Skip to content
The Browns Board
  1. Home
  2. College Football Forum
  3. Talk To Your Kids About the SEC Myth

Talk To Your Kids About the SEC Myth

College Football Forum
331 16 13.6k
  • The GipperT The Gipper

    @baconhound said:

    As a Big 12 fan I actually disagree. If you asked Dabo Swinney if he'd rather play Iowa, Michigan St or Alabama on a neutral field he wouldn't choose Alabama. I think he'd choose Alabama over JT Barret lead Ohio St team and they are approrpiately ranked as such.

    I am talking about actual accomplisment. Not about what your perceptions are.

    Sorry, but if you lose, you lose. Ole Miss beat Alabama and perhaps, logically, should be rated higher.

    I mean, Ole Miss beat Ala....meaning Ole Miss was better than them.

    Two teams beat Ole Miss, and those two teams must be better than Alabama.

    Those two teams are Florida and Memphis.....and each very well may be better than Alabama and Ole Miss.

    Florida lost to LSU.....so as I see it:

    LSU better than Fla

    Fla better than Ole Miss

    Memphis better than Ole Miss

    Ole Miss better than Alabama

    LSU, Florida, Memphis, Ole Miss.....all better than Alabama

    And Saturday LSU plays Alabama....and may prove all the above absolutely accurate.

    Hopefully....or else, yea, it may all be a mess.

    B BaconHound wrote on
    #9

    @the-gipper said:

    I am talking about actual accomplisment. Not about what your perceptions are.

    Sorry, but if you lose, you lose. Ole Miss beat Alabama and perhaps, logically, should be rated higher.

    I mean, Ole Miss beat Ala....meaning Ole Miss was better than them.

    Two teams beat Ole Miss, and those two teams must be better than Alabama.

    Those two teams are Florida and Memphis.....and each very well may be better than Alabama and Ole Miss.

    Florida lost to LSU.....so as I see it:

    LSU better than Fla

    Fla better than Ole Miss

    Memphis better than Ole Miss

    Ole Miss better than Alabama

    LSU, Florida, Memphis, Ole Miss.....all better than Alabama

    And Saturday LSU plays Alabama....and may prove all the above absolutely accurate.

    Hopefully....or else, yea, it may all be a mess.

    Actually you aren't talking about accomplishment because Ohio State hasn't beaten anyone of consequence

    The Cysko KidT The GipperT 2 Replies
  • B BaconHound

    @the-gipper said:

    So? Alabama loses to Ole Miss, who has already lost two games, and they get the #4 spot over several other undefeated teams? That is where the myth comes in.

    The other part of the myth is that people were saying: the committee takes into account the strength of schedule....and that is why Alabama is in there. To that I have to say: What the fuck are they talking about?

    They beat the likes of Louisiana-Monroe and Middle Tenn. St., They beat Georgia who was vastly overrated at the time. They beat, Texas A&M, Tennessee and Arkansas who are all decidedly less than mediocre.

    The decent teams in the SEC, besides Alabama are LSU, Florida, and maybe Ole Miss....and Ala. already lost to one of them.

    No, Baylor, TCU, Mich. St. all would have been better choices.

    The good thing: this will all probably come out in the wash as a lot of these teams get to play each other.

    I have said all along that I think LSU is the class of the SEC. I think that will bear fruit on Saturday.

    And those Big 12 teams: OSU/OK/Baylor/TCU all have a round robin against each other coming up. It would be my hope that one team emerges as predominant...but not sure that will happen.

    And of course OSU plays Mich St. later....and that winner likely plays...and beats undefeated Iowa.

