Draft thread
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So I just watched JJ Watts highlight from the OH St game, and it's impressive although Wisconsin in general beat the crap out of OH St. But what I said about Bosa's game vs Watts game "at this stage in their career holds'. Watt was uphill all game. Let a lot of runs go up inside of him cause he was doing what he did best, swim upfield and try to make the play high. His technique just isn't as good as Bosa's at that point. Bosa is way more fundamentally sound. Watt was a much purer pass rusher although his run stopping stats weren't bad. But when OSU ran right at him they handled him. Bosa holds up at the point better, i'm sorry that's just what I see when I watch both their tapes....although I've only watched the one game against OSU from Watt.
I don't want Bosa on the Browns cause he's a Buckeye, I don't give a fuck if he was a Wolverine. He just has fundamentals that if he keeps getting coached up he's going to be one of the greats. I don't know what you guys watched during the MSU game but I'm very sure I would have noticed a WR taking Bosa where he didn't want to go. I think one of the first plays of the game was a running play away from Bosa where he popped the tackle up, read the play and slid to his right and made the tackle on the other side of the line for maybe 1 yd gain if that.
The kids tackle stats speak for themselves. Are there other defensive players the Browns would do well to pick up? Of course, he's not the only guy for the Browns. But we'd be stupid to not take him if he's there when we pick. I like a WR like everybody else, I was honking on Watkins the other year, but our offense wasn't the biggest problem on this team by far. Taking a 3rd round DE/OLB isn't going to do shit for this defense.
So I just watched JJ Watts highlight from the OH St game, and it's impressive although Wisconsin in general beat the crap out of OH St. But what I said about Bosa's game vs Watts game "at this stage in their career holds'. Watt was uphill all game. Let a lot of runs go up inside of him cause he was doing what he did best, swim upfield and try to make the play high. His technique just isn't as good as Bosa's at that point. Bosa is way more fundamentally sound. Watt was a much purer pass rusher although his run stopping stats weren't bad. But when OSU ran right at him they handled him. Bosa holds up at the point better, i'm sorry that's just what I see when I watch both their tapes....although I've only watched the one game against OSU from Watt.
I don't want Bosa on the Browns cause he's a Buckeye, I don't give a fuck if he was a Wolverine. He just has fundamentals that if he keeps getting coached up he's going to be one of the greats. I don't know what you guys watched during the MSU game but I'm very sure I would have noticed a WR taking Bosa where he didn't want to go. I think one of the first plays of the game was a running play away from Bosa where he popped the tackle up, read the play and slid to his right and made the tackle on the other side of the line for maybe 1 yd gain if that.
The kids tackle stats speak for themselves. Are there other defensive players the Browns would do well to pick up? Of course, he's not the only guy for the Browns. But we'd be stupid to not take him if he's there when we pick. I like a WR like everybody else, I was honking on Watkins the other year, but our offense wasn't the biggest problem on this team by far. Taking a 3rd round DE/OLB isn't going to do shit for this defense.
Valid points/good observations but try to read what people are saying to you about the Michigan State game and others Clev. Nobody thinks there's a talent issue with Bosa. Having said that, Gipper is showing where he is projected to be drafted by many sources so the ideal time for Bosa to validate the hype should have been the closest matchup he had to the type of talent he'll see on Sundays (Michigan State). What should have made his job even easier was the reality it was a terrible day to throw the football weather-wise on top of knowing how deep into the depth chart Sparty was going at the QB position. FWIW, #83 wasn't a WR isolated on him, he was a TE blocking down on Bosa giving the tackle the responsibility of sealing off the LBer, which he did. I'm thinking it was a fold block where 83 led and the tackle crossed behind him to seal off the first guy in the next tier (LB) but 83 stole 100% my attention. Doesn't matter they got A+ on the execution.
Many of us would rather be high 5ing you about Bosa than pointing out things they want you to see. Let's hope he has a huge day against Michigan! Last year against Penn State, Bosa came up huge when his team needed him most or there would have never been a National Championship Game to celebrate. That's the guy I want to see and set my expectations on.
