel
4. Justin Gilbert
5. Barkevious Mingo
6.Brandon Weeden
7. Trent Richardson
8. Phil Taylor
I wouldn't....
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Gotta be clear that this was earlier this season.....not this week.....and it was the Broncos who initiated the discussion.
Maybe they will try again this week, maybe not.....but this is NOT something that came about due to this weeks rumor mill.....or because the Browns were/are shopping Thomas.....
As an aside....word is the Browns were asking for 3rd round picks on both Mingo and Mack.....
Nor would I for those players, but for eight 1st-rounders...
Gotta be clear that this was earlier this season.....not this week.....and it was the Broncos who initiated the discussion.
Whenever this was at least we were asking for the right position... and if that was before Barrett emerged when Ware was hurt, then our scouting was pretty well on the mark.
Which brings me back to Khalil...
We've missed on so many first rounders, trading away one of the few we've hit on for another turn at the wheel just seems crazy.
In that case you can always trade down to where picks are more in our wheelhouse... not that that has been a popular option around here.
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I would trade Thomas *if* we could get great value in return for him. But we can't. We *might* get a late first round/high second round pick.....I'd rather keep JT for a couple more years.
Some of you guys dramatically overrate the trade value of JT(really any vet...nothing against JT).
There isnt a non-qb in the league vet(so on a big contract already) who is worth more than one mid to late first round pick.....thats how highly draft picks are valued(partly for cap reasons)
So no, if we trade Joe thomas we wouldnt get anything close to two first round picks. Sheeesh.
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Nor would I for those players, but for eight 1st-rounders...
Gotta be clear that this was earlier this season.....not this week.....and it was the Broncos who initiated the discussion.
Whenever this was at least we were asking for the right position... and if that was before Barrett emerged when Ware was hurt, then our scouting was pretty well on the mark.
Which brings me back to Khalil...
We've missed on so many first rounders, trading away one of the few we've hit on for another turn at the wheel just seems crazy.
In that case you can always trade down to where picks are more in our wheelhouse... not that that has been a popular option around here.
In that case you can always trade down to where picks are more in our wheelhouse... not that that has been a popular option around here.
Ha!....so lets trade him for 20 UDFA's....
Cause Im starting to think there is no wheelhouse......(honestly) Im trying to think of a real draft pick that is making a significant contribution to this team right now......
Mack?....Haden?.....Schwartz?.....Bito?....but these are the only ones I can come up with.....only 4?.....
....all the rest of our starters are FA's and UDFA's, I do believe.....(plus, maybe a few who are still unproven, I guess)
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I would trade Thomas *if* we could get great value in return for him. But we can't. We *might* get a late first round/high second round pick.....I'd rather keep JT for a couple more years.
Some of you guys dramatically overrate the trade value of JT(really any vet...nothing against JT).
There isnt a non-qb in the league vet(so on a big contract already) who is worth more than one mid to late first round pick.....thats how highly draft picks are valued(partly for cap reasons)
So no, if we trade Joe thomas we wouldnt get anything close to two first round picks. Sheeesh.
Some of you guys dramatically overrate the trade value of JT(really any vet...nothing against JT).
JT isn't "any vet." Not even close to it actually.
Also he has more than 2 years left in him. At least 4 more with the Browns.
Trades may not work like Madden in the real world, but there's a reason why our asking price for JT is as high as it is - because we don't want to get rid of him. You don't see many trades that involve players the caliber of JT, because the teams that have those players value them very highly.
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Some of you guys dramatically overrate the trade value of JT(really any vet...nothing against JT).
JT isn't "any vet." Not even close to it actually.
Also he has more than 2 years left in him. At least 4 more with the Browns.
Trades may not work like Madden in the real world, but there's a reason why our asking price for JT is as high as it is - because we don't want to get rid of him. You don't see many trades that involve players the caliber of JT, because the teams that have those players value them very highly.
JT isn't "any vet." Not even close to it actually.
Also he has more than 2 years left in him. At least 4 more with the Browns.
Trades may not work like Madden in the real world, but there's a reason why our asking price for JT is as high as it is - because we don't want to get rid of him. You don't see many trades that involve players the caliber of JT, because the teams that have those players value them very highly.
you are so damn stupid.....in this context, 'really any vet' clearly is a reference to other elite/top level vets like Joe Thomas. 'really any vet' in this context(see the part after) clearly means "any very high level non-qb vet". It's a compliment to Thomas, hence the 'nothing against JT' immediately following it.
So it's not just math....hmmm. Is there a block/killfile button on this forum?