    As a Big 12 fan I actually disagree. If you asked Dabo Swinney if he'd rather play Iowa, Michigan St or Alabama on a neutral field he wouldn't choose Alabama. I think he'd choose Alabama over JT Barret lead Ohio St team and they are approrpiately ranked as such.

    tiamat63T tiamat63 wrote on
    #10

    @baconhound said:

    As a Big 12 fan I actually disagree. If you asked Dabo Swinney if he'd rather play Iowa, Michigan St or Alabama on a neutral field he wouldn't choose Alabama. I think he'd choose Alabama over JT Barret lead Ohio St team and they are approrpiately ranked as such.

    Given Saban's history of defensive woes against teams similar to Ohio State and Clemson, I have little doubt Dabo would prefer to play Iowa or Alabama before Sparty or the Bucks.

  • B BaconHound

    @the-gipper said:

    I am talking about actual accomplisment. Not about what your perceptions are.

    Sorry, but if you lose, you lose. Ole Miss beat Alabama and perhaps, logically, should be rated higher.

    I mean, Ole Miss beat Ala....meaning Ole Miss was better than them.

    Two teams beat Ole Miss, and those two teams must be better than Alabama.

    Those two teams are Florida and Memphis.....and each very well may be better than Alabama and Ole Miss.

    Florida lost to LSU.....so as I see it:

    LSU better than Fla

    Fla better than Ole Miss

    Memphis better than Ole Miss

    Ole Miss better than Alabama

    LSU, Florida, Memphis, Ole Miss.....all better than Alabama

    And Saturday LSU plays Alabama....and may prove all the above absolutely accurate.

    Hopefully....or else, yea, it may all be a mess.

    Actually you aren't talking about accomplishment because Ohio State hasn't beaten anyone of consequence

    The Cysko KidT The Cysko Kid wrote on
    #11

    @baconhound said:

    Actually you aren't talking about accomplishment because Ohio State hasn't beaten anyone of consequence

    Ohio state is the defending national champ and has not lost. Neither have they lost any significant players from their championship run. It's not their problem that the B1G largely sucks. In my mind you can't use a bullshit method like "strength of schedule" to discredit a champion.

    This shit ain't nothing to me, man.
    B 1 Reply
  • The Cysko KidT The Cysko Kid wrote on
    #12

    Let's be clear. Alabama in no way deserves to jump Ohio State now that they've beaten LSU. Strength of schedule aside, who won the last head to head less than a year ago?

    This shit ain't nothing to me, man.
    B 1 Reply
  • The Cysko KidT The Cysko Kid

    @baconhound said:

    Actually you aren't talking about accomplishment because Ohio State hasn't beaten anyone of consequence

    Ohio state is the defending national champ and has not lost. Neither have they lost any significant players from their championship run. It's not their problem that the B1G largely sucks. In my mind you can't use a bullshit method like "strength of schedule" to discredit a champion.

    B BaconHound wrote on
    #13

    @the-cysko-kid said:

    Ohio state is the defending national champ and has not lost. Neither have they lost any significant players from their championship run. It's not their problem that the B1G largely sucks. In my mind you can't use a bullshit method like "strength of schedule" to discredit a champion.

    Didn't say that Ohio State doesn't deserve to be in the discussion but thankfully the human element is still in play because I'd hate to see an undefeated Houston jump a one loss Alabama.

  • The Cysko KidT The Cysko Kid

    Let's be clear. Alabama in no way deserves to jump Ohio State now that they've beaten LSU. Strength of schedule aside, who won the last head to head less than a year ago?

    B BaconHound wrote on
    #14

    @the-cysko-kid said:

    Let's be clear. Alabama in no way deserves to jump Ohio State now that they've beaten LSU. Strength of schedule aside, who won the last head to head less than a year ago?

    Let's be clear last year's Championship game doesn't matter. And I agree that Alabama shouldn't jump Ohio State.

  • B BaconHound

    @the-cysko-kid said:

    Let's be clear. Alabama in no way deserves to jump Ohio State now that they've beaten LSU. Strength of schedule aside, who won the last head to head less than a year ago?

    Let's be clear last year's Championship game doesn't matter. And I agree that Alabama shouldn't jump Ohio State.