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ah ok it was TE, nm then. My brain went on autopilot when I saw that number and was like no fucking way a wr handled Bosa. I guess I need to see a replay of the MSU game to see what you guys are talking about. I mostly watch the line when I watch OSU games and while I didn't see Bosa having a career day, I thought I was seing the usual #97 chasing the ballcarrier from the opposite side of the field...and still often making the tackle or being in on it.
I see your point about it being the MSU game why not sell out, but what it would it do for him if he had a great game right up until the time he got a draft lowering injury? The NFL wouldn't care in the slightest what he did the prior years, nobody would be taking him in the 1st round and it would cost him millions. I don't necessarily like that, but I understand. He's been coasting all season. He played his ass off last year and he got his championship. I'm frankly not expecting much from him for the Michigan game. OSU is done playing for the championship and likely won't make it to the Rose Bowl either, so it's focus on keeping healthy for the MI game and whatever dumb bowl the end up playing for than it's off to the NFL.
Would you do any different if millions were at stake?
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ah ok it was TE, nm then. My brain went on autopilot when I saw that number and was like no fucking way a wr handled Bosa. I guess I need to see a replay of the MSU game to see what you guys are talking about. I mostly watch the line when I watch OSU games and while I didn't see Bosa having a career day, I thought I was seing the usual #97 chasing the ballcarrier from the opposite side of the field...and still often making the tackle or being in on it.
I see your point about it being the MSU game why not sell out, but what it would it do for him if he had a great game right up until the time he got a draft lowering injury? The NFL wouldn't care in the slightest what he did the prior years, nobody would be taking him in the 1st round and it would cost him millions. I don't necessarily like that, but I understand. He's been coasting all season. He played his ass off last year and he got his championship. I'm frankly not expecting much from him for the Michigan game. OSU is done playing for the championship and likely won't make it to the Rose Bowl either, so it's focus on keeping healthy for the MI game and whatever dumb bowl the end up playing for than it's off to the NFL.
Would you do any different if millions were at stake?
ah ok it was TE, nm then. My brain went on autopilot when I saw that number and was like no fucking way a wr handled Bosa. I guess I need to see a replay of the MSU game to see what you guys are talking about. I mostly watch the line when I watch OSU games and while I didn't see Bosa having a career day, I thought I was seing the usual #97 chasing the ballcarrier from the opposite side of the field...and still often making the tackle or being in on it.
I see your point about it being the MSU game why not sell out, but what it would it do for him if he had a great game right up until the time he got a draft lowering injury? The NFL wouldn't care in the slightest what he did the prior years, nobody would be taking him in the 1st round and it would cost him millions. I don't necessarily like that, but I understand. He's been coasting all season. He played his ass off last year and he got his championship. I'm frankly not expecting much from him for the Michigan game. OSU is done playing for the championship and likely won't make it to the Rose Bowl either, so it's focus on keeping healthy for the MI game and whatever dumb bowl the end up playing for than it's off to the NFL.
Would you do any different if millions were at stake?
Michigan State is really well coached. They make some really good game day adjustments. If you rewatch the game, watch the second half.
IMO, the dynamic player that separated Ohio State from their 2 post season opponents last year was Zeke Elliott. His long runs for TDs were game changers and I would love to see him giving Cleveland the ability/luxury of scoring from anywhere on the field. Can imagine a 1-2 punch of Zeke and Duke?
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ah ok it was TE, nm then. My brain went on autopilot when I saw that number and was like no fucking way a wr handled Bosa. I guess I need to see a replay of the MSU game to see what you guys are talking about. I mostly watch the line when I watch OSU games and while I didn't see Bosa having a career day, I thought I was seing the usual #97 chasing the ballcarrier from the opposite side of the field...and still often making the tackle or being in on it.
