2016 DRAFT who's your boy?
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To repeat myself, the more I see Jaylon Smith from ND the more I'd love to see him in a Browns uniform. Turning around the defense begins with having "the dude" (think Mack, Luke K, the murderer Ray Lewis) in the middle of it which this guy can be.
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Kruger as a DE would be pretty effective I think.
as a backup DE. He can put weight back on and maybe get his bulrush back but his refined pass rushing techniques are non existent. He hasn't learned them by now he never will. He's a year or two from being out of the league. One trick bull rushing ponies aren't highly sought after commodities. Bosa is already levels above Kruger in terms of technique.
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Which is why we need to lose out. Blt currently has the top pick and they are projected at least to be interested in Bosa. Can't happen. Cant fucking happen. Can't allow it. Hey if we didn't land Bosa but he went somewhere else in the NFL, oh well. But We cannot let him fall to the North somewhere.
Which is why we need to lose out. Blt currently has the top pick and they are projected at least to be interested in Bosa. Can't happen. Cant fucking happen. Can't allow it. Hey if we didn't land Bosa but he went somewhere else in the NFL, oh well. But We cannot let him fall to the North somewhere.
No, Browns have top pick.
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I am having muddled thinking about this: I am usually a "draft defense first" kind of guy.....but I do NOT trust the people running the Browns defense. If they take a high pick like Bosa Jim O'Neil will probably want him to play cover rather than rushing the passer....like he does with Mingo.
So, I am leery about drafting defense. So maybe Offense is the way to go. But who? Sure, a WR would be nice.....but I don't want a Braylon Edwards retread. NO QBs are worthy of such a high pick from what I see.
Who? What?
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To repeat myself, the more I see Jaylon Smith from ND the more I'd love to see him in a Browns uniform. Turning around the defense begins with having "the dude" (think Mack, Luke K, the murderer Ray Lewis) in the middle of it which this guy can be.
To repeat myself, the more I see Jaylon Smith from ND the more I'd love to see him in a Browns uniform. Turning around the defense begins with having "the dude" (think Mack, Luke K, the murderer Ray Lewis) in the middle of it which this guy can be.
Ding ding ding ding.......this is where Im at right now...
Its early, but he might be the best "need" pick...for sure...
Browns desperately need a dominant OLB(we did last year too)......pass on olb again and watch our Defense continue to suck
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Assuming we don't go QB (here's hoping Manziel can be the guy for a while at least), the top options are almost exclusively D players, or LTs. Bosa, Hargreaves, Nkemdichie, Stanley, Tunsil, Ramsey - no RB will go that high, and no WR seems worthy.
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Assuming we don't go QB (here's hoping Manziel can be the guy for a while at least), the top options are almost exclusively D players, or LTs. Bosa, Hargreaves, Nkemdichie, Stanley, Tunsil, Ramsey - no RB will go that high, and no WR seems worthy.
the top options are almost exclusively D players.....- no RB will go that high, and no WR seems worthy.
Id say take stock of the rankings....right now....because they are based upon how these guys play and nothing else.....
Soon though....all the draftniks will publish their rankings and then the combine will happen....and suddenly.....there will be a bunch of new names at the top....(and some great players will start to slide)....and positions will start getting adjusted too.....
So no good WR's or RB's right now???....there will be by draft day, guaranteed.....
So, the best "players" could fall if they are a tenth of a second slow or an inch too short......and a bunch of "lesser-players" will rise simply because of a great 40 time or a video clip or some other stupid measurable....
So....Im hoping we go for pure players and NOT potential players.....and the pure players are on top NOW.....
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Mud - I will happily append 'right now' to the end of my statement.
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Mud - I will happily append 'right now' to the end of my statement.
....No need to do that.....because my point is they will be listed as top 10.......but not worthy.....So, to be clear, Im not correcting you, but just spinning off of what you said.....
Because in a few months folks will be screaming for some WR we've never heard of because he ran a 4.3 and is tall....and the top 1 or 2 at each position will be pushed higher than they belong(talent wise), just to fill needs on the board.....
Out of the top 10 current prospects, Ima guess that almost 1/2 of them drop out of that top 10.....and there will be a bunch of fast risers for all the wrong reasons....
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yeah if we don't go with Bosa than I think stud MLB'er is next on this list. Not sure about the Notre Dame kid. I dunno, I just don't like ND and I think ND players are generally soft. Might be great athletes though, just not that "mentality" I want.
We need to find guys like Kuechly that just smell wehre the balls going pre snap. It's like something in the air and shit. They howl at the moon than go beast through the O line on their way to stopping the ball carrier for a loss.
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Bosa, Smith, Treadwell.
Though if a QB is needed, I think Goff is the best.
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Lynch seems to wiry to me, idk how else to describe it. He's supposedly 245 lbs but I don't see that all. He does everyone really well but just looks awkward doing it.
@mudfly said:
Ding ding ding ding.......this is where Im at right now...
Its early, but he might be the best "need" pick...for sure...
Browns desperately need a dominant OLB(we did last year too)......pass on olb again and watch our Defense continue to suck
Amen my friend.
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You fucked up if you think Paxton will step in day 1 and be that.
Bosa's game (to be) compares favorably to Michael Bennett (of Seattle)
He'll be your 5tech on early downs because he has the speed to still turn the corner, but he'll slide to a 3spot on passing downs and wreak hell on guards.
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You fucked up if you think Paxton will step in day 1 and be that.
Bosa's game (to be) compares favorably to Michael Bennett (of Seattle)
He'll be your 5tech on early downs because he has the speed to still turn the corner, but he'll slide to a 3spot on passing downs and wreak hell on guards.
You fucked up if you think Paxton will step in day 1 and be that.