    The Cysko KidT The Cysko Kid wrote on
    #15

    @baconhound said:

    Let's be clear last year's Championship game doesn't matter. And I agree that Alabama shouldn't jump Ohio State.

    If the strength of schedule, which is based mostly on a team's performance in the season before, matters, how does a direct matchup of ranked teams in a playoff game from not even a calender year ago not? I mean think about that for a second.

    Also, Ohio State/Alabama was not the championship game.

    This shit ain't nothing to me, man.
  • MLD WoodyM MLD Woody wrote on
    #16

    Strength of Schedule is determined in the season you're playing.

    Oregon looked like a good win early on. It isn't anymore.

    Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody!
  • The Cysko KidT The Cysko Kid wrote on
    #17

    That may be partially true but if it were actually true we wouldn't have been whining about OSU'S strength of schedule well in advance of the actual season

    This shit ain't nothing to me, man.
    B 1 Reply
  • MLD WoodyM MLD Woody wrote on
    #18

    Right, but you can still tell the relative strength of a team any season. Example, the majority of the time, Purdue isn't going to be good. No, it isn't perfect, but it can give you a rough estimate.

    Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody!
  • The Cysko KidT The Cysko Kid

    That may be partially true but if it were actually true we wouldn't have been whining about OSU'S strength of schedule well in advance of the actual season

    B BaconHound wrote on
    #19

    @the-cysko-kid said:

    That may be partially true but if it were actually true we wouldn't have been whining about OSU'S strength of schedule well in advance of the actual season

    It's ok that Ohio State hasn't beat anyone this year. Florida State didn't beat anyone last year.

  • W wargograw wrote on
    #20

    Does Gipper still think LSU is the "class of the SEC" or whatever? That was funny. I still think, as I said, that Ohio State "limps" to 12-0. I said they either choke in the B1G championship game or lose in the semis. Even with their opponent appearing to be a very ugly Iowa team, I still feel decent about it. Not that I'm happy about it. Ohio State is one of my favorite teams.

    B The GipperT 2 Replies
  • W wargograw

    Does Gipper still think LSU is the "class of the SEC" or whatever? That was funny. I still think, as I said, that Ohio State "limps" to 12-0. I said they either choke in the B1G championship game or lose in the semis. Even with their opponent appearing to be a very ugly Iowa team, I still feel decent about it. Not that I'm happy about it. Ohio State is one of my favorite teams.

    B BaconHound wrote on
    #21

    @wargograw said:

    Does Gipper still think LSU is the "class of the SEC" or whatever? That was funny. I still think, as I said, that Ohio State "limps" to 12-0. I said they either choke in the B1G championship game or lose in the semis. Even with their opponent appearing to be a very ugly Iowa team, I still feel decent about it. Not that I'm happy about it. Ohio State is one of my favorite teams.

    Have a sneaking suspicion a one loss Big 12 team won't get in, smh

  • W wargograw wrote on
    #22

    We'll see. I predicted one would. Still feel ok about it, but again we'll see. I don't think it will be OU if that's what you're getting at, due to them having such a bad loss. I think Baylor would have to win out and beat a TCU team that goes 10-2, an OSU team that goes 11-1, etc. AND have some other flies drop in other conferences.

  • Bob806B Bob806 wrote on
    #23

    If Ohio State loses any of their remaining games, they're out (even after a 23 game winning streak as of now).

    There is just way too much Buckeye hate nationally, too much to overcome.

    'Bama looks great now, but for the life of me I cannot understand why they were given a pass for their loss, at home, to Ole Miss. Ole Miss isn't even ranked anymore.

    People talk about the SEC bias, and it is very real. What is more real is the anti-Buckeye bias.

    Karlis Missed
  • Bob806B Bob806

    If Ohio State loses any of their remaining games, they're out (even after a 23 game winning streak as of now).

    There is just way too much Buckeye hate nationally, too much to overcome.