I see your point about it being the MSU game why not sell out, but what it would it do for him if he had a great game right up until the time he got a draft lowering injury? The NFL wouldn't care in the slightest what he did the prior years, nobody would be taking him in the 1st round and it would cost him millions. I don't necessarily like that, but I understand. He's been coasting all season. He played his ass off last year and he got his championship. I'm frankly not expecting much from him for the Michigan game. OSU is done playing for the championship and likely won't make it to the Rose Bowl either, so it's focus on keeping healthy for the MI game and whatever dumb bowl the end up playing for than it's off to the NFL.
Would you do any different if millions were at stake?
Michigan State is really well coached. They make some really good game day adjustments. If you rewatch the game, watch the second half.
IMO, the dynamic player that separated Ohio State from their 2 post season opponents last year was Zeke Elliott. His long runs for TDs were game changers and I would love to see him giving Cleveland the ability/luxury of scoring from anywhere on the field. Can imagine a 1-2 punch of Zeke and Duke?
Spot on here...not only was he the man that carried the team last year once Cardale (I can't hit a receiver in stride) Jones had to start. He pretty much carried the team this whole damn year with his 2nd half running and your only going to give him the ball twice in the 2nd half against MSU.Michigan State is really well coached. They make some really good game day adjustments. If you rewatch the game, watch the second half.
IMO, the dynamic player that separated Ohio State from their 2 post season opponents last year was Zeke Elliott. His long runs for TDs were game changers and I would love to see him giving Cleveland the ability/luxury of scoring from anywhere on the field. Can imagine a 1-2 punch of Zeke and Duke?
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ah ok it was TE, nm then. My brain went on autopilot when I saw that number and was like no fucking way a wr handled Bosa. I guess I need to see a replay of the MSU game to see what you guys are talking about. I mostly watch the line when I watch OSU games and while I didn't see Bosa having a career day, I thought I was seing the usual #97 chasing the ballcarrier from the opposite side of the field...and still often making the tackle or being in on it.
I see your point about it being the MSU game why not sell out, but what it would it do for him if he had a great game right up until the time he got a draft lowering injury? The NFL wouldn't care in the slightest what he did the prior years, nobody would be taking him in the 1st round and it would cost him millions. I don't necessarily like that, but I understand. He's been coasting all season. He played his ass off last year and he got his championship. I'm frankly not expecting much from him for the Michigan game. OSU is done playing for the championship and likely won't make it to the Rose Bowl either, so it's focus on keeping healthy for the MI game and whatever dumb bowl the end up playing for than it's off to the NFL.
Would you do any different if millions were at stake?
Michigan State is really well coached. They make some really good game day adjustments. If you rewatch the game, watch the second half.
IMO, the dynamic player that separated Ohio State from their 2 post season opponents last year was Zeke Elliott. His long runs for TDs were game changers and I would love to see him giving Cleveland the ability/luxury of scoring from anywhere on the field. Can imagine a 1-2 punch of Zeke and Duke?
Can imagine a 1-2 punch of Zeke and Duke?
Oh I love zeke, he's another 5 tool guy. Imo he's a way better prospect than Henry. "IF" we could somehow get Dallas to take johnny off our hands for their #1, maybe throw in some other player, I would love to see us take Bosa and Zeke. I know that looks like some major OSU homer pie on the surface, but I'd want those two guys no matter where they played.
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Can imagine a 1-2 punch of Zeke and Duke?
Oh I love zeke, he's another 5 tool guy. Imo he's a way better prospect than Henry. "IF" we could somehow get Dallas to take johnny off our hands for their #1, maybe throw in some other player, I would love to see us take Bosa and Zeke. I know that looks like some major OSU homer pie on the surface, but I'd want those two guys no matter where they played.
Oh I love zeke, he's another 5 tool guy. Imo he's a way better prospect than Henry. "IF" we could somehow get Dallas to take johnny off our hands for their #1, maybe throw in some other player, I would love to see us take Bosa and Zeke. I know that looks like some major OSU homer pie on the surface, but I'd want those two guys no matter where they played.