Bosa's game (to be) compares favorably to Michael Bennett (of Seattle)
He'll be your 5tech on early downs because he has the speed to still turn the corner, but he'll slide to a 3spot on passing downs and wreak hell on guards.
I don't like him as the 3, they'd have to put too much weight on him. I would slide him between the 5 tech on days we deem that a 3-4 would be better and the 4-3DE on days we run that. I would prefer to keep Bosa 1v1 as much as possible and not break him down with constant double teams.
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I'd draft Brian Kelly out of ND. Doesn't matter what players we have until we get a coach and gm.
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You fucked up if you think Paxton will step in day 1 and be that.
Bosa's game (to be) compares favorably to Michael Bennett (of Seattle)
He'll be your 5tech on early downs because he has the speed to still turn the corner, but he'll slide to a 3spot on passing downs and wreak hell on guards.
You fucked up if you think Paxton will step in day 1 and be that.
Bosa's game (to be) compares favorably to Michael Bennett (of Seattle)
He'll be your 5tech on early downs because he has the speed to still turn the corner, but he'll slide to a 3spot on passing downs and wreak hell on guards.
Nobody said he will step in on day one. That doesn't mean the Browns still don't need a
franchise QB. Add Bosa to this team and he could be a star.BUT that begs the point that
you still need a franchise QB. Bosa MAY help you win a game or so but a franchise QB
lifts the entire team.Put Bosa,Bennett,JJ Watt on the Patriots and take away Brady.Are you
better off??? The Browns STILL need a QB be it Paxton or whomever. You are never going
to win consistently without at LEAST an above average QB and we don't have one.And I have
no clue whether it is Paxton,Connor Cook, Goff,or whomever but if it determined one of these
guys can be a franchise guy you must take him over Bosa.
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You fucked up if you think Paxton will step in day 1 and be that.
Bosa's game (to be) compares favorably to Michael Bennett (of Seattle)
He'll be your 5tech on early downs because he has the speed to still turn the corner, but he'll slide to a 3spot on passing downs and wreak hell on guards.
Nobody said he will step in on day one. That doesn't mean the Browns still don't need a
franchise QB. Add Bosa to this team and he could be a star.BUT that begs the point that
you still need a franchise QB. Bosa MAY help you win a game or so but a franchise QB
lifts the entire team.Put Bosa,Bennett,JJ Watt on the Patriots and take away Brady.Are you
better off??? The Browns STILL need a QB be it Paxton or whomever. You are never going
to win consistently without at LEAST an above average QB and we don't have one.And I have
no clue whether it is Paxton,Connor Cook, Goff,or whomever but if it determined one of these
guys can be a franchise guy you must take him over Bosa.
Nobody said he will step in on day one. That doesn't mean the Browns still don't need a
franchise QB. Add Bosa to this team and he could be a star.BUT that begs the point that
you still need a franchise QB. Bosa MAY help you win a game or so but a franchise QB
lifts the entire team.Put Bosa,Bennett,JJ Watt on the Patriots and take away Brady.Are you
better off??? The Browns STILL need a QB be it Paxton or whomever. You are never going
to win consistently without at LEAST an above average QB and we don't have one.And I have
no clue whether it is Paxton,Connor Cook, Goff,or whomever but if it determined one of these
guys can be a franchise guy you must take him over Bosa.
Ur right a franchise QB does outright win you games sometimes, but you have to have a competent defense. And to do that you have to draft "talent". If there was a near sure fire franchise QB in this draft and not just another 2 year and out jabroni, that would obviously be something the Browns needed to look at. There's not that guy in this draft. There's guys who have potential for sure, but with our high draft pick this year we have to take someone that is going to produce from day one. It's a short list. Bosa is on it, he's a guy you can build a defense around. There might also be some excellent MLB'ers worthy of the high pick.
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You fucked up if you think Paxton will step in day 1 and be that.
Bosa's game (to be) compares favorably to Michael Bennett (of Seattle)
He'll be your 5tech on early downs because he has the speed to still turn the corner, but he'll slide to a 3spot on passing downs and wreak hell on guards.
Nobody said he will step in on day one. That doesn't mean the Browns still don't need a
franchise QB. Add Bosa to this team and he could be a star.BUT that begs the point that
you still need a franchise QB. Bosa MAY help you win a game or so but a franchise QB
lifts the entire team.Put Bosa,Bennett,JJ Watt on the Patriots and take away Brady.Are you
better off??? The Browns STILL need a QB be it Paxton or whomever. You are never going
to win consistently without at LEAST an above average QB and we don't have one.And I have
no clue whether it is Paxton,Connor Cook, Goff,or whomever but if it determined one of these
guys can be a franchise guy you must take him over Bosa.
Nobody said he will step in on day one. That doesn't mean the Browns still don't need a
franchise QB. Add Bosa to this team and he could be a star.BUT that begs the point that
you still need a franchise QB. Bosa MAY help you win a game or so but a franchise QB
lifts the entire team.Put Bosa,Bennett,JJ Watt on the Patriots and take away Brady.Are you
better off??? The Browns STILL need a QB be it Paxton or whomever. You are never going
to win consistently without at LEAST an above average QB and we don't have one.And I have
no clue whether it is Paxton,Connor Cook, Goff,or whomever but if it determined one of these
guys can be a franchise guy you must take him over Bosa.
So you agree that a franchise QB doesn't often step in from day one and start making the team better? Maybe they take a year or two to really get in to their groove and get adjusted to life in the NFL.
Gee, if only we'd drafted a QB in the first round last year that is now looking pretty decent, but maybe a little inconsistent and in need of game time. That would be great, we could maybe even make him the starter for the rest of the season so we can see if he's progressing as we expect, and then see where we stand.
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