    'Bama looks great now, but for the life of me I cannot understand why they were given a pass for their loss, at home, to Ole Miss. Ole Miss isn't even ranked anymore.

    People talk about the SEC bias, and it is very real. What is more real is the anti-Buckeye bias.

    MLD WoodyM MLD Woody wrote on
    #24

    @bob806 said:

    If Ohio State loses any of their remaining games, they're out (even after a 23 game winning streak as of now).

    There is just way too much Buckeye hate nationally, too much to overcome.

    'Bama looks great now, but for the life of me I cannot understand why they were given a pass for their loss, at home, to Ole Miss. Ole Miss isn't even ranked anymore.

    People talk about the SEC bias, and it is very real. What is more real is the anti-Buckeye bias.

    lol

    Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody!
  • B BaconHound

    @the-gipper said:

    I am talking about actual accomplisment. Not about what your perceptions are.

    Sorry, but if you lose, you lose. Ole Miss beat Alabama and perhaps, logically, should be rated higher.

    I mean, Ole Miss beat Ala....meaning Ole Miss was better than them.

    Two teams beat Ole Miss, and those two teams must be better than Alabama.

    Those two teams are Florida and Memphis.....and each very well may be better than Alabama and Ole Miss.

    Florida lost to LSU.....so as I see it:

    LSU better than Fla

    Fla better than Ole Miss

    Memphis better than Ole Miss

    Ole Miss better than Alabama

    LSU, Florida, Memphis, Ole Miss.....all better than Alabama

    And Saturday LSU plays Alabama....and may prove all the above absolutely accurate.

    Hopefully....or else, yea, it may all be a mess.

    Actually you aren't talking about accomplishment because Ohio State hasn't beaten anyone of consequence

    The GipperT The Gipper wrote on
    #25

    @baconhound said:

    Actually you aren't talking about accomplishment because Ohio State hasn't beaten anyone of consequence

    But neither have they lost to anyone of no consequence. Alabama lost to a now apparently so-so Ole Miss team. Their victory over LSU is now looking less and less impressive as LSU lost to Arkansas....who lost to Toledo.

    I do think that Alabama wins the SEC West....and faces off against Florida.....and that game will be much more competitive than people may think.

  • W wargograw

    Does Gipper still think LSU is the "class of the SEC" or whatever? That was funny. I still think, as I said, that Ohio State "limps" to 12-0. I said they either choke in the B1G championship game or lose in the semis. Even with their opponent appearing to be a very ugly Iowa team, I still feel decent about it. Not that I'm happy about it. Ohio State is one of my favorite teams.

    The GipperT The Gipper wrote on
    #26

    @wargograw said:

    Does Gipper still think LSU is the "class of the SEC" or whatever? That was funny. I still think, as I said, that Ohio State "limps" to 12-0. I said they either choke in the B1G championship game or lose in the semis. Even with their opponent appearing to be a very ugly Iowa team, I still feel decent about it. Not that I'm happy about it. Ohio State is one of my favorite teams.

    I thought they were, yes. Clearly they are not. I think the SEC is very much overrated this year.

    Alabama may be the best in that conference, but like I said, Florida may have something to say about it.

    But, yes, OSU has rather been sleepwalking through the season. They need to wake up this week.

    Michigan St. can beat them. (as evidenced by the Big Ten title game 2 years ago)

    But I will take an ugly 10-0 Iowa over an ugly 9-1 team.

  • W wargograw wrote on
    #27

    Will you take an ugly 10-0 Houston over 9-1 Alabama now? Because the committee would disagree.

    I predict it won't be a game against Florida. They don't pass much and LSU learned you can't run against Alabama.

    The GipperT 1 Reply
  • MLD WoodyM MLD Woody wrote on
    #28

    UF is also down a starting QB

    (PEDs.... Ess eee see)

    Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody!
    The GipperT 1 Reply
Log in to reply