Jerrah Jones is gonna have to go qb shopping come 2016. Doesn't surprise me (watched the game & the way he was holding his arm was telling) Romo is done for the year with a busted collarbone- again. Don't know if him or Bradford take the China Doll award.
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Romo is 35, if Bradford hangs around as a starter until he's 35 I'll buy ice cream for everyone.
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Can imagine a 1-2 punch of Zeke and Duke?
Oh I love zeke, he's another 5 tool guy. Imo he's a way better prospect than Henry. "IF" we could somehow get Dallas to take johnny off our hands for their #1, maybe throw in some other player, I would love to see us take Bosa and Zeke. I know that looks like some major OSU homer pie on the surface, but I'd want those two guys no matter where they played.
Oh I love zeke, he's another 5 tool guy. Imo he's a way better prospect than Henry. "IF" we could somehow get Dallas to take johnny off our hands for their #1, maybe throw in some other player, I would love to see us take Bosa and Zeke. I know that looks like some major OSU homer pie on the surface, but I'd want those two guys no matter where they played.
Jerry is willing to employ a brand new cast for the Longest Yard (Hardy & Dez) so I can see him ponying up a trade for Manziel especially since he wanted him in the first place.
There's a lot of people in your corner about Bosa and many aren't even Ohio State fans fwiw. Some of us are just coming at it from a different angle and trying to show you why we're hesitant/reluctant. Since 99, we've seen first round picks like Courtney Brown, Gerrard Warren, and Phil Taylor never play up to the promise of what their talent projected. Even before injuries compounded situations - what was holding sic em hostage? Inner chest especially when 2 of them always reported to camp out of shape. When we gave up a chance to draft the talent and work ethic of Julio Jones - I didn't want to hear any excuses about Taylor. There were times he showed promise but a team like us can't afford another first round investment that is satisfied with all football in the rear view mirror after the signing bonus. It's up to our scouts to research the work ethics we're betting on moving forward.
I don't think there was any lack of effort vrs Michigan State last week. The miserable weather favored Michigan State in the sense of how much it handcuffed the sense of balance Ohio State is capable of. It also looked like Michigan State's staff did a better job of identifying vulnerabilities and exploiting them while the game was in progress, which is high praise considering how infrequently that can be said vrs Urban Meyer's staffs.
As with any prospect, their fate is in the hands of who drafts them. Tampa used to be willing to let their entire fan base think guys like Steve Young and Vinny Testaverde were evil gypsies that just wanted to rob their payroll/salary cap. Their next teams knew what to surround them with so success was inevitable. The coaching staffs also knew how to tap their strengths. What if a guy like Rich Kotite drafted Montana or the New Orleans staff that once wasted Archie Manning? That story could have played out way different. Where I'm going with this is would our current defensive staff tap Bosa's assets out in our 5 technique? Truth is - we don't even have a good read on what a promising prospect like Xavier Cooper offers us in this fire drill in a chicken coop.
After round 1 - I like Canton Mike's idea of upgrading our play making ability on the perimeter with Braxton Miller. Now I'm sounding like the OSU homer but I think this guy can be everything Jarvis Landry is and more. Similar build, hands and big play ability. As much as I want more size outside - this is a pretty good exception to that rule (he still outweighs Gabriel by about 20-25 lbs).
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Oh I love zeke, he's another 5 tool guy. Imo he's a way better prospect than Henry. "IF" we could somehow get Dallas to take johnny off our hands for their #1, maybe throw in some other player, I would love to see us take Bosa and Zeke. I know that looks like some major OSU homer pie on the surface, but I'd want those two guys no matter where they played.
Jerrah Jones is gonna have to go qb shopping come 2016. Doesn't surprise me (watched the game & the way he was holding his arm was telling) Romo is done for the year with a busted collarbone- again. Don't know if him or Bradford take the China Doll award.