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In that case you can always trade down to where picks are more in our wheelhouse... not that that has been a popular option around here.
Ha!....so lets trade him for 20 UDFA's....
Cause Im starting to think there is no wheelhouse......(honestly) Im trying to think of a real draft pick that is making a significant contribution to this team right now......
Mack?....Haden?.....Schwartz?.....Bito?....but these are the only ones I can come up with.....only 4?.....
....all the rest of our starters are FA's and UDFA's, I do believe.....(plus, maybe a few who are still unproven, I guess)
Cause Im starting to think there is no wheelhouse......(honestly) Im trying to think of a real draft pick that is making a significant contribution to this team right now......
Have to stay in the Farmer era and we know his 2015 staff was not in place in 2014... part of the reason we only picked 6 players in 2014 I'd think and jumped to 12 in 2015. That's 18 total.
Bito is probably his best pick to date despite his uneven season. Duke, Kirksey and Shelton are about the only other ones with serious playing time and there have been signs of players there.
Still early on most of the rest with limited data, but surely promise is evident in others like:
Desir... Campbell...
Ekpre could be an inspired gamble... And to a lesser extent Gaines and Tefler.
Pullard was good enough to get plucked off our PS.
Erving, Cooper and Orchard are our biggest unresolved cases .
So who are Farmer's certified busts? Mayle and West? For sure... Gilbert? Your call on him. MJ our "FB"? As far as I am concerned... yes.
Johnny? Completely special case there that I'd argue is not yet a bust... more "unresolved".
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JT isn't "any vet." Not even close to it actually.
Also he has more than 2 years left in him. At least 4 more with the Browns.
Trades may not work like Madden in the real world, but there's a reason why our asking price for JT is as high as it is - because we don't want to get rid of him. You don't see many trades that involve players the caliber of JT, because the teams that have those players value them very highly.
you are so damn stupid.....in this context, 'really any vet' clearly is a reference to other elite/top level vets like Joe Thomas. 'really any vet' in this context(see the part after) clearly means "any very high level non-qb vet". It's a compliment to Thomas, hence the 'nothing against JT' immediately following it.
So it's not just math....hmmm. Is there a block/killfile button on this forum?
you are so damn stupid.....in this context, 'really any vet' clearly is a reference to other elite/top level vets like Joe Thomas. 'really any vet' in this context(see the part after) clearly means "any very high level non-qb vet". It's a compliment to Thomas, hence the 'nothing against JT' immediately following it.
So it's not just math....hmmm. Is there a block/killfile button on this forum?
How many " "any very high level non-qb vet"'s usually get traded period? Not that many I'm guessing, maybe you could reference your advanced stats and bring up a somewhat interesting and informative discussion for once.
JT will get his 9th straight pro bowl appearance this year and isn't showing signs of slowing down - you don't trade a person like that for a mid-late 1st round pick, hence the reason the Browns would be looking for very high value in return.
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Nor would I for those players, but for eight 1st-rounders...
Gotta be clear that this was earlier this season.....not this week.....and it was the Broncos who initiated the discussion.
Whenever this was at least we were asking for the right position... and if that was before Barrett emerged when Ware was hurt, then our scouting was pretty well on the mark.
Which brings me back to Khalil...
We've missed on so many first rounders, trading away one of the few we've hit on for another turn at the wheel just seems crazy.
In that case you can always trade down to where picks are more in our wheelhouse... not that that has been a popular option around here.
Nor would I for those players, but for eight 1st-rounders...
Whenever this was at least we were asking for the right position... and if that was before Barrett emerged when Ware was hurt, then our scouting was pretty well on the mark.
Which brings me back to Khalil...
In that case you can always trade down to where picks are more in our wheelhouse... not that that has been a popular option around here.
I think we could get around 10 fourth round picks for our 2016 top 10 pick. Sorry Tour- that's where I see us winding up again. Then there's Mayle. Farmer isn't perfect with his low picks.
I would trade Thomas *if* we could get great value in return for him. But we can't. We *might* get a late first round/high second round pick.....I'd rather keep JT for a couple more years.
Some of you guys dramatically overrate the trade value of JT(really any vet...nothing against JT).
There isnt a non-qb in the league vet(so on a big contract already) who is worth more than one mid to late first round pick.....thats how highly draft picks are valued(partly for cap reasons)
So no, if we trade Joe thomas we wouldn't get anything close to two first round picks. Sheeesh.
Yeah- the 49ers got a sixth round pick for Vernon Davis- we might get a seventh for Mingo. I'd want at least two first round picks for Joe- and no team is going to offer that up.
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