Jerrah Jones is gonna have to go qb shopping come 2016. Doesn't surprise me (watched the game & the way he was holding his arm was telling) Romo is done for the year with a busted collarbone- again. Don't know if him or Bradford take the China Doll award.
That's gotta feel real good in the palace knowing the recent contract extensions/raises to Dez Bryant and Tony Romo are paying for all the football behind them. Thatta boy Jerry. We have the perfect WR for you - Dwayne Bowe has 3 receptions at the exchange value of over 9 million $.
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DeForest Buckner would be my choice over Bosa. PFF ranks him number 1 in all of college football
I've watched all but one of the Duck's games and this guy just pops off the screen. He is the best 5-Tech in the draft.
DeForest Buckner would be my choice over Bosa. PFF ranks him number 1 in all of college football
I've watched all but one of the Duck's games and this guy just pops off the screen. He is the best 5-Tech in the draft.
I gotta start watching some Pac 12 football this year so I can at least have some degree of familiarity with the names we'll be talking about in the off-season.. Thanks for the heads-up!
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Does Moody Bible College have a football team? Maybe coach would like their quarterback?
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Does Moody Bible College have a football team? Maybe coach would like their quarterback?
WSS
Does Moody Bible College have a football team? Maybe coach would like their quarterback?
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Steve, ya never know about those small school qbs. Augustana, Delaware State.
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Does Moody Bible College have a football team? Maybe coach would like their quarterback?
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Steve, ya never know about those small school qbs. Augustana, Delaware State.
I'll let you guess- a couple of guys who played in Super Bowls.
Dude I'm not talking about a small school I'm talking about a Bible College.Steve, ya never know about those small school qbs. Augustana, Delaware State.
I'll let you guess- a couple of guys who played in Super Bowls. Maybe the coach's moral sensibilities wouldn't be offended by somebody from Tibet state...
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Maybe "the coach" would settle for a QB willing to put his hand on a Bible when telling him something...
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well Paxton Lynch is currently 9/14, 222 yards and 7 TD, 0 INT in the first half...
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Maybe "the coach" would settle for a QB willing to put his hand on a Bible when telling him something...
Maybe "the coach" would settle for a QB willing to put his hand on a Bible when telling him something...
Already said that insubordination is a valid reason for punishment. The rest is bullshit.
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Bosa's having a good game against Michigan. He is so disruptive. When he's not in there Rudock has at least 2 extra seeconds to throw the ball. Its amazing the pressure he generates even when it doesn't look like he's doing much except ripping to the inside. He had another play the exemplifies why I want him in the 1st half....he fires out into the tackle, reads the play and just discards his blocker. He didn't get the sack buy he got his hand on Rudocks arm or something and caused it to come out funny. It's that football brain on him that has me high on him.
I'll have to look at tape of Buckner, i've heard the name. Thing is, I don't see Bosa as a fulltime 5 tech. I think it's a waste of his talent. I see him as a 4-3 DE or a real Jack 3-4 OLB'er where they drop him into zone only. Kind of how they 'should" be using Kruger. If you have Bosa on one side you need to have a Mingo type weak side OLB'er on the other side. But frankly because of the rest of the talent on our team, I don't want to see the 3-4 much next year. I'd rather have Monty and Bosa as our starting edges. We obviously could still run a 3-4, cycling between Bosa and Des as the 5 techs, and Mingo/Orchard as the OLB'ers. But i woudl rather see the 4-3 next year if we draft Bosa.
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The play Bosa had where he crunched the QB was against their starting LT.. UM ran an unbalanced line and shifted their starting LT over to 1:1 against Bosa, and Bosa destroyed him.
In addition to Bosa, the other thing that would be like a draft pick in terms of production.. change the D coordinator / stop the 2-gap nonsense. Just about the only thing less useful is a prevent.
Naturally, the base defense for the 2015 Browns appears to be a 2-gap prevent.
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I agree on the 2 gap horseshit.
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